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« Reply #90 on: Nov 23rd, 2011, 9:53pm »

on Nov 19th, 2011, 1:41pm, GForce wrote:
I try to remain objective on Roswell BECAUSE of the witnesses and the fact the government admits now to the cover-up. Although the cover-up is probably just another cover-up.

If ever alien bodies were found it was probably at Roswell. Notice I said if ever. I am certain of one thing and that is that it was a craft and not a balloon. So to the witnesses it was by definition a UFO. MOST of the witnesses IMO are credible! I still think it may have been one of our black projects but I don't rule out alien craft. Although I'm well on the fence...maybe behind it where recovered alien bodies are concerned. Some of the witnesses there are suspect IMO. That's the weaker argument.


Personally Dan? I think I'm going to swear off Roswell. In my opinion there's tons of evidence, albeit circumstantial, but neither side seems interested.

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« Reply #91 on: Nov 23rd, 2011, 10:08pm »

on Nov 17th, 2011, 10:50pm, pete4438 wrote:
Gentlemen, please accept my sincere apologies. I got it mixed up!
I was watching a science programme then switched to CSI New York. It was on CSI NY that I saw the metal!!
The CSI team investigated an apparent 'James Bond' type car used in a murder.
I now feel suitably embarrassed. embarassed embarassed embarassed


No problem. Darn remotes anyway. grin

Happens to all of us. Certain subjects just stick ....... and you can't get it out of there. One thing I would like to point out though, and I owe my time here at casebook for spotting this possibility, but I'd wondered about that one main picture for a long time. What that officer was posing with looks an awful lot like Mylar ...... which is prime balloon material.

One day not long back I was reading a post when it hit me. That freaking picture was staged! I don't know this for certain of course, but it certainly would make sense.

What wouldn't make sense is those locals being fooled by it. They saw those skyhook balloons all the time, and would surely have realized what that material was from. Just because they're hicks doesn't mean they were stupid.

Because of this it is now my opinion that what was in that picture was not the wreckage that was found on that ranch outside of Roswell that fateful day. How much additional misinformation the military fed into this red herring would be anybody's guess.

Just my $0.02 worth, but the Roswell story suddenly made far more sense to me once this occurred to me. The military is pretty tricky with their information plants. Why the plant now becomes the primary question, right?
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« Reply #92 on: Nov 23rd, 2011, 11:00pm »

on Nov 23rd, 2011, 9:53pm, icepick wrote:
Personally Dan? I think I'm going to swear off Roswell. In my opinion there's tons of evidence, albeit circumstantial, but neither side seems interested.

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Have you read Colonel Alexanders new book?
He actually knew Dr Teller and Teller told Alexander at a private dinner at home with some friends that if aliens had crashed there he definitely would have been called in...and he wasn't. Dr Teller was in the thick of cutting edge science with the govt at the time. Alexander said he did not think Dr Teller was lying.
I don't think Alexander is lying. So where does this leave us regarding Roswell's aliens?
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« Reply #93 on: Nov 24th, 2011, 03:07am »

Mehhh ..... right where both of us suspect most likely. Can't say the story really surprises me that much though, considering. I've been mulling this over a bit recently. The late 1940s was a pretty tense time. What with the alliance collapsing like that, the Berlin Airlift coming up, and I'm willing to bet you could see it coming. Had the Rosenbergs been arrested yet?

Anyway, the time was ripe for secrecy, suspicion, all sorts of things. My father said the vets felt betrayed when FDR died, because they knew only he could have set the UN up as advertised.

When you stop to think about it? I'm really surprised the strange story index for that period is so small. Just look at all the stuff from the 1960s. After Checkpoint Charlie then the Missile Crisis, things were finally settling down.

I guess I'm trying to say I'm surprised the story isn't wilder yet. I'm sure we both remember the late 1960s pressure cooker well, but that was a cakewalk compared to the late 1940s. Is this a feasible explanation for why this story is how it is? To be honest, it's a shot in the dark. Very little substance in the history books about the late 1940s. End result? People have always been very passionate about that period.

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« Reply #94 on: Nov 24th, 2011, 11:44am »

on Nov 24th, 2011, 03:07am, icepick wrote:
Mehhh ..... right where both of us suspect most likely. Can't say the story really surprises me that much though, considering. I've been mulling this over a bit recently. The late 1940s was a pretty tense time. What with the alliance collapsing like that, the Berlin Airlift coming up, and I'm willing to bet you could see it coming. Had the Rosenbergs been arrested yet?

Anyway, the time was ripe for secrecy, suspicion, all sorts of things. My father said the vets felt betrayed when FDR died, because they knew only he could have set the UN up as advertised.

When you stop to think about it? I'm really surprised the strange story index for that period is so small. Just look at all the stuff from the 1960s. After Checkpoint Charlie then the Missile Crisis, things were finally settling down.

I guess I'm trying to say I'm surprised the story isn't wilder yet. I'm sure we both remember the late 1960s pressure cooker well, but that was a cakewalk compared to the late 1940s. Is this a feasible explanation for why this story is how it is? To be honest, it's a shot in the dark. Very little substance in the history books about the late 1940s. End result? People have always been very passionate about that period.

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It leaves me thinking that Roswell was not aliens....probably.

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« Reply #95 on: Nov 24th, 2011, 6:10pm »

No, those are your convictions. Not to worry, I tend to agree.

But you've thought in depth on this subject enough to have developed some definite ideas. It shows. The initial urge here is to believe. That's why the story produced such an initial sensation back in the day. Further scrutiny is usually what leads to those convictions. I don't blame you for not delving into them here though. I'm just making an obvious observation. It's hard to discuss any issue which people are so passionate about.
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« Reply #96 on: Dec 13th, 2011, 10:14am »

I find the whole question of ufo crashes to be highly suspect. Why would aliens with access to technologies far in advance of our own not equip their space craft with devices that would prevent crashes - or provide parachutes for those who operate such craft?

There is much more to the 'crash scenario' than many would have you believe.

If anyone is interested they can read my take on this issue in an article I uploaded to UfoDigest.com.

Please follow the link:

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/belief-and-deception-playing-mind-games-reality-visitation

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« Reply #97 on: Dec 13th, 2011, 9:11pm »

on Dec 13th, 2011, 10:14am, peterxdunn wrote:
I find the whole question of ufo crashes to be highly suspect. Why would aliens with access to technologies far in advance of our own not equip their space craft with devices that would prevent crashes - or provide parachutes for those who operate such craft?

There is much more to the 'crash scenario' than many would have you believe.

If anyone is interested they can read my take on this issue in an article I uploaded to UfoDigest.com.

Please follow the link:

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/belief-and-deception-playing-mind-games-reality-visitation

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Hello Peter,
I also have a problem with thinking that very advanced aliens would crash their craft here after achieving interstellar flight...but it's possible.
But I also have a problem with thinking that aliens are intentionally deceiving us by faking crashes to test our reactions. Any sufficiently advanced race could easily monitor our broadcasts and internet media and learn all there is to know about us, including psychological make up , in a matter of days or weeks.
To me it seems far more likely that the crashes are myths that have turned into memes and have become a reality for those who accept the ETH and have ignored all other possibilities.
Just curious but have you read Dr Vallee regarding his control system hypothesis and the EDH?
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« Reply #98 on: Dec 14th, 2011, 06:03am »

Hi drwu23 - if you read my article (not just the post here) you will find that my main focus is the crashes/ufo events staged by our governments and their motives for staging them.

Also - our psychological make-up is adversely affected by the prefabricated mindsets that are manufactured for, and imposed upon us by religion and other systems of control. ET must first strip these away if he is to evaluate who we truly are.

I haven't read anything by Dr Vallee - perhaps you could provide a link to his/her material - so I could rectify this.

Thanks for your interest.

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« Reply #99 on: Dec 14th, 2011, 08:06am »

Hi Peter and welcome to UFOCB. Excellent article! You make some very interesting and IMO valid points.
If we are being tested by aliens, I don't think we're doing very well. Dan
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« Reply #100 on: Dec 14th, 2011, 08:18am »

Hi Dan

Many thanks for your comments and interest.

I completely agree - we are not giving ET a very good impression of ourselves. But this could change - once we stop believing the lies that politicians tell us in order to lead us into wars.

Have you checked out the thread I posted in this section? It relates to a pdf document that I uploaded here onto UfoCasebook. I would be grateful for any feedback that you might have on the subject matter covered.

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« Reply #101 on: Dec 14th, 2011, 11:29am »

on Dec 14th, 2011, 06:03am, peterxdunn wrote:
Hi drwu23 - if you read my article (not just the post here) you will find that my main focus is the crashes/ufo events staged by our governments and their motives for staging them.

Also - our psychological make-up is adversely affected by the prefabricated mindsets that are manufactured for, and imposed upon us by religion and other systems of control. ET must first strip these away if he is to evaluate who we truly are.

I haven't read anything by Dr Vallee - perhaps you could provide a link to his/her material - so I could rectify this.

Thanks for your interest.

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Speaking only for myself I still haven't heard any reasons why you think your experiences were ET.

As far as crashes being staged by the govt, that's always possible and you might find Dr Vallee's book Revelations interesting. His main ideas are found in Dimensions. BTW..I'm surprised you have not heard of him since he is considered by many to be one of the worlds foremost ufologists. He worked with Hynek for many years and was also the role model for the French scientist played by Truffaut in Spielberg's Close Encounters.
An interview that should give you an idea about his approach.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc839.htm

In his recent autobiographical book, Forbidden Science, Vallee summed up his views about the provenance of UFOs, a viewpoint that he's developed through decades of research: "The UFO Phenomenon exists. It has been with us throughout history. It is physical in nature and it remains unexplained in terms of contemporary science. It represents a level of consciousness that we have not yet recognized, and which is able to manipulate dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them." So much for anti-gravity-powered starships ferrying Big Brothers from outer space. Vallee thinks UFOs are likely "windows" to other dimensions manipulated by intelligent, often mischievous, always enigmatic beings we have yet to understand. (60 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time covers Vallee's theories in detail.)
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« Reply #102 on: Dec 14th, 2011, 1:31pm »

Hi drwu23

Thanks for the link.

As for the rest you obviously have a higher evidential threshold than I do. Or it might just be that you weren't there.

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« Reply #103 on: Dec 14th, 2011, 9:51pm »

When it comes to personal experience...abduction I have none. However my sister claims she was abducted and since I know her I've grown to understand it's hard to pass judgement on someone's personal experience claims. We all know it's hard to PROVE anything, especially something personal.

I tend to believe personal experiences until they're proven false. Sort of like being innocent until proven guilty in our court system. Of course we're all free to make our own minds up on claims. That's why I tend to believe the claims of those witnesses on Roswell. They may be wrong in what they saw but I think most are telling the truth as best they can. Dan

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« Reply #104 on: Dec 14th, 2011, 9:58pm »

on Dec 14th, 2011, 1:31pm, peterxdunn wrote:
Hi drwu23

Thanks for the link.

As for the rest you obviously have a higher evidential threshold than I do. Or it might just be that you weren't there.

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No we weren't there so can you talk a little about why you concluded your experience was with space aliens?
Did you see metallic craft or alien occupants? Or after looking at other explanations did you just decide it was the best option?
You seem reluctant to explain your position.
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