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xx How did a crop circle appear near to Stonehenge?
« Thread started on: Jul 9th, 2016, 10:46am »

No one seems to know how this crop circle appeared near Stonehenge.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2016/stonehenge/stonehenge2016a.html

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xx Re: How did a crop circle appear near to Stoneheng
« Reply #1 on: Jul 9th, 2016, 12:41pm »

Well....I would say it's dark at night and the people who have made crop circles are pretty damn good at it.




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xx Re: How did a crop circle appear near to Stoneheng
« Reply #2 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 4:49pm »

It's probably just my paranoia, but am I the only one that sees a star inside a crescent moon? An image I see far too often these days.
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xx Re: How did a crop circle appear near to Stoneheng
« Reply #3 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 4:53pm »

the day i see a crop circle without lines going through it will be the day i'll say: 'hmmm now that's interesting'
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xx Re: How did a crop circle appear near to Stoneheng
« Reply #4 on: Jul 11th, 2016, 11:08am »

on Jul 10th, 2016, 7:05pm, talingid wrote:
I once watched the video of a few men making a very plain looking crop circle, rendered in a clumsy fashion, during daylight. I have some doubts that the same techniques could be practical to create such a complicated design so precisely during pitch darkness before time runs out at sunrise. Perhaps the self-admitted circle hoaxers need to try this one while wearing blacked-out goggles so they can not see?




Not sure what video you saw but I followed this phenomenon for some time in the past and several groups have made elaborate circles at night and quickly relatively speaking.....you can find some of this info at various Crop Circle Makers websites.
I decided in the past these are the work of talented people....though I will say that 'some' over the years have been remarkable as to their complexity and design.

These people claim to have made many back in the day.....as another person here likes to say...you decide. cool
http://www.circlemakers.org/
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xx Re: How did a crop circle appear near to Stoneheng
« Reply #5 on: Jul 11th, 2016, 11:28am »

on Jul 10th, 2016, 7:05pm, talingid wrote:
If you mean the parallel lines running in the main picture from about 7 o'clock to 1 o'clock, I believe those are created by the farm machinery during planting. The paths of the wheels.


I wasn't questioning what they are
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 12th, 2016, 1:48pm »

on Jul 12th, 2016, 1:16pm, talingid wrote:
Ok. Then going back to your original comment, the www.cropcircleconnector.com site does have some lineless circles which you might call interesting. Though nearly all of the UK circles have lines, some of the circles found in other countries appear to be lineless. Must be different farming methods.

i've never seen a pic of a crop circle without lines or distorted pathways going to or through it... if you could show me one i'll be impressed.... i'm sure you know why i'd be impressed wink
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 13th, 2016, 11:15am »

^Regarding the comment above by notdej, I think he's right in that I don't recall seeing a crop cirlce in any field where there wasn't some kind of access points/lines for those that originally planted the crops. I'm not sure how one would plant crops without those methods.

For those reasons , access points and others, I have come to think that all crop formations are most likely the work of very talented artists/people.
Is it possible that some might be from another source? Yes....but I have yet to hear another valid option since I am doubtful of any 'alien' or 'inter-dimensional' hypothesis.
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xx Re: How did a crop circle appear near to Stoneheng
« Reply #8 on: Jul 13th, 2016, 2:53pm »

on Jul 13th, 2016, 12:53pm, talingid wrote:
Reading now about crop circles, there are two things mentioned about some circles which while not impossible for a hoaxer to do still leaves me wondering about why any hoaxer would want do them.

One being that collected soil evidence sometimes shows that the soil has been microwaved, The other being that for some circles degraded afterimages of the circle can be seen the next year and occasionally two years later.


hiya, tal....

Think about it & be honest to yourself:

if soil samples were proven without doubt to have been microwaved in a field; this is REAL evidence of something strange happening.

Science would be on it like a ton of bricks. But no, this hasn't happened because the staunch obsessed believers tell you this because they want you to believe also!

Crop circles are created by humans. Why would it be anything else!? IF they are supernatural then what's the point of creating them for the past 40+ years!?

As for the degraded afterimages> I've never heard of that before....

Peace.

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xx Re: How did a crop circle appear near to Stoneheng
« Reply #9 on: Jul 13th, 2016, 3:21pm »

You often hear/read the same thing about radiation at supposed UFO landing sites. Unfortunately the data comes into question as being unreliable, not verified or the characteristics are not really out of the ordinary. These finer details get skimmed over.

The part about after images does not really surprise me. If the crop is trampled on, deformed, etc. from the circle makers it will create a different harvesting process from the undisturbed areas. The flattened areas will not be cut the same and the regrowth could be different. Granted I don't know much about the harvesting process.

I found the comment by the land/crop owner on the original link interesting. These crop circle makers and people later visiting them are unwanted and damaging property.

My name is Philip Sawkill, the crop circle near Stonehenge is on my land. I appreciate that its location will arouse plenty of interest but could I ask you to put on your website that I don't really want hundreds of visitors walking thru the crop to inspect it.

However, I'm aware that the location is easily accessible from a byway and it would be impossible to attempt to stop everyone gaining access. So if your members really feel the need to enter the circle please could you ask them to respect my crop and only use a single track from the fence to the circle please?

Thanks very much Philip Sawkill West Amesbury Farms


Here's a link to a study (I use that term lightly) about effects observed on the plants at various stages of their growth.

http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php

Reading this study, at least to me, demonstrates the problem with this type of research(?). It's like presenting a scientific paper for peer review without supplying all the necessary backing information to objectively determine how valid it really is. The question I was left with was did this person really make a case that the most probable explanation was electromagnetic energy waves and not just plain old bending of the plants by some apparatus?
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xx Re: How did a crop circle appear near to Stoneheng
« Reply #10 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 12:59am »

I think you might like this better Tali
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-08/popsci-qampa-using-modern-tech-make-crop-circles
interview with a cc maker

The thing that really triggered it for me was that nobody, from the art world or the science world, was exploring how these people were able to produce these intricate patterns overnight. The old myth, that people were stomping on crops, was getting increasingly ridiculous, from my point of view. It seemed to be a great art-science crossover question, of what is going on?

PS: Why should people care about how these are made? Other than to prove or disprove aliens, of course.

RT: These crops, after they are turned into artwork, are harvested. So whatever is going on with those crops, they are getting in to our food supply. So people ought to know about it if there is some interesting technology involved.

Some people think it is aliens, you've got conspiracy theories about the goverment using satellites, and the third is you have human hoaxes. I thought, well let's take the evidence that people are using to say it's aliens or a government conspiracy. Why do they say that? They cite publications from the 1990s, where biophysicists went in and did research on the crops that appeared in the patterns. And they found evidence for microwave radiation.

The UFOlogists said those microwaves must be coming from alien spaceships, and the conspiracy theorists said, the CIA is beaming down these microwaves from their satellites. And I said, hey, there's another explanation here — maybe the artists are using microwaves.

PS: How would microwaves flatten crops?
RT: A typical crop has these sort of joints in the stalks. If you expose those to the microwaves, the stalks expand. It's called superheating. It's a bit like what goes on in your microwave oven — as the stalk heats up, they expand. The stalks fall over in a horizontal position. When you switch it off, switch off the microwave, the stalks stay in that position. It would make more sense to radiate with microwaves than to go physically stomping these crops. And one interesting phenomenon is the stalks are never broken, they're just bent.

It's all a consequence of the development of modern technology. It's only fairly recently that we've been able to have portable magnetrons that can run off a 12-volt battery. Before, you would have to take a generator with you to a crop field.

I'm not saying this is actually what is going on; my article is one explanation. This seems to fit all the facts, and you don't need aliens. Note: See below for a response from a circlemaker.

PS: OK, so say you have a spare field and a magnetron — how would you make a crop circle?
RT: I would go on a computer, go into a design program, and design the pattern prior. Then I would convert those measurements on the screen into GPS coordinates, and then I would go out with my little GPS watch or whatever, and at each point, I would be able to stake out the pattern in the field. If you are using straight lines between points, I would use a laser to figure out a straight line. That's how I would design it.

Then the physical imprinting ... one possibility is to use microwaves to superheat the stalks and cause them to fall down. Before they cool down and anchor into place, that's when you would sculpt your pattern — when they are still flexible, when you could weave the patterns. I'm not saying that's what they are doing, but I am saying that's perhaps what they should be doing.

PS: How many people would it take?
RT: The designs that are coming out now are so beautiful, I think it's not just one lone person working in a field. Even if the technology improves, it will still be a collaboration between a number of people.

PS: Are they getting bigger or more intricate? What's the crop circle trend?
RT: Some of the patterns are quite incredible. Some of them are 115 meters (377 feet) in diameter. If you were physically imprinting it, that's quite a lot of effort. It's not just going and stomping down a line, because within that 115 meters, there might be like 190 little circles of different sizes. And they're beautiful to look at as well.

So this sort of myth that it's a couple people hoaxing — that's certainly the way that it started, but that's not what is going on now.

PS: Has anyone accused you of ruining the mystery, like spoiling a magic trick? Isn't the secrecy of the technique part of the mystique?

RT: My briefest claim to fame is that I analyzed the artworks of Jackson Pollock. Some in the art crowd said 'maybe you shouldn't be using science to explain away art.' But what happened there was, by identifying the types of patterns in Pollock's work, it made his work more wonderful, because it emphasized his talent. We found fractals in his canvases. Previously, people had assumed these were random splatters of nonsense and had no meaning to them, but we identified these natural patterns in there. He had managed to distill the essence of nature on his canvas in a direct way. That was a great example of scientific knowledge added to the value of the artwork, and I'm hoping the same thing will happen here.

If we can identify the tools that these artists are using, it's not going to trivialize it. It's going to demonstrate how talented these artists are.

My motivation, is to say to the world, that these patterns are spectacular, and the people who are making them have talent, and that talent should be celebrated. I think the answers will add to the celebration of these amazing thing.
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I would agree on this one..however..we have seen
thru history of groups nature worshippers, pagans, wiccans an what not use sigils a mechanisms for empowerment. When you get large creations its not for a lolz effect but a way for the audience to resonate and magnify or actuate its power and harmonize whatever the hec they are celebrating , akin to the creation or change reality via collective consciousness...in their belief its not para normal but more supernormal..the audience is the tool as important as that magnatron or planx used in making..

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PS An admirable comments section an field reports section is provided for Nyxs circle or heptagon seem in old roman coins and pound coins.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2016/stonehenge/comments.html







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« Reply #11 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 01:31am »

Islam came up so lets go thru that

http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/crescent_moon.htm
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The crescent moon and star is an internationally-recognized symbol of Islam. The symbol is featured on the flags of several Muslim countries, and is even part of the official emblem for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. The Christians have the cross, the Jews have the star of David, and the Muslims have the crescent moon, right?
Pre-Islamic Symbol

The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to confirm, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana.

The city of Byzantium (later known as Constantinople and Istanbul) adopted the crescent moon as its symbol. According to some reports, they chose it in honor of the goddess Diana.

Others indicate that it dates back to a battle in which the Romans defeated the Goths on the first day of a lunar month. In any event, the crescent moon was featured on the city's flag even before the birth of Christ.
Early Muslim Community

The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.
Ottoman Empire

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and are still not standard
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 02:38am »

I understand the theory that microwaves can affect the joint in the plant stalks. But on the other hand natural and intentional bending by humans can produce it too. Then you would still have to mechanically bend and push the plants down to mat it. No one has shown how the microwaves would be directed with precision at only the desired areas in the field. That could be a lot of equipment and leave behind traces of its presence. Then there's the power required. No electrical outlets, generators make noise, batteries are heavy and bulky, etc.

This microwave explanation just looks too complex given it has been demonstrated a crop circle can be made without it. I don't see the case being made and this is a good candidate for invoking Occam's Razor.

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 10:13am »

Hey, guys,

There are some researchers, including Vallee, who suspect SOME crop circles may be created by the intelligence community for reasons related to weapons testing and psychological warfare. Other crop formations are obviously the results of skilled artists and such, like people in the circles (pardon the pun) of Mark Pilkington and John Lundberg.

I'm not necessarily suggesting the intel community theory is correct, but I thought I'd bring it up because often when I see this topic bubble up I don't think people are aware of the implications of microwave pulses, directed energy weapons and related dynamics that might be relevant. If interested, here are some links ya might want to check out:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/04/crop-circles-part-three.html

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/05/crop-circles-considering-possibilities.html

http://boingboing.net/2010/04/28/of-flattened-flora-a.html

http://boingboing.net/2010/06/21/of-crop-circles-meme.html

I particularly find intriguing Levengood's "most interesting" formation he ever saw - it was in Kansas, and the effected crops were not downed, but grew taller than the others. That might be viewed in context with the "high heat" episode of the female experiencer/abductee and the hair curler experiment, in which a plant seed reportedly outgrew its counterparts after odd circumstances. And all of that might be considered in the context of the strange events surrounding Lindy Tucker.

Another point of interest is the evolution of formations in the States. The time frame could be considered curious.

And Vallee's stuff could be viewed as very intriguing. Lots of interesting dynamics and angles in there.

One more thing @GhostofEd, the equipment wouldn't be rolled to the scene, it would be airborne (see Vallee links above).
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 12:08pm »

To JJ.....
Thanks for the links....I think those that have followed Dr Vallee or the circle issue have heard of the military explanation before.
I find it a bit strange that they would test 'beam devices' in English or American crop fields when they could do it in a testing area away from curious seekers, but I suppose anything is possible regarding 'psychological warfare' though again it seems a bit of a stretch to me.
I find it very plausible that all formations have been made by talented artists over the decades....but the heat effects on soil and some of the so-called crop nodes is interesting and needs to be explained if we are going to say humans made them all.
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