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« Reply #15 on: Jul 25th, 2014, 5:55pm »

on Jul 25th, 2014, 5:05pm, GForce wrote:
I think the UFO blanket is used for cover for the black projects. To separate them from actual UFO reports I can only assume would not benefit them. Right now I'm sure they're using the UFO phenomena to hide behind. To be honest it's perfect cover, not that I like or agree with the practice but I do understand it.


Right. Thank you. It's not a matter of competence or incompetence, or ethical transparency vs. tyrannical secrecy. It's not even a matter of chicken or the egg... which came first, UFOs or the IC manufacture thereof? It doesn't matter from a perspective of certain purposes are served and there is no reason whatsoever to disclose what has been accomplished in the process. Not gonna happen.

To what ends? To win the support of a constituency that MUFON currently reports to include a worldwide 3,000 members?

You are correct, G, it should be understandable, and whether or not we agree. There is not the public interest for politicians to throw their hats in the UFO ring, and the only times intel officials show their hands is when they are intending to use the cards as agents of deception. Telling people things simply because they want to know does not take place, and informing the enemy in the process is not now, never has been and never will be up for consideration.

Project Palladium, aka a false flag UFO operation, is a specific example of such circumstances as GForce suggested:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2013/09/one-of-those-posts-about-validated.html

There is a point in which my intelligence is insulted by the likes of Greer and Bassett, and their incessant harping and fundraising for UFO disclosure. The entire concept is flawed and perpetrated on a demographic who understandably deeply want to know more, but are often times taken advantage of.
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 25th, 2014, 6:15pm »

By the way, I posted a bit about this in the Mirage Men thread, but in the event any of you missed it but might be interested, I'd highly recommend giving the recent remarks of James Carrion some consideration:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2014/07/james-carrion-to-podcasters-deception.html

He's a former intel analyst, former director of MUFON and recently published a book, 'The Rosetta Deception', in which he explores at length strategic deception operations which, in the process, created inaccurate public perceptions of UFOs during 1946 and 1947. He talks a lot about deception, and some might find his comments and work of interest.
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 05:28am »

To an extent Government agencies have used UFOs to cover "Black Budget Projects" and Advaneced Avionics Projects as well however that does not explain all the UFO sightings.

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« Reply #18 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 05:39am »

on Jul 25th, 2014, 6:15pm, jjflash wrote:
By the way, I posted a bit about this in the Mirage Men thread, but in the event any of you missed it but might be interested, I'd highly recommend giving the recent remarks of James Carrion some consideration:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2014/07/james-carrion-to-podcasters-deception.html

He's a former intel analyst, former director of MUFON and recently published a book, 'The Rosetta Deception', in which he explores at length strategic deception operations which, in the process, created inaccurate public perceptions of UFOs during 1946 and 1947. He talks a lot about deception, and some might find his comments and work of interest.



Now DECEPTION is one thing we do agree on Jake. As to who, what, when, and where we may still debate but I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree there is a massive amount of DECEPTION going on!

I also am saying it is going to get infinitely times worse! As the video from the Ammach in America says they believe the "aliens' are the creators of mankind and are going to welcome them into a higher level of existence. Now I know you don't believe me however this is what I was shown "in school" but rejected and what happens before these things come out in the open to "save mankind". But from what I have experienced it is actually to deceive and enslave mankind into worshiping these things as our creators and their leader as the "real" "God". I understand how far out that sounds but if physical giant craft start showing themselves, landing, and displaying technology mankind has no answers for or defenses against what will men do? Will they submit? With some world and military leaders all of a sudden coming out for such things what are men to do. That is also why I posted the youtube about the possibility of a world religious leader (in the Catholic Church) just may be about to be joining into the "alien savior" deception I and others see coming. We understand the tenuous nature of this all but we also see a lot of things coming together enough that we feel the need to start warning people. If you watch the Ammach in America Bob Dean & Bob Brown video it pretty much describes the very things people such as I warn about coming into being so there are people actively working to bring this all into reality. At least take this all serious enough to evaluate their own words as to their goals. The deceptions are in place, working and expanding. How far will they go is the question.
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 09:56am »

on Jul 26th, 2014, 05:39am, Oldtimer wrote:
Now DECEPTION is one thing we do agree on Jake. As to who, what, when, and where we may still debate but I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree there is a massive amount of DECEPTION going on!

I also am saying it is going to get infinitely times worse! As the video from the Ammach in America says they believe the "aliens' are the creators of mankind and are going to welcome them into a higher level of existence. Now I know you don't believe me however this is what I was shown "in school" but rejected and what happens before these things come out in the open to "save mankind". But from what I have experienced it is actually to deceive and enslave mankind into worshiping these things as our creators and their leader as the "real" "God". I understand how far out that sounds but if physical giant craft start showing themselves, landing, and displaying technology mankind has no answers for or defenses against what will men do? Will they submit? With some world and military leaders all of a sudden coming out for such things what are men to do. That is also why I posted the youtube about the possibility of a world religious leader (in the Catholic Church) just may be about to be joining into the "alien savior" deception I and others see coming. We understand the tenuous nature of this all but we also see a lot of things coming together enough that we feel the need to start warning people. If you watch the Ammach in America Bob Dean & Bob Brown video it pretty much describes the very things people such as I warn about coming into being so there are people actively working to bring this all into reality. At least take this all serious enough to evaluate their own words as to their goals. The deceptions are in place, working and expanding. How far will they go is the question.


Hello Oldtimer, I'm not sure how much deception is needed. People eat up the information given to them on shows like Ancient Aliens. Some consume it verbatim. You also have groups, sects/cults that already worship aliens. Some like Heaven's gate have already left the building.

Human interest in UFO's & Aliens is ever increasing and many already view Aliens as a Savior. They believe they'll swoop down and stop humans from destroying themselves and the earth. Forgetting that aliens have done nothing to stop any past wars and destruction.

I do disagree that the Catholic Church or any mainstream religious group accepting them as some kind of savior. I think they're more likely to consider them demonic and link them to the end of days. That scenario would more likely keep the flock in tact and follows the Bible's scenario.
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« Reply #20 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 09:59am »

on Jul 25th, 2014, 5:55pm, jjflash wrote:
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There is a point in which my intelligence is insulted by the likes of Greer and Bassett, and their incessant harping and fundraising for UFO disclosure. The entire concept is flawed and perpetrated on a demographic who understandably deeply want to know more, but are often times taken advantage of.


That's on the money and even if these 'disclosure' people are well meaning they aren't going to get the govt to admit anything about their activities.
But I have a problem with most of the people in this crowd like Greer and Bassett in that they believe some really out there stuff. Greer claimed that at one time he was contacting ufos at night and would charge people money to come out with him, and thought another man had a dead alien in his freezer among other weird beliefs. All of this taints their attempts to find truth about what the govt may or may not know when they believe some very wacky things to begin with.


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« Reply #21 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 10:20am »

Not sure why people keep listening to and believing in all the wild stuff/videos out there like the ones posted above by OT, but lets dissect some of it:

-Schratt is about covert military aircraft and not ufos as aliens.

-Salas never actually saw any ufos but reported what several guards said they saw on the base he was in charge of at the time. Not sure how his words have any weight regarding alien conspiracies with the govt., but the 'disclosure' people have surely gotten mileage from him.

-Hellyer, from Canada btw, has been spinning the same 'insider' tales about ufos and aliens for decades now and still has not given us anything but anecdotal material..no actual evidence. Again what exactly is he disclosing that we don't already know in that some people see ufos from time to time.

-Bob Dean is another alleged insider and he again has only anecdotal stuff and never has produced anything of physical value. Indeed some doubt his word regarding what he did and where he worked regarding his military service record. But even so his claim that the military has had projects monitoring ufos and secret papers on it, etc is not news...I think any govt would have spent some time investigating strange sightings...again old news.

-And what can one say about Evolving beings.com.....seriously..? 57 alien species on earth..? seriously..? and the rest of the claims in those videos are simply ridiculous and have been circulated in the ufo arena for years now and once again with not a shred of any evidence.

This type of stuff does not help the cause to prove aliens are here but instead makes people think everyone interested in the ufo enigma are crackpots.



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« Reply #22 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 2:17pm »

GForce as to your comment about the Catholic Church not accepting an "alien savior". That whole thing is to do with the prophecy of the final pope, "Peter the Roman," whose reign would end in the destruction of Rome from within the Roman Catholic Church itself. Look up the "Prophecy of the Popes" or the "St. Malachy Last Pope Prophecy" for yourself to see what I am referring to. This may or may not be valid however seeing how Christian Scripture does refer to a "False Prophet" in the End Times and the destruction of the "scarlet woman who sits on seven hills" who some believe refers to the Vatican Church.. Some within the Catholic Church itself have brought out theses predictions in relation to Revelation 18. There is no original manuscript of the prediction to my understanding so that makes it questionable in my mind. There are believers of this within the Catholic Church itself that keep it alive. Some show evidence that it is coming true while others refute it. It is of importance because of what it says about the "Last Pope".

In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit ... Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible judge will judge his people. The End.

Following Benedict's resignation, theorists began questioning if Malachy might actually be right.



You should be able to see the significance of this considering the number of people the Roman Catholic Church touches world wide!
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« Reply #23 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 2:40pm »

Many of you have failed to notice what has been going on in the world today.


Pope: Aliens can be Catholics too

http://nypost.com/2014/05/13/pope-aliens-can-be-catholics-too/



Pope Francis said everyone can be a Catholic, including aliens.

Little green men from outer space can be Catholics too!

Pope Francis, bending over backwards to strike an inclusionary tone for his church, joked that he’d welcome Martians into the fold and baptize them.

“Green men, with a long nose and big ears, like children draw,” Francis told worshipers during Mass at his modest Casa Santa Martha residence within the Vatican.

“If tomorrow, for example, an expedition of Martians arrives and some of them come to us … and if one of them says: ‘Me, I want to be baptized!’ what would happen?”

The down-to-earth Argentine pontiff said yes, of course, the spacemen should be embraced and treated as equals, according to reports by Vatican Radio and AFP.

Christians should never “close the door” to anyone seeking baptism, according to the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics.

In a slightly more realistic scenario, Francis said Monday that all earthly seekers of faith – such as kids of adults breaking church rules, such as living together outside of marriage – must be embraced and baptized.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/13/pope-aliens-can-be-catholics-too/


Is It Really OK to Believe in Aliens?

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/VaticanAliens.htm

The Catholic Church, has accepted an alarming statement by one of their higher leaders. Jesuit Director of the Vatican Observatory, Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes is quoted as saying,

"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Just as we consider earthly creatures as a brother,' and sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother? It would still be part of creation. Ruling out the existence of aliens would be like "putting limits" on God's creative freedom."



This was a statement backed and supported by the Vatican which includes the Pope and the entire Catholic Church



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The craft shown in this video in Colorado I have personally seen.
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« Reply #25 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 6:25pm »

Ya,ok.
If this deity does exist,WHY is there so much travesty and turmoil on this planet which once was called"The garden of EDEN"?
Don't these monkeys know there's enough of EDEN to go around?
What is the reasoning of the rediculesness(sp) of attempting to control something that is there for ALL?
Silly humans,you make your borders,then you retaliate when the downtrodden attempt to make something better for their family.
This GOD is nothing ,due to the reasoning from my POV ,IT is too damn busy doing things elsewhere!
That,in itself,is the exact point,IT DOES NOT EXIST....
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« Reply #26 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 6:31pm »

A few points, please:

- My name is not Jake.

- I am Jack Brewer. I maintain the blog 'The UFO Trail' and I write 'Orlando Paranormal Examiner' linked in my profile signature.

- Oldtimer, it is not a matter of whether or not I believe you (at least not to me). I think there are basically three kinds of information:

One, that which has been verified as accurate,

Two, that which has been conclusively demonstrated to be false and can be discarded, and

Three, that which requires suspension of judgment pending further (and competent) investigation.

It's not about belief to me. People who perceive themselves to be prophets, experiencers, clairvoyants, abductees - you name it - make statements all the time... and those statements frequently directly contradict one another. I have little interest in such matters as compared to awaiting verifiable information.

- I agree with drwu23 re the so-called disclosure movement. The activists and exopolitics movement oversimplify the situation, which is actually much more complex than a platform of 'Aliens are here. The White House knows. Demand they tell us.' It insults my intelligence. It also concerns me in that people are being exploited to the advantage of those responsible for fear mongering and perpetuating mysteries.

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« Reply #27 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 6:58pm »

Fear is that which allow themselves to go there and allow the force to instill that fear.
Strong minds will not allow this.
Fear is nothing but the device of brutes,
brutes are individual of weak mind,useless persons of a weak mind and self awareness.
Stand firm,be oneself and believe in yourself,YOU will preserve your self.

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on Jul 26th, 2014, 6:25pm, jm57 wrote:
Ya,ok.
If this deity does exist,WHY is there so much travesty and turmoil on this planet which once was called"The garden of EDEN"?
Don't these monkeys know there's enough of EDEN to go around?
What is the reasoning of the rediculesness(sp) of attempting to control something that is there for ALL?
Silly humans,you make your borders,then you retaliate when the downtrodden attempt to make something better for their family.
This GOD is nothing ,due to the reasoning from my POV ,IT is too damn busy doing things elsewhere!
That,in itself,is the exact point,IT DOES NOT EXIST....


What are you talking about? Are you trying to say because man has free will you are blaming God? If you make your points clearer I will respond to them. You are free to believe in who or whatever you wish. I am explaining what I believe.

What are you talking about? Are you trying to say because man has free will you are blaming God? If you make your points clearer I will respond to them. You are free to believe in who or whatever you wish. I am explaining what I believe.

There is so much travesty and turmoil on this planet because humans are so selfcentered selfserving trying to gain power over each other it causes said turmoil. People are not robots but are free moral agents that are responsible for their own actions but will ultimately be answerable for their actions.

What do you expect?
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« Reply #29 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 8:41pm »

I am unsure what "fear" you are referring to in your above posts. I feel no fear so I am unsure where you are coming from with all that. You are to cryptic to respond to about this "fear".

As I previously stated, I also due not espouse the "disclosure movement" but see them as part of the deception problem.
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