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« Reply #15 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 1:42pm »

Technology spreads ..aspects available to military ..microwave generators and such are not mutually exclusive. I believe all equipment has to be calibrated..even radar guns..frequently.
The microwave bursts just get easier to deploy..portable and now solid state preventing mishap in there use and consume minal voltage..I can imagine the refinements are much better since 2011...Its tech that is available to everyone from artists religious groups.. ..even atheists! grin
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 3:26pm »

talingid said....At the same page, if you skip down to:
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Multiple eyewitness or filmed accounts
Daylight crop circle near Stonehenge on July 7, 1996

It describes a circle which formed in front of witnesses (Stonehenge tourists and security guards) over a 20 minute span, and says that no one saw any humans doing it. Only a "swirling cloud of mist" "two to three feet off the ground"


That was 1996....and I'm very suspicious of tales like that. Was this event and witnesses confirmed...where is the film of it...? I suspect that many of these are apocryphal tales that cannot be completely verified....and remain just stories.
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 3:35pm »

I believe this absolutely mad interview from 2014 touches on that video.

So I guess we should cover some of the theories, because we covered Bigfoot and other things that aren’t real, too. So here’s what cereologists believe. We mentioned that it’s an alien calling card, perhaps. A lot of eye witness reports supposedly say, “Ooh, I saw some—I heard some strange noises; I saw some weird lights.” There’s a famous video called the Oliver’s Castle video, where you see these strange lights above a field, and you actually see the crop circle, on video, form. It’s a field, and then it just depresses into a crop circle.

Josh: You’ve seen this?

Chuck: Oh, yeah. It’s on YouTube. But that guy who made that video came out and said, “Here’s how I did that. It’s these computer programs, and it’s paint, and it’s all fake.” But some people say, “No, no, no, that guy was paid off to say that.”

Josh: Or MI5 kidnapped his family and made him say it.

Chuck: Exactly. I mean, it’s very cool-looking, but that is one of the points that rational people point to, is like, if these things are being made, why isn’t there a single image anywhere of it happening.

Josh: Right.

Chuck: Because cameras are ubiquitous, video cameras—people look for this stuff, they camp out in fields trying to get those images.

Josh: Well, yeah. There was a very famous operation by a group of cereologists who camped out at a field for several—a week or two, I believe, back in the ’80s or ’90s, and apparently not only did no crop circles form during the time they were camped out in that area, none did in all of England during that time that they publicized that they were camping out. And then right when the operation ended, a crop circle popped up like, I think, a couple football fields away from where they’d been camping out.

Chuck: That’s because Doug, and what was his name?

Josh: Dave.

Chuck: Dave were like, “All right, they’re gone. Let’s go mess with them.”

Clearly, they’ve been forced to say, “Yes, some of these are hoaxes,” like the alien smoking pot.

Chuck: 80%, right?

Josh: Right.

Chuck: 20% cannot be explained.

Josh: By cereologists. There was a famous one that said, “We are not alone,” spelled out all in one word, basically, but in all caps. We are not alone. And a lot of skeptics say, “Shouldn’t it be ‘you are not alone,’ if these are messages from aliens?” And do they just happen to speak English? So there are a lot of points that skeptics point to, the ones that do go to the trouble of debunking these. And there’s a guy named Joe Nickell, and he writes for the Committee for Scientific Investigation, CSI, and he basically came up with four good points that debunk crop circles. One is that there is an escalation in frequency as they became more and more popular, which is kind of a weird thing. The geographic distribution of them was, again, concentrated primarily in this region of England, even though you’d find them elsewhere—Brazil, Japan, all over. You can also explain that by the fact that people were inspired by other crop circles. There’s an increase in complexity, which means—

Chuck: It means they’re getting better at it....
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 6:33pm »

on Jul 14th, 2016, 12:08pm, drwu23 wrote:
I find it a bit strange that they would test 'beam devices' in English or American crop fields when they could do it in a testing area away from curious seekers


yep i agree- good words wu.

to me there's nothing strange here because these things are not happening> fields are not being microwaved by anything... why would they be? rolleyes
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 7:39pm »

You'll need to read the links, gentlemen, to understand the events, research and implications. You might also consider reviewing some of the sources cited. It just depends on how well you want to understand the details and specifics of the theories or not.

on Jul 14th, 2016, 2:11pm, talingid wrote:
Thank you jjflash, those links made for interesting reading. Including the part describing a mystery flying object over the english countryside.


You're welcome, talingid. I think it's interesting too.
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« Reply #20 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 8:30pm »

on Jul 14th, 2016, 7:39pm, jjflash wrote:
You'll need to read the links, gentlemen, to understand the events, research and implications. You might also consider reviewing some of the sources cited.



For me personally:

what makes you think I haven't looked at/ considered & understood the events, research and implications!?

Do you think I've come to my conclusions regarding crop circles without considering & understanding the events, research and implications!? Really!!!??

Do you feel I've miss-read something/ have trouble reading & understanding the data put in front of me for the past 40+ years!?

If you want to believe it's possible there is something other than humans involved here then be my guest/ have fun- enjoy the fantasy.

At least show me the honour of not suggesting I've wrongly come to my conclusions regarding crop circles because you feel I may not have read, considered & understood something!

I'd appreciate it, thanks...

Peace.

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« Reply #21 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 8:38pm »

on Jul 14th, 2016, 7:57pm, talingid wrote:
I expect it could possibly be verified, because it stated that Stonehenge security and the local police became involved. But that verification might only be practical to do by someone who lives in the area.

If a few posts up, you were willing to accept microwave evidence, why be very suspicious of this? Though the paranormal-circle advocates might tout this as evidence of their theory, it could just as easily be a satellite based beam weapon. All those witnesses said was that there were no humans involved on the ground, and there was a misty cloud. But since we do not know what a beam weapon would look like in action, it could look like that.


I'm 'skeptical' (not a debunker) about all so-called paranormal events.
They might have seen just what they said or the whole thing could be a story that was created or simply embellished as often happens to tales often .....how does anyone know unless they have personally interviewed these people?
If their story is true then it could have been some kind of microwave or 'particle beam' device from above. But as I said above I find it very hard to believe that the military or aliens would be beaming crop circles. To what purpose? The military could test their devices elsewhere away from prying eyes and if aliens are trying to communicate with us they are doing a piss poor job since we still don't understand the message.
I'll stick with talented humans.
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 15th, 2016, 10:08am »

First of all, notdej, we have to be talking about the same thing, which we're not. A summary of how we got here:

on Jul 14th, 2016, 10:13am, jjflash wrote:
Hey, guys,

There are some researchers, including Vallee, who suspect SOME crop circles may be created by the intelligence community for reasons related to weapons testing and psychological warfare. Other crop formations are obviously the results of skilled artists and such, like people in the circles (pardon the pun) of Mark Pilkington and John Lundberg.

I'm not necessarily suggesting the intel community theory is correct, but I thought I'd bring it up because often when I see this topic bubble up I don't think people are aware of the implications of microwave pulses, directed energy weapons and related dynamics that might be relevant. If interested, here are some links ya might want to check out:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/04/crop-circles-part-three.html

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/05/crop-circles-considering-possibilities.html

http://boingboing.net/2010/04/28/of-flattened-flora-a.html

http://boingboing.net/2010/06/21/of-crop-circles-meme.html

I particularly find intriguing Levengood's "most interesting" formation he ever saw - it was in Kansas, and the effected crops were not downed, but grew taller than the others. That might be viewed in context with the "high heat" episode of the female experiencer/abductee and the hair curler experiment, in which a plant seed reportedly outgrew its counterparts after odd circumstances. And all of that might be considered in the context of the strange events surrounding Lindy Tucker.

Another point of interest is the evolution of formations in the States. The time frame could be considered curious.

And Vallee's stuff could be viewed as very intriguing. Lots of interesting dynamics and angles in there.

One more thing @GhostofEd, the equipment wouldn't be rolled to the scene, it would be airborne (see Vallee links above).


on Jul 14th, 2016, 6:33pm, notdej wrote:
yep i agree- good words wu.

to me there's nothing strange here because these things are not happening> fields are not being microwaved by anything... why would they be? rolleyes


on Jul 14th, 2016, 7:39pm, jjflash wrote:
You'll need to read the links, gentlemen, to understand the events, research and implications. You might also consider reviewing some of the sources cited. It just depends on how well you want to understand the details and specifics of the theories or not.


on Jul 14th, 2016, 8:30pm, notdej wrote:
For me personally:

what makes you think I haven't looked at/ considered & understood the events, research and implications!?

Do you think I've come to my conclusions regarding crop circles without considering & understanding the events, research and implications!? Really!!!??

Do you feel I've miss-read something/ have trouble reading & understanding the data put in front of me for the past 40+ years!?

If you want to believe it's possible there is something other than humans involved here then be my guest/ have fun- enjoy the fantasy.

At least show me the honour of not suggesting I've wrongly come to my conclusions regarding crop circles because you feel I may not have read, considered & understood something!

I'd appreciate it, thanks...

Peace.

dej...


If you and others are not interested in the theories that some of the formations may be created by the intelligence community, or you're not interested in Levengood's most interesting formation, the reported results of the hair curler experiment, or the events surrounding Lindy Tucker, that's of course okay. But you will be better equipped to discuss them if you understand specifically what happened, and understand what I'm talking about.

If anyone would like to discuss the circumstances further, I'm of the opinion that the more specific, the better. Otherwise we tend to run into complications and confusion when talking broad generalities, as we can see above.

Thanks.
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... Otherwise we tend to run into complications and confusion when talking broad generalities, as we can see above...

Or one could say 'going around in ever decreasing circles'.

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on Jul 15th, 2016, 10:08am, jjflash wrote:
But you will be better equipped to discuss them if you understand specifically what happened, and understand what I'm talking about.



Again-- what makes you think I do not understand what you're talking about!?

Do you feel I couldn't possibly have read the data in question & that's why I feel differently to you?

I've been over this data a thousand times before. When I first looked at it I thought it was just staunch believer BS data & now I still feel the same!

If you want to take in all this data as real, solid & truthful then have fun, but don't suggest I feel differently to you because I know nothing about it.

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« Reply #25 on: Jul 15th, 2016, 12:08pm »

Your comments, notdej, repeatedly indicate that you do not correctly understand either my position or the information contained in the links I offered. Again, it's not important that you or anyone else do, but it is necessary in order to have a functional discussion about it.
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on Jul 15th, 2016, 12:08pm, jjflash wrote:
Your comments, notdej, repeatedly indicate that you do not correctly understand either my position or the information contained in the links I offered. Again, it's not important that you or anyone else do, but it is necessary in order to have a functional discussion about it.
oh ok then
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on Jul 15th, 2016, 3:00pm, talingid wrote:
jjflash, I am willing at least to have a discussion about the details in the material you linked. You are right, there are a lot of implications to consider for all the theories. What points would you like to start with?

Though I am at a disadvantage for re-reading the ufotrail blogspot pages again, due to very strange internet problems we have suddenly been having this week. The first time I read them, everything was fine, but afterwards ufotrail and nearly half of the other websites we normally visit now have us ip-banned and say "connection refused", and almost all SSL sites except wikipedia say "connection terminated unexpectedly" or "connection reset by peer".

So if I discuss about ufotrail's crop circle material, I will be working from memory. But I have a pretty good memory.



Thanks, talingid. Just out of curiosity, where are you (like what country) experiencing those connection problems?

My basic position, talingid, is that crop circles are obviously and conclusively created by (quite human) hoaxers and artists. I also suspect that a small percentage may be created by the intelligence community (IC) for a variety of reasons (as addressed by Vallee, among others). I completely concede, however, that the burden of proof is on those who suspect any formations at all may be due to anyone other than hoaxers.

I am also completely willing to concede that I may be wrong. I do, however, feel that further research is justified into the possibilities of IC operations. I am also willing to change my mind should quality, professional research indicate truly paranormal events are afoot, I just happen to doubt it (pending more info).

I suspect the IC may be involved for reasons including, but not limited to, the following:

- Levengood's "most interesting" formation in Kansas

- Events surrounding Lindy Tucker

- Abnormally increased growth rates in plants (and apparent electromagnetic activity) as suggested by Levengood, Tucker and others

- Potential correlations between crop circle reports and weapons development, particularly in the States

To summarize, I suspect the conditions some people think indicate intelligent non-human beings create select crop formations are actually indicative of human weapons development and psy ops, and the evidence is simply misunderstood, shaped by UFO folklore and alien-themed aspects of pop culture.

Should others also choose to clarify their positions, provide specific reasons or cases to support their views, and/or comment on one another's points, that would be great.
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on Jul 15th, 2016, 12:08pm, jjflash wrote:
Your comments, notdej, repeatedly indicate that you do not correctly understand either my position or the information contained in the links I offered.


what do you mean by: 'I don't understand the information contained in the links' !? What are you talking abouthuh

In this topic thread you said you found the links you provided interesting, suggesting to me that you feel there's a possible chance of supernatural involvement.

I found the links you provided full of the usual staunch believer BS data!!! The same un-interesting data I've seen before & made it quite clear in this thread how I felt from the start.

Now I see this:

on Jul 15th, 2016, 6:28pm, jjflash wrote:
My basic position, talingid, is that crop circles are obviously and conclusively created by (quite human) hoaxers and artists..



I can't read minds mate> you need to make it clear how you feel before indulging in discussion! Very annoying to be honest> & a waste of my time!

Thanks for that
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« Reply #29 on: Jul 16th, 2016, 12:16am »

I don't think there is a need to take anything personally here.
Its not a contest..there are no winners an losers...just people adding or subtracting to their knowledge base.

its pretty well settled most are man made.
However, one old trooper asks why even some of these felt complelled or impelled to do them..

http://www.colinandrews.net/Crop-Circles-2015_Colin-Andrews.html

Let me please say with great respect that what I’ve learned over 32 years investigating the crop circles is that the most important
question is: What or who is communicating in direct interactive ways within the human mind? These communications are taking
place in the minds of researchers like me and also people making crop circleshuh?

That said the ratchet design at the top of your message WAS manmade but why? Why did the humans involved make that
design? and why place it there? Many unexplained events can surround the making of some circles and sometimes unknown to
the humans involved. Sometimes several people will be prompted to make them on the same night and even in the same fields
(read accounts in my book ‘On the Edge of Reality’ The big question is : What are the implications of human activity acted out
due to non human influence? This is a profound idea, let alone a conclusion and has huge implications upon societies structures
and beliefs.

Our entire world is changing gear and my suggestion is that many of these changes are being influenced by a similar process.
My first public presentations about these findings were made during 2012 and some of the audience and researchers present
‘got it’ such as UFO researcher Grant Cameron, who said afterwards, the material made sense of his decades of research. It did
of my own too, complete sense.

From politicians to religious leaders, from UFO researchers to crop circle makers and researchers too, a non human mind is
influencing many humans and likely in a selective manner. This is my undeniable conclusion, as unexpected and outrageous as it
might seem.

The communications, are akin to intuitive nudges and are subtle, quiet and yet clear and decisive – I would say ‘All knowing’.
‘The chess player’ knows the end game but has many seemingly illogical moves to make to bring the game to set match or fruition.

Just as the first people to admit making crop circles said "It was as if we were being told to make them. We could never quite
understand that feeling" (Doug Bower and Dave Chorley - 1991)


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