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« Reply #30 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 10:22pm »

on Jul 26th, 2014, 8:41pm, Oldtimer wrote:
As I previously stated, I also due not espouse the "disclosure movement" but see them as part of the deception problem.


I can't argue against that, it is deceptive and takes the focus off the very thing it seeks. Personally I think the whole thing is much ado about nothing.

As for Biblical prophecy or prophecy in general? I don't put much stock into them. So much is open to interpretation. Even Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce were wrong quite often. I enjoy reading it and I do believe they are people with gifts but religious prophecies often are used to scare and control the flock. I do see links between UFO's and events in the Bible but that's about the extent of my beliefs between the two.
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« Reply #31 on: Jul 27th, 2014, 09:16am »

on Jul 26th, 2014, 10:22pm, GForce wrote:
I can't argue against that, it is deceptive and takes the focus off the very thing it seeks. Personally I think the whole thing is much ado about nothing.

As for Biblical prophecy or prophecy in general? I don't put much stock into them. So much is open to interpretation. Even Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce were wrong quite often. I enjoy reading it and I do believe they are people with gifts but religious prophecies often are used to scare and control the flock. I do see links between UFO's and events in the Bible but that's about the extent of my beliefs between the two.



I don't get the scare part you refer to. I can see if people are scared by their reaction to what is recorded but the vast amount of prophecy is in the Old Testament recorded many hundreds of years ago so the author would have neither the ability or motivation to control modern men. It was written to the Jewish people as a record, teaching, and a warning. Have the things predicted come true? That is in the eyes of the beholders. People can find evidence to support their views on both sides. You choose.

The Roman Catholic Church spent a huge part of its existence trying to keep its members from even being able to read the bible directly for themselves. That was the one of the mains reason behind the "The Protestant Reformation". Even today Pope Fransis is going against the accepted standards of Christian Faith when he is now saying there are no "Free Agents" (http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/church-essential-faith-there-are-no-free-agents-pope-says) and that "having a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous" (http://joecruzmn.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/pope-francis-says-having-a-personal-relationship-with-jesus-is-dangerous-false-prophet-utters-false-words/). For this Pope to say there is no free agents or personal relationship with Yeshua (Jesus) outside the Catholic Church goes backward to before the Protestant Reformation. It says the individual is incapable of having the understanding or ability to have an individual relationship with God or Jesus without the Catholic Church telling you how to do it. It takes man back before there was the printing press so that the individual could read the Bible for themselves. This Pope is in essence saying you cannot approach God unless I give you my permission. This is counter to the Vast Understanding of Christian Understanding Period! This seems to be following the "Prophecy of the Popes". Only time will tell if the "Prophecy of the Popes" comes true.
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« Reply #32 on: Jul 27th, 2014, 09:51am »

on Jul 27th, 2014, 09:16am, Oldtimer wrote:
I don't get the scare part you refer to. I can see if people are scared by their reaction to what is recorded but the vast amount of prophecy is in the Old Testament recorded many hundreds of years ago so the author would have neither the ability or motivation to control modern men. It was written to the Jewish people as a record, teaching, and a warning. Have the things predicted come true? That is in the eyes of the beholders. People can find evidence to support their views on both sides. You choose.

The Roman Catholic Church spent a huge part of its existence trying to keep its members from even being able to read the bible directly for themselves. That was the one of the mains reason behind the "The Protestant Reformation". Even today Pope Fransis is going against the accepted standards of Christian Faith when he is now saying there are no "Free Agents" (http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/church-essential-faith-there-are-no-free-agents-pope-says) and that "having a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous" (http://joecruzmn.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/pope-francis-says-having-a-personal-relationship-with-jesus-is-dangerous-false-prophet-utters-false-words/). For this Pope to say there is no free agents or personal relationship with Yeshua (Jesus) outside the Catholic Church goes backward to before the Protestant Reformation. It says the individual is incapable of having the understanding or ability to have an individual relationship with God or Jesus without the Catholic Church telling you how to do it. It takes man back before there was the printing press so that the individual could read the Bible for themselves. This Pope is in essence saying you cannot approach God unless I give you my permission. This is counter to the Vast Understanding of Christian Understanding Period! This seems to be following the "Prophecy of the Popes". Only time will tell if the "Prophecy of the Popes" comes true.


The scare part of Biblical prophecies are used in churches. I was brought up a Baptist and the preacher preached Revelation and the End of Days almost weekly. The idea is to get sinners to repent so they will be taken with the second coming of Christ and not be forced to endure the end times.

The same fear is used by describing a spiteful God (Sodom & Gomorrah, the great flood, The Apocalypse etc) Preaching fear, prophesying fear keeps the flock from straying is my point.
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« Reply #33 on: Jul 27th, 2014, 11:43am »

on Jul 27th, 2014, 09:51am, GForce wrote:
The scare part of Biblical prophecies are used in churches. I was brought up a Baptist and the preacher preached Revelation and the End of Days almost weekly. The idea is to get sinners to repent so they will be taken with the second coming of Christ and not be forced to endure the end times.

The same fear is used by describing a spiteful God (Sodom & Gomorrah, the great flood, The Apocalypse etc) Preaching fear, prophesying fear keeps the flock from straying is my point.



Hmmmm, I was raised Southern Baptist myself. It depends on your pastor. My pastor was named Carter Tucker. He volunteered for the U.S. Army Chaplain Service during Vietnam and became known as "Chaplin of the Tunnel Rats" as he held services for the men down inside the tunnels (https://www.tatepublishing.com/bookstore/book.php?w=978-1-62902-100-3 ). I grew up in this man's church until he went to Vietnam. He led me to salvation. Knowing such people as him and my father a World War II veteran plus another World War II veteran that worked with my father that sort of adopted me as a second father that was on "The Bataan Death March" and spent all of World War II in a Japanese Prisoner of War Camp in Japan makes a difference. That man never even talked to my father but for some reason he talked to me about it all during the summers I worked with him. Growing up around such men has a profound affect on you! As you can see I did not have the average American childhood. One relative was a General and another was a Senior Intelligence Officer for the CIA. My family is not average by any standard.

I do not take things lightly and hold my beliefs strongly. You are free to believe as you wish just don't try to blow me off as I don't appreciate that at all. I am just a man that has been in extra-ordinary situations trying my best to deal with what I have been dealt. I wonder how much better many of you could have done?

There is another way to look at what you call preaching fear, prophesying fear to keep the flock from straying. It is called warning those you care far of what happens when they rebel against God. It depends on your point of view and your mindset. It is like raising a child, are you trying to protect them from danger during the time you correct them as they grow up or are you abusing and controlling them out of spite? Does it depend on your point of view or your attitude toward correction?
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« Reply #34 on: Jul 27th, 2014, 2:27pm »

Here is a video on the latest conspiracy theories and predictions floating around on YouTube about the Obama Administration and what is going on in the world. Have fun making fun of it; just take some notes about what they say and see if any of it actually happens. Enjoy.

The following is what is posted on YouTube about the following video.

Published on Mar 14, 2014

Ronald Reagan once famously wondered what would happen if the world were presented with the prospect of an alien invasion. It was Reagan's belief that humanity would be able to put aside all of their differences and come together to oppose such a common threat. We may soon see if he was correct.

If the accomplishments of the Obama administration can be summed up in three words, those words would be failure, scandal, and treason. The president and his toadies had to repeatedly lie to the people of the United States in order to pass the massive fail known as Obamacare, they have been lying to the American people and stonewalling Congress over what really happened in Benghazi for the last 18 months, and they are currently lying and/or pleading the fifth over the IRS's targeting of Tea Party groups. Let's not forget "Operation Fast and Furious," NSA spying on American citizens, the targeting of journalists, unconstitutional recess appointments, illegal military actions in Libya, and the unconstitutional and extrajudicial killings of Anwar al-Alawki, Samir Khan, and al-Alawki's 16-year-old son Abdulrahman who was killed in the CIA drone strike two weeks after his father for no particular reason.

Talk of impeachment is rampant in the halls of Congress, ordinary Americans are waking up all across the country; and they are angry. Even liberals are beginning to see the dangers posed by Barack Obama. Liberal constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley says that the United States is in a "constitutional crisis," and the ACLU has called Obama "judge, jury and executioner."

The last time there were anti-Obama protests in Washington DC, 1.8 million bikers roared through the town and patriots tore down the "Barrycades" that were preventing the nation's heroes from reaching their monuments; the ones that they earned with their sweat, their devotion to country, and their blood. When protesters started marching towards the White House Obama got into Marine One and fled the nation's capital. On May 16th millions of Americans are set to converge in Washington DC for Operation American Spring, and Obama can see the handwriting on the wall. He desperately needs a win to avoid impeachment and conviction by the Senate for high crimes and misdemeanors against the people of the United States.

According to former CIA spy Dr. Jim Garrow, Obama intends to quash all of the scandals plaguing his administration by announcing to the world that humanity has been in contact with extraterrestrials, and that he (Obama) has been selected to speak for humanity. Garrow says that this announcement will be timed to come after an imminent currency collapse orchestrated by Russia and China in a secret deal approved by Obama, who has not given up on his plans to wipe out up to 300 million Americans with an electromagnetic pulse - a triple threat from a POTUS known to double-down when his back is against the wall.

An EMP would send the US back to the 1800's without the infrastructure to support 314 million people. Overnight those people would be too busy trying to stay alive, too busy fighting hunger and disease to fight the absolute tyranny Obama and his masters seek to impose on the United States. With the nation crippled after attacks from numerous vectors, including terrorist attacks within the US perpetrated by Chinese, North Korean, and Iranian terrorists, Obama intends to complete his stranglehold on the country by asking for UN forces to keep the peace and suppress dissent. The irony is that those forces will be made up largely of our communist and Muslim enemies. I suppose we'll be busy fighting them too.

Obama's plan to set off an EMP last fall was thwarted by three brave flag and general officers of the United States military, men in charge of our nuclear security, who were subsequently fired from their positions when they refused to give Obama access to those weapons. According to Dr. Garrow, one of the weapons Obama tried to steal was detonated at sea in the Atlantic Ocean causing a 2.2 magnitude earthquake that was verified by the US Geological Survey. Two more weapons are still under the control of patriotic members of the United States military.

This exciting episode is one that you do not want to miss.


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Project Blue Beam


What Is The Blue Beam Project?- http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_bluebeam04.htm

Project Blue Beam By Serge Monast (1994)- http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml


Project Blue Beam of NASA- http://new-world-order-plan.org/nwo-plans/project-blue-beam/

TIS | HAARP & Blue Beam - http://truthisscary.com/curriculum/haarp-project-blue-beam/" target="_blank"> http://truthisscary.com/curriculum/haarp-project-blue-beam/









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« Reply #36 on: Jul 27th, 2014, 7:56pm »

on Jul 27th, 2014, 2:27pm, Oldtimer wrote:
Here is a video on the latest conspiracy theories and predictions floating around on YouTube about the Obama Administration and what is going on in the world. Have fun making fun of it; just take some notes about what they say and see if any of it actually happens. Enjoy.

The following is what is posted on YouTube about the following video.

Published on Mar 14, 2014

Ronald Reagan once famously wondered what would happen if the world were presented with the prospect of an alien invasion. It was Reagan's belief that humanity would be able to put aside all of their differences and come together to oppose such a common threat. We may soon see if he was correct.

If the accomplishments of the Obama administration can be summed up in three words, those words would be failure, scandal, and treason. The president and his toadies had to repeatedly lie to the people of the United States in order to pass the massive fail known as Obamacare, they have been lying to the American people and stonewalling Congress over what really happened in Benghazi for the last 18 months, and they are currently lying and/or pleading the fifth over the IRS's targeting of Tea Party groups. Let's not forget "Operation Fast and Furious," NSA spying on American citizens, the targeting of journalists, unconstitutional recess appointments, illegal military actions in Libya, and the unconstitutional and extrajudicial killings of Anwar al-Alawki, Samir Khan, and al-Alawki's 16-year-old son Abdulrahman who was killed in the CIA drone strike two weeks after his father for no particular reason.

Talk of impeachment is rampant in the halls of Congress, ordinary Americans are waking up all across the country; and they are angry. Even liberals are beginning to see the dangers posed by Barack Obama. Liberal constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley says that the United States is in a "constitutional crisis," and the ACLU has called Obama "judge, jury and executioner."

The last time there were anti-Obama protests in Washington DC, 1.8 million bikers roared through the town and patriots tore down the "Barrycades" that were preventing the nation's heroes from reaching their monuments; the ones that they earned with their sweat, their devotion to country, and their blood. When protesters started marching towards the White House Obama got into Marine One and fled the nation's capital. On May 16th millions of Americans are set to converge in Washington DC for Operation American Spring, and Obama can see the handwriting on the wall. He desperately needs a win to avoid impeachment and conviction by the Senate for high crimes and misdemeanors against the people of the United States.

According to former CIA spy Dr. Jim Garrow, Obama intends to quash all of the scandals plaguing his administration by announcing to the world that humanity has been in contact with extraterrestrials, and that he (Obama) has been selected to speak for humanity. Garrow says that this announcement will be timed to come after an imminent currency collapse orchestrated by Russia and China in a secret deal approved by Obama, who has not given up on his plans to wipe out up to 300 million Americans with an electromagnetic pulse - a triple threat from a POTUS known to double-down when his back is against the wall.

An EMP would send the US back to the 1800's without the infrastructure to support 314 million people. Overnight those people would be too busy trying to stay alive, too busy fighting hunger and disease to fight the absolute tyranny Obama and his masters seek to impose on the United States. With the nation crippled after attacks from numerous vectors, including terrorist attacks within the US perpetrated by Chinese, North Korean, and Iranian terrorists, Obama intends to complete his stranglehold on the country by asking for UN forces to keep the peace and suppress dissent. The irony is that those forces will be made up largely of our communist and Muslim enemies. I suppose we'll be busy fighting them too.

Obama's plan to set off an EMP last fall was thwarted by three brave flag and general officers of the United States military, men in charge of our nuclear security, who were subsequently fired from their positions when they refused to give Obama access to those weapons. According to Dr. Garrow, one of the weapons Obama tried to steal was detonated at sea in the Atlantic Ocean causing a 2.2 magnitude earthquake that was verified by the US Geological Survey. Two more weapons are still under the control of patriotic members of the United States military.

This exciting episode is one that you do not want to miss.




Sorry Oldtimer, but of all the conspiracy video's I've seen this one takes the cake as the most ludicrous. I agree Obama is a horrible president as bad or worse than Bush. But to think much less accuse him(Obama) of willing to murder 300 million American's with an EMP? I guess we must believe The Pentagon and military along with the Congress and Senate will go along with it? To quote Si Robertson: "Naw!"
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on Jul 27th, 2014, 7:56pm, GForce wrote:
Sorry Oldtimer, but of all the conspiracy video's I've seen this one takes the cake as the most ludicrous. I agree Obama is a horrible president as bad or worse than Bush. But to think much less accuse him(Obama) of willing to murder 300 million American's with an EMP? I guess we must believe The Pentagon and military along with the Congress and Senate will go along with it? To quote Si Robertson: "Naw!"



Like I said in the beginning it is out there but that was not the part I was focusing on but rather some of the other material covered within it. That is why I said to just make some notes on the overall predictions it was making because I knew it would be easy to lose track of the individual trees because the forest seemed so wild and dark. Of that you will get no argument from me. One example was the mention of Project Blue Beam which I covered in the separate post. You can find some quite interesting subjects to research when you sift through some pretty wild videos at least I do. There are a lot of hidden kernels of truth in the chaff of life and you can only find them by taking them time to search them out. If yo do more Internet searches on Project Blue Beam you will find a very interesting history and theories surrounding it. If someone wants to sell you a counterfeit of something it has to at least have elements of the truth in it or you will recognize it as a fake from the start and reject it. To me that is what this video was about; sifting through the chaff for the aspects that are truthful and rejecting the false parts. Most people either can't or won't take the time.

Project Blue Beam is about the U.S. Government developing advanced technology enabling them to project false images that can allow the U.S. Government to do mass control of citizens without their knowledge or consent. A useful invention if used in an ethical manner.




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on Jul 27th, 2014, 9:12pm, Oldtimer wrote:
Like I said in the beginning it is out there but that was not the part I was focusing on but rather some of the other material covered within it. That is why I said to just make some notes on the overall predictions it was making because I knew it would be easy to lose track of the individual trees because the forest seemed so wild and dark. Of that you will get no argument from me. One example was the mention of Project Blue Beam which I covered in the separate post. You can find some quite interesting subjects to research when you sift through some pretty wild videos at least I do. There are a lot of hidden kernels of truth in the chaff of life and you can only find them by taking them time to search them out. If yo do more Internet searches on Project Blue Beam you will find a very interesting history and theories surrounding it. If someone wants to sell you a counterfeit of something it has to at least have elements of the truth in it or you will recognize it as a fake from the start and reject it. To me that is what this video was about; sifting through the chaff for the aspects that are truthful and rejecting the false parts. Most people either can't or won't take the time.

Project Blue Beam is about the U.S. Government developing advanced technology enabling them to project false images that can allow the U.S. Government to do mass control of citizens without their knowledge or consent. A useful invention if used in an ethical manner.






Hi Oldtimer, it was hard to overlook the obvious message in the video about the massive loss of life from a EMP and that is why I commented on it. However t would not surprise me to see President Obama or any President claim to represent mankind should contact ever be made public.

Since I have not had the time to watch the Project Blue Beam I can only blindly comment on them. My first thought was the Our Lady of Fatima sightings. I will have to watch some of the videos to garner a better opinion.
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All these bizarre gubbermint conspiracy theories just make me roll my eyes and sigh. Again one more reason why no one takes the whole ufo enigma seriously.

BTW...Mr Obama only has 1 year and 5 months left in his term. He better get going if he's got an 'alien' agenda or the next politician will be elected.

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on Jul 28th, 2014, 09:22am, drwu23 wrote:
All these bizarre gubbermint conspiracy theories just make me roll my eyes and sigh. Again one more reason why no one takes the whole ufo enigma seriously.

BTW...Mr Obama only has 1 year and 5 months left in his term. He better get going if he's got an 'alien' agenda or the next politician will be elected.

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Again one who fails to listen to what I have said and prefers to focus on the forest rather than the trees as I suggested. Take the blue pill.
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You will find much more value to what I post if you try to understand I approach ,study and evaluate information from many sources that varies widely in terms of reliability, and often it is conflicting or incomplete. I try to develop meaningful and usable assessments from all of those sources. Often this is like putting together the pieces of a puzzle, received at different times from different places, to form a picture that is complete enough to comprehend even when some pieces are still missing. Many of you want easy to understand spoon fed data and this field does not lend itself to such often so you fall back upon ridicule rather than trying to understand a complex subject.

An analyst most look at a very wide range of information in order to try to gather as complete a picture as possible being as objective as possible. I say to everyone here all the time don't take what I or anyone tells you about anything at face value but do your own research. Blanket denials of validity are not anymore helpful than those that worship this phenomena as they are both made out of lack of knowledge and a lack of will to try to understand it.

I have repeadly stated, anyone delving into this field must be careful as there is an extreme amount of delusion and deception involved in it and yet I keep hearing these charges as if they have never been mentioned before so I again state them.

Objectivity is a two way street. It requires openess to the positve and negative aspects of discovers made being equaly expressed to the public however this has not and is not what happens if an honest evaluation is made. Where is the Objectivity?
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on Jul 28th, 2014, 10:01am, Oldtimer wrote:
Again one who fails to listen to what I have said and prefers to focus on the forest rather than the trees as I suggested. Take the blue pill.


Oldtimer, with all due respect because you do bring up some interesting topics the analogy of focusing on the trees and not the forest is impossible. Especially when you have claims such as Obama willing to kill hundreds of millions of Americans. It is such an outrageous claim that it can't be overlooked and it also casts doubt on whatever information that person may say rightfully or wrongly. Credibility is everything!

I can appreciate that you evaluate, study and maybe even vet the reliability of a witness. However for those of us who don't have hours to spend going over material...videos we have to make a quick judgment on a video instead of wasting hours watching something that goes against our beliefs.

As for being spoon fed? I tend to think of it as getting to the crux of the matter. I think the delusion comes within the message. It's hard to overlook and quite honestly shouldn't be overlooked. For me credibility is everything.

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on Jul 28th, 2014, 10:01am, Oldtimer wrote:
Again one who fails to listen to what I have said and prefers to focus on the forest rather than the trees as I suggested. Take the blue pill.

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on Jul 28th, 2014, 10:42am, Oldtimer wrote:
You will find much more value to what I post if you try to understand I approach ,study and evaluate information from many sources that varies widely in terms of reliability, and often it is conflicting or incomplete. I try to develop meaningful and usable assessments from all of those sources. Often this is like putting together the pieces of a puzzle, received at different times from different places, to form a picture that is complete enough to comprehend even when some pieces are still missing. Many of you want easy to understand spoon fed data and this field does not lend itself to such often so you fall back upon ridicule rather than trying to understand a complex subject.

An analyst most look at a very wide range of information in order to try to gather as complete a picture as possible being as objective as possible. I say to everyone here all the time don't take what I or anyone tells you about anything at face value but do your own research. Blanket denials of validity are not anymore helpful than those that worship this phenomena as they are both made out of lack of knowledge and a lack of will to try to understand it.

I have repeadly stated, anyone delving into this field must be careful as there is an extreme amount of delusion and deception involved in it and yet I keep hearing these charges as if they have never been mentioned before so I again state them.

Objectivity is a two way street. It requires openess to the positve and negative aspects of discovers made being equaly expressed to the public however this has not and is not what happens if an honest evaluation is made. Where is the Objectivity?


You know when you make statements like that you come off sounding like a megalomaniac.
And since when have you ever been 'objective' on this forum? Everything you have posted is from your personal subjective belief system.
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