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« Reply #30 on: Jul 16th, 2016, 10:32am »

Thanks for that, Sys. I would require significantly more confirmation in order to accept the conclusion reached by Andrews and Cameron, but I will indeed continue to emphasize that various theories are not mutually exclusive of one another. Different specific formations may have different explanations, with hoaxer/artist likely being the most prevalent.

I'll offer some links one more time for posterity.

on Jul 14th, 2016, 10:13am, jjflash wrote:
Hey, guys,

There are some researchers, including Vallee, who suspect SOME crop circles may be created by the intelligence community for reasons related to weapons testing and psychological warfare. Other crop formations are obviously the results of skilled artists and such, like people in the circles (pardon the pun) of Mark Pilkington and John Lundberg.

I'm not necessarily suggesting the intel community theory is correct, but I thought I'd bring it up because often when I see this topic bubble up I don't think people are aware of the implications of microwave pulses, directed energy weapons and related dynamics that might be relevant. If interested, here are some links ya might want to check out:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/04/crop-circles-part-three.html

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/05/crop-circles-considering-possibilities.html

http://boingboing.net/2010/04/28/of-flattened-flora-a.html

http://boingboing.net/2010/06/21/of-crop-circles-meme.html


I wrote the following in the second link while considering the information in the next two links (via Vallee) and the work of David Perkins:

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Long time investigator/author Dr. Jacques Vallee wrote about crop circles and their implications on his Boing Boing blog. [2] Vallee acknowledged that all camps agree the vast majority of formations are the work of hoaxers and artists, but additionally presented for consideration that authentic crop circles may be the work of the military intelligence community, using a beam weapon.

Vallee addressed issues such as the feasibility of such a weapon, citing that disclosures about beam weapons have already taken place. [3] Such devices can be airborne, capable of harming humans and can stop car engines.

Phillips Laboratory, an advanced weapons research facility located at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico, has long acknowledged such beams and capabilities. [4] A 1993 press release stated the use and direction of “high-power microwaves, high-energy advanced pulsed power and very-high-energy plasmas” had been achieved.

Researcher David Perkins further informed us that such weaponry first began being developed by the American military during World War II. Curiously, this is right about the time crop circles began being reported in the States. In his 1998 article High Heat, Perkins went on to explain how the projection of intense lasers had received military attention during the Star Wars era, including the development of numerous high-power microwave devices. Coincidentally or not, the years following these achievements included record numbers of U.S. crop circle reports.

On his blog, Vallee noted his interview with what he described as a reliable witness who observed a very curious object hovering in the sky above an area known for crop circles. The man was a professor of physics and a hang glider pilot. Vallee reported that, while doing some flying, the professor observed “something like a perfect mirror hanging vertically in mid-air.” Circling the object to determine its shape, the man decided it was cylindrical and covered with a perfectly reflective surface.

Addressing why the military would be interested in possibly using such weapons to, of all things, create crop circles, Vallee called upon his experience as a computer scientist to warn us of the potential advantages, dangerous as they may be, of effectively manipulating information and public opinion. Vallee noted the initial issue raised by the crop circle puzzle is the construction of belief systems.

He suggested that if authentic crop circles are military experiments hidden in plain sight, then the social manipulation of information providing camouflage for such experiments is indeed quite remarkable. Vallee asserted that the Internet and its promotion of myth can be used to hide a massive technological effort taking place right in front of us, and that little more than the distortion of information presented to an eager to be misinformed audience is all that is required to make such an operation a fascinating success.

The main result is to disturb genuine research of paranormal phenomena, Vallee wrote, but acknowledged this is but one potential aspect of the overall effect. Internet social patterns are most certainly an increasingly important global tool, altering public perception of both the past and future. Mastering the use of such a tool, Vallee surmised, would be well worth the effort, much less a few bent stalks of corn. He suggested, “What we have here is a remarkable example of misdirection around a stunning experiment that remains in full view of a wide public that consistently fails to ask the right questions and keeps re-asserting bogus answers.” [5]


But, no, Sys, it's not necessarily a 'one size fits all' situation.

The thing I find intriguing about crop formations is they differ from reported UFO sightings and alleged alien abductions in that crop formations are conclusively there. They do exist, so it's a matter of if any of the explanations fall outside the realm of skilled artists, not if explanations apply.
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« Reply #31 on: Jul 16th, 2016, 1:24pm »

Tali..an artist may not be intent on hoaxing..or decieving..he/she/they know their work is temporal and will disappear..they simply cast their work like some cast a flower or lanterns on a flowing river..they are not interested in credit..thanks to the work of dave and doug and their addition of squares to shut the naysayers up they demonstrated that it could be replicated and improved and indeed it was with magnicfent euclidean geometry..since the days of disclosure. If nature groups took it it up it is a contribution to influence nature..they too would not need to require publicity..liken the value of a prayer in public to that one in secret in your own closet.or the philanthropist who donates anonymously..they all have their reasons..but they need not be hoaxers or deceptive...they create and influence and the tools and methods are well within their and many other reach to do so . Would any true accomplished magician reveal his/her secrets? The awe has diminished somewhat since those days. A lively business traffic still continues..and with every tale told in the local pub and denial or argument comes an opportunity..for another circle..or something even better..

I forgot to ask besides the internet problem are you having problems with your fax machine as of late?


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« Reply #32 on: Jul 17th, 2016, 10:09am »

A few points, please:

You guys mentioned the Oliver's Castle video earlier. I came across a clip from it in a vid below. I vaguely recalled hearing the footage was a hoax. A subsequent search led me to this:




Continuing along...

on Jul 16th, 2016, 11:56am, talingid wrote:
I think the "all are ground-based circle artists" theory and the "some are military microwave weapons from above" theory are both equally mundane and both equally extraordinary in their own ways. So why should one side not have to face a burden of proof while the other does?


I agree they are each mundane and extraordinary in their own ways. Well put.

I suggested the burden of proof is on explanations in addition to hoaxers/artists because the latter have indeed been conclusively shown to account for some formations, while the intelligence community has not.

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There are lots of vids and websites around that confirm such circumstances, and we previously mentioned the circle making work of John Lundberg, whose site you guys discussed, and who we can read about on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lundberg

Lundberg and company did corporate work in addition to other formations. I wrote about such projects once for an Examiner post in which a California-based graphics company commissioned circle artists to do a project for them:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140805192158/http://www.examiner.com/article/electronics-company-announces-it-created-crop-circle

An image of the formation is included in the link.

Thus, the burden of proof is on those who suspect explanations in addition to mischievous circle makers, which is established.

To try to clarify a few of my views, details of which can be found in the previous links and sources cited, or with a search or two:

I think some of Levengood's work was interesting. I was particularly intrigued by his claims of finding small glass fragments in certain crop formations, combined with his claim of finding similar glass fragments in the homes of self-described alien abductees (but the fragments were absent from homes of non-abductees). He interpreted the glass was formed from heated dust particles.

Additionally, I found his claims interesting that on several occasions he observed abnormally increased plant growth, such as the most memorable formation he ever investigated. This seemingly unusual phenomena was related to not only plants retrieved from select formations, but an incident involving an alleged abductee who resided in Michigan (the hair curler incident). Seeds in her vicinity reportedly grew at abnormally increased rates under very peculiar circumstances.

However, the reports are largely anecdotal and not verified as well as would be desirable. Levengood has, however, authored many peer reviewed papers, some of which are contested and some are not. He suggested in his papers that he suspected some crop formations were created by ion electron avalanches.

Lindy Tucker lived in rural Canada. She reported numerous unusual events, including UFO sightings, downed crops and burns on her arms after entering the fields to try to get better looks at the aerial phenomena. Her garden soon produced a 75-pound cabbage, linked and pictured earlier (again, the abnormally increased plant growth rate). She went on to do a great deal of work correlating UFO sightings with electronic-like beeping sounds as she experienced, and found crop formations to also potentially be related to the odd sounds she documented.

I suspect we may be seeing clues and byproducts of either an intelligence operation as speculated by Vallee and/or a yet to be better understood natural phenomenon. I do not know, as much more work is required, but I think qualified researchers with adequate resources might find some answers, or at least better identify the right questions. Perhaps it could help us better understand what happened to such people and/or caused them to perceive things the ways they did, be it human-instigated or some kinds of natural phenomena.

I could be way off base and, as previously stated, I fully concede the burden of proof is on the researcher and claimant. Nothing has yet been proven other than some pretty talented human artists make some fascinating crop formations, but if there's something more to it, I suspect events as described above (and presented in previous posts in this thread) play roles. I'm not entirely convinced it can all be explained away as nonsense or simple hoaxing, and I think any answers that may yet to be revealed would be much more likely found by looking to our left and right than skyward.

That's what I think, anyway.
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« Reply #33 on: Jul 17th, 2016, 11:50am »

on Jul 17th, 2016, 10:09am, jjflash wrote:
I vaguely recalled hearing the footage was a hoax.


it is a hoax> 100%
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« Reply #34 on: Jul 18th, 2016, 12:52am »

i am curious of one thing after reading the crystalization and heating that microwaves or the ion avalanches ..that being..ths was all on farmland..farmland has bugs earthworms moles etc..would it be unfair to ask.. any insects in the circles get caught up and cooked..in fact were any insects mashed up by planks or boots..if not cooked up. Healthy farmland should have have lots per square acre.

http://www.si.edu/Encyclopedia_SI/nmnh/buginfo/bugnos.htm
Several enlightening studies have been conducted involving the numbers of individual insects in a given area. In North Carolina, soil samples to a depth of 5 inches yielded a calculation that there were approximately 124 million animals per acre, of which 90 million were mites, 28 million were springtails, and 4.5 million were other insects. A similar study in Pennsylvania yielded figures of 425 million animals per acre, with 209 million mites, 119 million springtails, and 11 million other arthropods. Even specific insect species have been found to be quite numerous, with calculations of from 3 to 25 million per acre for wireworms (larvae of click beetles).
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« Reply #35 on: Jul 18th, 2016, 01:59am »

Now that's a good question and observation i.e., what about all those bugs and other life forms in the crop circles? Seems like an obvious thing to check out. Maybe too obvious and the answer is inconvenient? grin

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My suspicion is that if they get roasted it's not clearly evident or the replenish rate makes up for it. undecided Maybe the beams(?) are safe for everything except the plants or the strength falls off significantly below the bend points. But that seems to contradict some reports that soil shows lack of microbes(?). I may be wrong about that latter part - too many claimed anomalies or their absence to keep track of with this business.
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« Reply #36 on: Jul 18th, 2016, 02:57am »

Thanx Ed I read some articles that dealt with sterilizing soil using microwaves with some success . What kill is the heat transfer more than the direct microwave itself and contingent on moisture content.

https://www.quora.com/Does-a-microwaves-waves-kill-bacteria-and-germs-directly-or-only-indirectly-by-heat-transfer
http://www.academia.edu/902624/Potential_of_microwaves_to_control_plant-parasitic_nematodes_in_soil

But now that we noted this..what else did they kill besides microbes and beetles? What might have been disrupted like ground bird nests..froggies..maybe these well intentioned artists and aliens may have created a nightmare for flora and fauna..and not just kill a few stalks of corn barley and wheat..
Thousands of circles and not one beetle or frog or grasshopper killed or maimed and reported in 40 years? They are lyin!
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« Reply #37 on: Jul 18th, 2016, 06:24am »

Maybe it's about time NASA, Roscosmos, ESA, JAXA and the other space agencies all got together to start planning for the first project to send humans a few hundred light years to another planet, so they can land there, carve some patterns on the ground, then come home again.
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on Jul 18th, 2016, 1:15pm, talingid wrote:
To paraphrase, they are saying that the animals all leave a crop circle area before it happens, and do not like being near the circles after formation.


To claim animals keep away from crop circles is one thing. But to say animals all leave a crop circle area BEFORE it happens is ridiculous! How can they possibly know this?

They'd have to be there, see all the animals scurry off & then witness the crop circle form right in front of their eyes. I've never heard anyone claiming such an amazing event.

Who wrote this garbage!? I guess I could click on the link to find out but I couldn't be bothered.............

It always has & always will fascinate me how some folks take all this BS data in!

Anyways, what do I know. Have fun smiley

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on Jul 18th, 2016, 1:15pm, talingid wrote:
I found one crop circle web site with a page mentioning the animal life. It does not have quite the scientific tone that some may prefer, but it could well be true.

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/altered_states4.html

I read it and once it started to drift into the "negative energy" theories and anecdotal accounts it lost a lot of it's credibility for me. What is negative energy and how is it measured? What are frequencies and of what? The energy? These kinds of descriptions and explanations bring to mind new age technobabble and is part of the reason a lot of this stuff is not taken seriously.

Maybe the reason animals (I'm not talking about someones pets) flee the area is because someone is thrashing their environment, making noise etc. May explain why some insects may scatter but in no way explains why if some energy source (microwaves, etc.) are being used there is no solid evidence of it affecting what else remains behind besides the wheat stalk bend area anomaly(?). I suppose the sources could have some unknown capabilities but that seems like a special pleading argument.
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on Jul 18th, 2016, 2:15pm, GhostofEd wrote:
I read it and once it started to drift into the "negative energy" theories and anecdotal accounts it lost a lot of it's credibility for me.


Newbie here. Hello to all.

Unfortunately the phenomenon has been used by various groups to pursue their own interest and so there has been little done to redirect the investigation where it is supposed to be. The crop circles represent a hypothetical environment and there are rules and methods that need to be applied. "I want to believe"- a slogan often used with the UFO - throws the subject right into the arms of some religion and its practices. Unless the slogan is replaced by "let's assume," events that defy easy explanation would keep falling into wrong hands.

How the Stonehenge crop formation was done?

The answer depends on who is the author. If it is another case of landscape art, then the technology used was a rope and a plank. If it is a case of "non-human landscape art"... Here is the problem. If you stumble upon a crop circle researcher who would refer to the alleged elusive non-human circle makers as "cosmic artists," you know that something is not right with his/her approach to the mystery.

Lets' assume that some crop circles are not the result of a human activity. Would you easily accept the idea that the sole purpose of the manifestation was to introduce a new form of landscape art to humans?

If it is not the case, then there must be a difference in the formation design. People who do the crop circles see themselves as landscape artists and so their work is hardly informative. Moreover, their activity doesn't call for carefully choosing the environment where their art would appear - they wouldn't sweat over a question which "canvas" to choose and when is the right time to start painting, for example. They may chose a field in the close vicinity to Stonehenge, but their design would hardly acknowledge the monument.

But the alternative source of the crop circles does the same thing!

Really? Look again.

This year marks the 20th anniversary of the creation of then much debated formation near Stonehenge called the Julia set. It was reported on 7. July. The present formation near Stonehenge was reported on 8. July. Which date is more appropriate for hitting a field in the vicinity of Stonehenge?

The landscape artists could care less, so answering the question could set things nicely apart.
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