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question Re: Casselberry Florida UFO crash July 4,2004
« Reply #60 on: Apr 9th, 2013, 11:03am »

What also happens when clouds boom.....lightening
Minor point..I believe its the other way around wink
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« Reply #61 on: Apr 9th, 2013, 12:10pm »

on Apr 9th, 2013, 12:56am, wmsm wrote:
Therefore isn't it obvious that if NASA is conducting atmospheric sound testing for data for plasma technology that they themselves are causing us to be attacked?


Of course! Only a fool would argue with that line of reasoning. wink
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question Re: Casselberry Florida UFO crash July 4,2004
« Reply #62 on: Apr 9th, 2013, 2:56pm »

Hi, all -

I continue to seek witnesses and interested parties who would be willing to share their experiences and insights with me concerning the Casselberry, Florida incident. Confidentiality will be respected. I may be contacted, should individuals prefer privacy, through my profiles located on my web pages linked in my signature.

It has been established at this point, via a local news archive and a copy of a police report, that numerous residents were quite alarmed by a flash and boom, for lack of better terms. Many of those residents most certainly did not interpret the phenomena to be indicative of lightning and thunder. It should be added, however, that weather logs obtained indicate large amounts of rain and thundershowers occurring during the time in question.

Requests were made via the Freedom of Information Act to several agencies, including the US Air Force and NASA. Nothing of interest has been obtained, including from the FAA, who was asked. I will add, however, that I was a bit annoyed with NASA, who directed my inquiry to the Air Force and would not address what I felt should have been a reasonably simple line of inquiry: whether or not they had personnel in the area. It should be emphasized that does not necessarily indicate a conspiracy, it just means that a NASA FOIA officer sent me to the Air Force and did not feel like running down personnel logs, etc., for whatever reasons.

It is not difficult to obtain anecdotal witness accounts, as contained in this thread, of what could be interpreted as UFO-related experiences in years past in Casselberry. I do not claim to be qualified to declare what that indicates, but I thought some of you might find it of interest.

However... I have yet to interact directly with anyone who claims to have observed any fireball-like object crashing or falling to earth on the 4th. Neither have I interacted directly with a single individual who claims to have seen alleged NASA or official personnel in the days following the incident, as was claimed in several online reports. All accounts I have obtained of such circumstances (fireballs and NASA personnel) are attributed to third parties.

It should additionally be noted that I have yet to obtain any photos or video of the July 4, 2004 event. I have not encountered anyone with any such photos or footage _and_ that is willing to discuss details – for whatever reasons.

Some of you might find this interesting...

There is a photo of an alleged fireball, meteor, alien craft or whatever associated with a report filed with NUFORC. It was apparently taken by a dashboard cam and can be viewed in reply #4 of this thread, a post in which DrDil helpfully informed us of some of the reports filed.

Turns out, the photo is apparently from a meteor falling in Texas on July 7, 2004, _not_ from Florida as apparently suggested/claimed. It is not even from the Casselberry incident, it strongly appears:

http://web.archive.org/web/20081219195352/http://www.clickorlando.com/news/3505819/detail.html

The incident linked above involved a meteor viewed in several states in the southern US, three days after the Casselberry incident. Again, I do not claim qualified to state how relevant that might be, but it seems worthy of mention.

For the record, Peter Davenport, director of NUFORC, has been very helpful. Conversely, multiple key members of MUFON were repeatedly emailed and asked for assistance, none of which replied.

Given the lack of direct witnesses of the more fantastic claims that grew out of the event, I would still very much like to correspond with and/or meet individuals who, on July 4, 2004 in the vicinity of Casselberry, claim directly to a) have seen a fire-encased falling/flying object, b) have related photos or video they are willing to have reasonably scrutinized, and/or c) have seen official personnel in the area in the days following the incident.

I am still working on a couple angles and leads, and I will post details in full when I feel reasonably satisfied with it all. It strongly appears to me that we have an incident in which something took place, whatever it may have been and including possibly rather incredible weather/lightning phenomena. Subsequently, as is all too often the case in such circumstances, extreme beliefs – both overly accepting of alleged spacecraft _and_ stubbornly resistant to unexplained phenomena – jockey for position.

Regardless of what the Casselberry case may or may not ultimately offer us about unexplained phenomena, it indeed offers those willing an opportunity to dissect when, where and how investigations of such events spiral out of control. It is not an old case, and in the time line of ufology, it relatively just happened. That provides us opportunities to take good, hard looks at a number of dynamics of a UFO case, including such aspects as if it was ever actually a UFO case at all.

Maybe, maybe not.

Got a story to tell? Let me hear from you.

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question Re: Casselberry Florida UFO crash July 4,2004
« Reply #63 on: Apr 9th, 2013, 7:01pm »

I think... if you are from the area, and you remember this happening but you yourself didn't see a fireball or any of these NASA officials (or any other kind of official), maybe if you remember someone who DID, you might get them to correspond with jjflash. I'm sure you would want this case to move forward, and maybe that's what it's going to take.

I assume it's harder for a reporter to canvas a broad area for information. I mean, fliers around the neighborhood, knocking on doors, putting an ad in local rags can all help, but that's only going to get you so far. Especially now that the case is 8 and half years old. That means, those of you who remember and were in the area, you have more leverage here to find something out. We do have the one video. True, I don't think the video is compelling, but as jjflash mentioned, you have to hold out against falling for one extreme or the other. Add it to whatever body of evidence is being collected. Hopefully, more can be unearthed.
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« Reply #64 on: Apr 9th, 2013, 7:22pm »

DJbuckhead seems to have moved to san antonio texas by 2007. I believe he initiated the area cordoned off and ordered to move away, confiscation of phone by a man with a red suitcase. story lol. He was also notorious for wild pranks typical shock Jock.
If you google snopes and cassalberry you'll get some "witness" comments..But its adlacent to Orlando..no one heard anything. At the times posted it was still daylight ..till 900pm . There is an airbase nearby, and considering the prevalance of cam phones even then..I am surprised no one took a picture or has a craft part meteor part..A meteor did hit July 7 but thats all on the record already.
Still some interesting reads..and occasional hyperbole.
You can get transcripts of 911 calls that nite for a nominal charge I am sure, as I have when vetting witness statements.

I recommend you use altavista.com as google is atrocious for anything related to military crashes etc....lots of deflection and misdirects.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=106;t=000697


http://74.6.238.252/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=casselberry+fl+events++uly%2C+4%2C+2004&fr=altavista&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=casselberry+fl+events+uly%2c+4%2c+2004&d=4632806113152629&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=vN0P5--A_Lo6wfktL6qI2YS3ZD12Epm3&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=PkOZiatBi8ZOJ1gSkBmSCA--

good luck in your search.
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« Reply #65 on: Apr 10th, 2013, 10:25pm »

Hi jjflash/Jack,

Wanted to say thanks for the invitation to discuss our sighting on Dog Track Rd in the past. My report is on this thread of the UFO and not only did we see it we heard it. Just thought I'd mention it when coincidence of what ever hit the ground in "04" ..... interesting story of "04" no matter what it was.

However, you should be careful what you call anecdotal whether you directed that at me or the entire July 4th 2004 evening. I didn't take offense because "truth" wins over any opinion. Multiple witnesses in any event holds great weight. But some people in society like to argue that for their own reasons.

As far as facts go like in any investigation multiple witnesses lead to collaborating stories that usually can not be dismissed which can then lead to an evidence trail turning up later down the road. Sometimes all it takes is one good witness and years, but it can happen.

Unfortunately though, there are those that have posted on the other threads of this site that do not by any means agree with this line of reasoning. They seem to dismiss multiple witnesses and etc. and deem them irrelevant. Actually, the few posts I read made quite ill....( in a funny way) ....the spins that were being dealt on the way folks report what they witness. A lot of needless rhetoric. Although not all postings were negative.

I know someone will shred apart my comments and that's expected. Nonetheless, there's absolutely no scientific evidence or opinions in God's Universe that will take away any truth what we without a doubt, clear as a bell in memory saw that night hovering.

Lastly, I am not going to fall into a debate class with you guys, just wanted to make these last remarks.
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« Reply #66 on: Apr 11th, 2013, 08:05am »

on Apr 10th, 2013, 10:25pm, Lynn07 wrote:
Hi jjflash/Jack,

Wanted to say thanks for the invitation to discuss our sighting on Dog Track Rd in the past. My report is on this thread of the UFO and not only did we see it we heard it. Just thought I'd mention it when coincidence of what ever hit the ground in "04" ..... interesting story of "04" no matter what it was.

However, you should be careful what you call anecdotal whether you directed that at me or the entire July 4th 2004 evening. I didn't take offense because "truth" wins over any opinion. Multiple witnesses in any event holds great weight. But some people in society like to argue that for their own reasons.

As far as facts go like in any investigation multiple witnesses lead to collaborating stories that usually can not be dismissed which can then lead to an evidence trail turning up later down the road. Sometimes all it takes is one good witness and years, but it can happen.

Unfortunately though, there are those that have posted on the other threads of this site that do not by any means agree with this line of reasoning. They seem to dismiss multiple witnesses and etc. and deem them irrelevant. Actually, the few posts I read made quite ill....( in a funny way) ....the spins that were being dealt on the way folks report what they witness. A lot of needless rhetoric. Although not all postings were negative.

I know someone will shred apart my comments and that's expected. Nonetheless, there's absolutely no scientific evidence or opinions in God's Universe that will take away any truth what we without a doubt, clear as a bell in memory saw that night hovering.

Lastly, I am not going to fall into a debate class with you guys, just wanted to make these last remarks.


i saw it and posted vid here
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« Reply #67 on: Apr 11th, 2013, 08:08am »

on Apr 11th, 2013, 08:05am, chettymo wrote:
i saw it and posted vid here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgsgDU_kw0M
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« Reply #68 on: Apr 11th, 2013, 2:33pm »

Hey, chettymo -

I viewed the video and read the accompanying info. If I am understanding correctly, you are asserting that:

- You personally filmed the video.

- The video was filmed on July 4, 2004 in or near Casselberry, Florida.

- You personally published the video on YouTube.

Is that correct?

If you would prefer to discuss the circumstances privately, hit me up through the links provided in my signature, please. If you would prefer to not address the questions or discuss it at all, that is of course your prerogative. Thank you.


@Lynn07 -

Thanks for your comments. In the event you are not aware of it, you might find the following photo of interest. I make no claims as to what it may or may not indicate. The archived photo, titled 'UFO,' was apparently taken by local photographer David O. Stillings, popularly known as Florida's Lightning Stalker, during July of 1980 at Lake Kathryn. For those scoring at home, that is in Casselberry at the corner of Hwy. 17/92 and Dog Track Rd., where Lynn07 experienced a sighting during the same general time frame, if I recall correctly from earlier in the thread. For what it may or may not be worth in the grand scheme:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080511220755/http://www.gographics.com/lightning/still106.htm
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« Reply #69 on: Apr 11th, 2013, 2:53pm »

on Apr 9th, 2013, 7:22pm, Sys_Config wrote:
DJbuckhead seems to have moved to san antonio texas by 2007. I believe he initiated the area cordoned off and ordered to move away, confiscation of phone by a man with a red suitcase. story lol. He was also notorious for wild pranks typical shock Jock.
If you google snopes and cassalberry you'll get some "witness" comments..But its adlacent to Orlando..no one heard anything. At the times posted it was still daylight ..till 900pm . There is an airbase nearby, and considering the prevalance of cam phones even then..I am surprised no one took a picture or has a craft part meteor part..A meteor did hit July 7 but thats all on the record already.
Still some interesting reads..and occasional hyperbole.
You can get transcripts of 911 calls that nite for a nominal charge I am sure, as I have when vetting witness statements.

I recommend you use altavista.com as google is atrocious for anything related to military crashes etc....lots of deflection and misdirects.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=106;t=000697


http://74.6.238.252/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=casselberry+fl+events++uly%2C+4%2C+2004&fr=altavista&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=casselberry+fl+events+uly%2c+4%2c+2004&d=4632806113152629&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=vN0P5--A_Lo6wfktL6qI2YS3ZD12Epm3&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=PkOZiatBi8ZOJ1gSkBmSCA--

good luck in your search.


its not buckedhead its bucket head.lol
you can find him hear
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Buckethead-Show/115690385153262?fref=ts
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« Reply #70 on: Apr 11th, 2013, 2:57pm »

on Apr 11th, 2013, 2:33pm, jjflash wrote:
Hey, chettymo -

I viewed the video and read the accompanying info. If I am understanding correctly, you are asserting that:

- You personally filmed the video.

- The video was filmed on July 4, 2004 in or near Casselberry, Florida.




- You personally published the video on YouTube.

Is that correct?

If you would prefer to discuss the circumstances privately, hit me up through the links provided in my signature, please. If you would prefer to not address the questions or discuss it at all, that is of course your prerogative. Thank you.


@Lynn07 -

Thanks for your comments. In the event you are not aware of it, you might find the following photo of interest. I make no claims as to what it may or may not indicate. The archived photo, titled 'UFO,' was apparently taken by local photographer David O. Stillings, popularly known as Florida's Lightning Stalker, during July of 1980 at Lake Kathryn. For those scoring at home, that is in Casselberry at the corner of Hwy. 17/92 and Dog Track Rd., where Lynn07 experienced a sighting during the same general time frame, if I recall correctly from earlier in the thread. For what it may or may not be worth in the grand scheme:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080511220755/http://www.gographics.com/lightning/still106.htm


yes david stillings used to bring his lightning photos into our school classrooms. back in the 80's. i met him a few times when i was 6 to 10 yrs old and his son went to my school.
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« Reply #71 on: Apr 12th, 2013, 06:32am »

i saw it and posted vid here
Posted by: chettymo

I think you might have misunderstood Lynn07 there. He/ She is referring to an entire different incident than the one you have recorded on your very interesting video. I believe what he/she is mentioning is something that happened almost 20 years prior (mentioned in a previous post what they and others saw back in the 80's) to your sighting but just happened to be in the same location. Not sure if you read back through the whole thread or not... just wanted to bring your attention to that in case you had missed it. His/ her story is quite interesting in relation.
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« Reply #72 on: Apr 15th, 2013, 9:17pm »

Hi OrionsReturn,

Was just peeking in to see if anyone was mentioning this Mock Hearing coming up in late April, and Bob Beckel's comment on "Fox" ....I was surprised to hear about what they are talking about. Then I saw your post. Thanks for bringing to attention that the video was from 2004 and not the sighting I had at Dog Track Road.

smiley Thanks again.
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« Reply #73 on: Apr 15th, 2013, 9:21pm »

jjflash/Jack,

Thanks, I looked at the photo and I see the blue hue in the upper right corner. Not sure what it could be, maybe a reflection from the lightening. Something in the clouds…one can only speculate, but surely isn’t obvious like the craft me and the other three witnesses saw that night in the mid 80’s. Nonetheless, it is a gorgeous photo.
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« Reply #74 on: Apr 21st, 2013, 10:40pm »

its not buckedhead its bucket head.lol
you can find him hear
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Buckethead-Show/115690385153262?fref=ts



Hi Chettymo,

I'm curious about something. Have you spoken to Bucket head in reference to this ordeal? I can't believe that someone wouldn't have tried to contact him yet. Or is he just not wanting to speak about it....or did he make up a fib about the whole thing.

You may not know the answer to this, but how did anyone find out he was even out there that day? Did he make that announcement on his radio show back then? Let me know if anyone is clear on this. Maybe I overlooked something.

Thanks smiley

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