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« Reply #24 on: Feb 2nd, 2012, 3:42pm »

on Feb 2nd, 2012, 3:21pm, HAL9000 wrote:
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Worth a look at his wiki entry.

Here is a excerpt from a link.

...Founded in 2008 by Nick Cook, a long-time senior editor for Jane’s Defence Weekly, Dynamixx was responsible for the 2008 ‘EnviroSec’08’ workshop, which posed the question of ADS involvement in energy and environmental markets for the first time, and the E2DS’09 and E2DS’11 international conferences, which examined practical ways for the ADS industry to provide technology solutions to these markets.

A use for that good old alien technology ?

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Very useful indeed. Thanks for the info HAL. Cook left a paper trail for the lazy researcher such as myself. I've grabbed a few of the documents he mentioned. Most notably a document he from 1956 entitled "electrogravitic Sytems, an examination of electrostatic motion, dynamic counterbary and barycentric control" .
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 2nd, 2012, 3:53pm »

Leon,

I'm just about to order his book on zero point energy.
Got to be worth a read.

Maybe he'll explain how to get two plates closer together than the wavelength of light without them touching.

Doubt it.

Was it Cook that interviewed the guy who had an electro-static levitation device in his garage ?

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« Reply #26 on: Feb 2nd, 2012, 4:27pm »

on Feb 2nd, 2012, 3:53pm, HAL9000 wrote:
Leon,

I'm just about to order his book on zero point energy.
Got to be worth a read.

Maybe he'll explain how to get two plates closer together than the wavelength of light without them touching.

Doubt it.

Was it Cook that interviewed the guy who had an electro-static levitation device in his garage ?

HAL


The guy your referring to is Boyd Bushman. Its interesting Cook did talk to him and its mentioned in the book, but the interviews you see online with Bushman are a not with Cook and have a much different experience from what Cook mentions in the books. I'll let you read it to find out what I mean but the contrast is kind of interesting.
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« Reply #27 on: Feb 3rd, 2012, 2:05pm »

Leon,

Thanks for the heads up.

I'll let you know what conclusions I come to when I get the book.

HAL
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« Reply #28 on: Feb 3rd, 2012, 2:15pm »

Leon,

Just done a quick check on Boyd Bushman.

I don't think this is the same guy.

He seems to be expounding some kind of electromagnetic repulsion scheme.

The thing I'm on about is electrostatic and utilises very high voltages.

I'll take another look at the recording I have and try to get a name. If I can find the dvd.

HAL
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« Reply #29 on: Feb 3rd, 2012, 4:20pm »

on Feb 3rd, 2012, 2:15pm, HAL9000 wrote:
Leon,

Just done a quick check on Boyd Bushman.

I don't think this is the same guy.

He seems to be expounding some kind of electromagnetic repulsion scheme.

The thing I'm on about is electrostatic and utilises very high voltages.

I'll take another look at the recording I have and try to get a name. If I can find the dvd.

HAL


hmm I'm not sure HAL. Could have been John Hutchinson with his Hutchinson effect. If you find out let me know.
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« Reply #30 on: Feb 6th, 2012, 09:19am »

Leon,

It was Tim Ventura from Seattle.

It comes almost at the end of Nick Cook's 'ufos; the secret evidence.

If you google him (tim) there seems to be quite a lot there. Haven't checked it out myself yet.

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« Reply #31 on: Feb 6th, 2012, 2:19pm »

on Feb 6th, 2012, 09:19am, HAL9000 wrote:
Leon,

It was Tim Ventura from Seattle.

It comes almost at the end of Nick Cook's 'ufos; the secret evidence.

If you google him (tim) there seems to be quite a lot there. Haven't checked it out myself yet.

HAL


Never heard of this guy definitely going to check him out. Happy hunting Hal.
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« Reply #32 on: Feb 13th, 2012, 10:03am »

Leon,

So I read the book.

And I'm massively disappointed.

It is entitled 'the Hunt for Zero Point, but hardly mentions the zero point theory at all.
Just a long (and interesting) compilation of nazi war projects and his theory on how they all tie together. And he may be right, but it doesn't match the title.
His use of an X-File type Deep Throat figure I find annoying.

But, to me. far worst is the huge cock-up he makes on pages 390 - 391.

Look it up and see if you agree that he seems to be off with people who are in the land of fantasy. It's the bit about Hutchinson.

Mind you, Cook blew it for me when he made a total b*****x of the ufo sighting he uses at the start of his film.

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« Reply #33 on: Feb 23rd, 2012, 12:57pm »

on Feb 13th, 2012, 10:03am, HAL9000 wrote:
Leon,

So I read the book.

And I'm massively disappointed.

It is entitled 'the Hunt for Zero Point, but hardly mentions the zero point theory at all.
Just a long (and interesting) compilation of nazi war projects and his theory on how they all tie together. And he may be right, but it doesn't match the title.
His use of an X-File type Deep Throat figure I find annoying.

But, to me. far worst is the huge cock-up he makes on pages 390 - 391.

Look it up and see if you agree that he seems to be off with people who are in the land of fantasy. It's the bit about Hutchinson.

Mind you, Cook blew it for me when he made a total b*****x of the ufo sighting he uses at the start of his film.

HAL


HAL I'm sorry you were disappointed. A book is open to interpretation like anything else. I personally enjoyed the investigating he did. Especially all the traveling he did and digging through old archives. But to each there own. I would have never known about Verner von Brown and his work had I not read this book.
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« Reply #34 on: Feb 22nd, 2013, 10:33am »

The most recently released NASA document that references Kecksburg is very straightforward: "The people of Kecksburg want to know what fell from the sky." That comment (paraphrased, as I'm not looking at the document right now) is simply referenced back to "Kosmos 96." A basic description of K-96's short life in space appears very close to the beginning of the document. The document itself summarizes fallen rocket and space debris that NASA was either made aware of, or, which they assisted in retrieving during the period 1965 - 1969.

Now, we have a government document here that can be further investigated. In order to ascertain the veracity of the Kecksburg / Kosmos 96 connection, we would require a party with standing to enter the US federal court system. (This would have to be a Russian person with some level of governmental authority, or, the Russian government itself at some level.) You and I lack "standing" to even ask the court anything about Russian property, so don't waste your money filing any lawsuits. Any-hoo, with standing, one offers the document to a federal court, and makes a request for return of the debris to their rightful owner (in Russia). Whilst the courts never enjoy dealing with the US Government, a reasonable judge would at least feel some pressure to say to NASA: "well, you seem to be saying that Kecksburg = Kosmos 96 debris. How did you get to that conclusion?" At that point, you at least have a shot at turning-up additional documents and gaining some testimony through the process of discovery. A persistent squirrel might even get to the acorn itself.

Failing the above, and not withstanding the chitter-chat returned from decades long past, Kecksburg must forever remain a mystery, albeit one that may have had a contemporaneous solution and conclusion that, while quite real, doesn't match-up with all the eye-witness commentary. Lastly, I note that real events, mundane and terrestrial, rarely match-up with all of what is described by witnesses; at least in cases where those witnesses appear to us in numbers greater than one.
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« Reply #35 on: Feb 22nd, 2013, 3:54pm »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kecksburg_UFO_incident

The Cosmos 96 satellite does have a bell shape.
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« Reply #36 on: Feb 23rd, 2013, 10:10am »

The outside of the Kosmos 96 nosecone assembly is (was) tapered at the top. The satellite itself (inside the heat shield and nosecone) is shaped quite differently. Be careful about "witness" commentary: the Wiki article also mentions that several individuals reported to have "chipped" pieces off of the object. None of the supposed UFO debris ever found has ever been described as brittle enough to be broken easily. Mabel Mazza describes seeing one of the (un-confiscated) photographs of the object, and stated that the object was "a cone shaped thing." While that description is somewhat lacking (to say the least), it basically describes the top of every rocket launched from earth by humans.

Lastly (for now); the US government / military response would be very similar for an unknown vehicle or a Soviet vehicle. Except, since the Soviets would want their property back (and would be entitled to it), keeping anyone from knowing what we had would be quite important. Heat shield technology was, in 1965, evolving. Dearly we would have loved to do some analysis on a nosecone that was designed to enter the atmosphere of Venus. All I'm saying is; we don't know diddly in this case, and, the more time that goes by, the diddlier that knowledge gets. With all the "real" extraterrestrial events happening all the damned time, I prefer to work closer to the present. I have been within 50 yards of a "flying saucer," but, beyond contemporaneous reports to friends and a careful write-up for the preservation of detailed memories, I post nothing of substance about the event on the internet. Putting the whole matter in the public domain won't help either of us get any farther down the road we are traveling, anymore than rehashing stories that were old when we were young.

And, if my commentary here makes anyone unhappy, check out what I wrote about the Roswell matter (somewhere in the UFO Crashes section). Finding out what is real in the larger context is much more important than hooking one's train to any specific moment in the now long ago, and attempting to use it as an engine to bring us up-to-date.
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« Reply #37 on: Feb 23rd, 2013, 10:58am »

Email me if you are going to be in the Chicago, illinois area. ...Not really Jack Nicklaus (there's a shocker!), but good at keeping the orb in play. Do check out my comment on Roswell. And, don't come to these parts expecting to see anything cool in the skies. We are on a permanent UFO observation level of "as X approaches zero."

When I stand outside at night for a final smoke, or just one last scan of the sky, I have always fought this terrible, visceral fear. The only thing I have ever truly feared in my adult life is coming face-to-face with "an alien." But, it's not the alien I fear, it's the people. I can't bare the thought of seeing something that can never be discussed in public, and which would throw me into endless counseling that I cannot afford. On the other hand, a good show from some glowing, non golf-related orbs; that I would enjoy quite a bit. To quote Kelly Bundy: "The mind, it wobbles."
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« Reply #38 on: Feb 23rd, 2013, 4:47pm »

on Feb 23rd, 2013, 10:58am, JackNicklaus wrote:
Email me if you are going to be in the Chicago, illinois area. ...Not really Jack Nicklaus (there's a shocker!), but good at keeping the orb in play. Do check out my comment on Roswell. And, don't come to these parts expecting to see anything cool in the skies. We are on a permanent UFO observation level of "as X approaches zero."

When I stand outside at night for a final smoke, or just one last scan of the sky, I have always fought this terrible, visceral fear. The only thing I have ever truly feared in my adult life is coming face-to-face with "an alien." But, it's not the alien I fear, it's the people. I can't bare the thought of seeing something that can never be discussed in public, and which would throw me into endless counseling that I cannot afford. On the other hand, a good show from some glowing, non golf-related orbs; that I would enjoy quite a bit. To quote Kelly Bundy: "The mind, it wobbles."


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