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« Reply #15 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 08:56am »

Layla,

...If I were awake and hit by a truck, then it would be those dreaming that I was dead who would find me... How would one know that if I died during a dream that someone else in another time or place is finding me dead in their dream?

Sorry, you've lost me there.

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« Reply #16 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 4:08pm »

on Jun 16th, 2012, 07:35am, Layla wrote:
Hello HAL9000

If I were awake and hit by a truck, then it would be those dreaming that I was dead who would find me... How would one know that if I died during a dream that someone else in another time or place is finding me dead in their dream?

There are those that defy all the accepted laws of nature.... like in the link I provided in an earlier post.... and there are more than one of those types of people.

It is true that we are made of particles or waves of energy.... are those waves of energy controlled by our beliefs and fears?

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Hello Layla. I'm beginnig to think that to your mind dreams, similar to our reality, are like dimensions/alternate worlds. Each dimension then has a reality of its own, as does Space-Time, the place where HAL9000 fears getting hit by speeding trucks (not unreasonably so, by the way).

Using common sense (Earth-sense) I do believe we can differentiate between dreams and this reality.

But I tend to agree they each could be different versions of reality. I had the privilege of working with a dream mentor for a year. All the guy did was making sure I immediately recorded each dream I could, night by night. Life changing experience, because my dreams conveyed to me I really was alive, really existed, however strange this sounds. So my 2 Eurocents worth is that dreams are very important to us here.


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« Reply #17 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 9:36pm »

Just a quick side note, but what about the Aborigines who believe that the dream world is the real world, and it is this one which was created by the mind?

Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?

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« Reply #18 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 11:09pm »

Good point Icepick, matter of fact I read an article the other day that mentions Australian aboriginal beliefs.

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/quantum-dream-portals-and-extraterrestrial-realities

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Just a quick side note, but what about the Aborigines who believe that the dream world is the real world, and it is this one which was created by the mind?

Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?

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« Reply #19 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 11:15pm »

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Layla,

...If I were awake and hit by a truck, then it would be those dreaming that I was dead who would find me... How would one know that if I died during a dream that someone else in another time or place is finding me dead in their dream?

Sorry, you've lost me there.

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Hello Layla. I'm beginnig to think that to your mind dreams, similar to our reality, are like dimensions/alternate worlds. Each dimension then has a reality of its own, as does Space-Time, the place where HAL9000 fears getting hit by speeding trucks (not unreasonably so, by the way).

Using common sense (Earth-sense) I do believe we can differentiate between dreams and this reality.

But I tend to agree they each could be different versions of reality. I had the privilege of working with a dream mentor for a year. All the guy did was making sure I immediately recorded each dream I could, night by night. Life changing experience, because my dreams conveyed to me I really was alive, really existed, however strange this sounds. So my 2 Eurocents worth is that dreams are very important to us here.


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Hello Hal and Purr

The answer lays hidden in the first couple of posts.... if there are those that can defy the accepted laws of nature, then what is reality? Is reality such because we believe so strongly that it is? There are literally thousands and thousands of reports showing us that reality is not what we think it is........ Quantum theory in fact says that it is very, very different.

Apart from spontaneous healing, there are other strange reports that have been made by the thousands down through the years. One such report is on the link I provided earlier where the policeman reported seeing a man climb out of a speeding car... skid, bump and roll along the road for 75 yards then stop along the center divider. The policeman stopped and ran to the man lying unconscious with his clothes in tatters. He checked that he was still breathing and had a pulse.

Later the man got up and walked to the policeman who was calling for help and said.... “You can’t die unless you want to die”. He then climbed back into the car that had backed up and got in and the car drove away. There are other similar reports of that nature too. These sorts of reports are telling us that the reality we think we experience is not what it appears to be.

The act of bringing a material object out of a dream shows that dreams are just as real as reality. So then it holds true that this reality is a dream too.....

Another indication is synchronicity.... the more aligned a person becomes with the superconsciousness, the more they experience synchronicity; thoughts are mirrored right back. We can think in dreams and the dream shifts instantly.... we think in reality and experience synchronicity. From the many reports I have read it appears to me that the more aligned a person becomes with the superconsciousness the things they can do tend to appear magical and immortal to others.

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« Reply #20 on: Jun 17th, 2012, 1:33pm »

Icepick,

...Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?..

It seems that usually they do. But if they didn't you would never know why they died.

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« Reply #21 on: Jun 17th, 2012, 1:43pm »

on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:33pm, HAL9000 wrote:
Icepick,

...Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?..

It seems that usually they do. But if they didn't you would never know why they died.

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A lot of people do die in their sleep! I've awaken will a pulse rate around 150. I know I checked it. Of course being chased in a jungle by lions or mayans will do that do you! grin
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« Reply #22 on: Jun 17th, 2012, 1:49pm »

on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:33pm, HAL9000 wrote:
Icepick,

...Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?..

It seems that usually they do. But if they didn't you would never know why they died.

HAL


Oy, does that statement bring back some harsh memories! Back in the 60's, I had a neighbor who had lived through the Holocaust! Been in both the Polish Ghetto and two concentration camps!

When I first moved in I would wake up some nights hearing him scream! He would wake up and then get dressed and leave the apartment to walk around and gather his thoughts! It could be 3AM and we would here him close his door and walk away. One morning he came to my door and apologized for any disturbance. I told him to forget about it and deal with it as needed. I totally understood. We would talk sometimes and he told many stories of his life! He was an engineer by trade! He was in his 70's then! I lived there for two years and about three months after I left, I heard he had died in his sleep. I always wondered if it was those nightmares that stopped his heart. He had lost twelve members of his immediate family. Some in the Polish Ghetto and some in Birkinau! He had witnessed many of their deaths! He was the last of his family!

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« Reply #23 on: Jun 17th, 2012, 2:05pm »

Lone,

It may have done. But he was getting old, so maybe it was just natural.

I guess he's at peace now.

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« Reply #24 on: Jun 17th, 2012, 2:10pm »

GForce,

..Of course being chased in a jungle by lions or mayans will do that do you!..

I've found that being chased down a motorway by a seven foot roller skating Zulu who was swinging a multicoloured python around his head has a similar effect.

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« Reply #25 on: Jun 17th, 2012, 6:37pm »

on Jun 17th, 2012, 1:33pm, HAL9000 wrote:
Icepick,

...Hal, what about the instance of a person with a weak heart? Would they be able to survive such a harsh shock in their dreams?..

It seems that usually they do. But if they didn't you would never know why they died.

HAL


Very true Hal. I was just wondering about the possibility. I have seen people do amazing things unbelievable enough that mind over matter is the only possible explanation. We may all be both right and wrong on this topic, simply because the powers of the human mind are something so foreign and mysterious to us that scientists are only now beginning to spot the phenomena of such in a manner they can address in a scientific manner.

We now know just enough to realize that the human mind does possess some sort of fantastic abilities. But our positive knowledge doesn't go any further, does it? Might this be a bit of evolution in progress?

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« Reply #26 on: Jun 17th, 2012, 11:42pm »

Hello smiley

From the literally thousands of reports of high strangeness..... if one takes the time to read them realises that reality is not what it appears to be, and that truth is in fact stranger than fiction. If reports of odd disappearances and reappearances, bilocation, being hit by a truck and getting up and walking away, apports and asports, spontaneous healing and all manner of other unusual phenomena doesn’t give us pause to think deeper on the nature of reality, then what will? And dare I even mention the illusive nature of UFOs....


What if it’s just a matter of what we are taught from birth.... to focus our attention more outward instead of inwards? There have been many down through the ages that have pointed the way..... It seems to me the greatest hurdle to understanding just what we are and using our natural abilities is FEAR. Carl Jung, referred to the “superconscious mind. ” He felt that the collective wisdom and knowledge of all the ages was contained in the superconscious mind and was available to everyone. Our superconscious mind can access every piece of information stored in our conscious and subconscious minds. It can also access data and ideas outside our own experience, because it actually lies outside our human mind. This is why it is called a form of universal or infinite intelligence.

Today life coaches tell us to visualize what we desire.... is this not like altering a dream as in a lucid dream? I have tried the visualization and it does work, sometimes it appears like magic. So if we can focus our minds on something and have it come into being, how does that make this life real and a lucid dream just a dream? If anyone can bring a material object out of a dream, then dreams are as real as this life.

I believe there is evolution in progress, and is this not the time that many believe change will happen? Apocalypse means “lifting of the veil”.... The veil from my understanding that is being spoken of is the “veil over our eyes....” being caught like that deer in the headlights of a car...”the glamour.” Lifting the veil to me means awakening to the greater reality, of who we are and our natural abilities; our birthright. These abilities however must never be used to harm or gain advantage over another.... the natural laws of cause and effect are always operating.

Please do not assign me to the funny farm.... because I was brought up to believe as well that if I walk in front of a truck I will be harmed, but if I die it does not mean I die in other realities of which I am also a part. I have a questioning mind.... and realise that there is far more to this life than we are lead to believe and seek answers to these riddles. I believe we have a choice; we can either fall back into being that deer in the headlights of a car out of fear, or we can search for the meaning of what the highly strange reports are showing/telling us.

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« Reply #27 on: Jun 18th, 2012, 01:02am »

Fear not Layla. I'm from the Appalachian Highlands where we are taught to be very much in touch with this alternate side of ourselves.

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« Reply #28 on: Jun 19th, 2012, 6:01pm »

Layla,
To which Sai Baba do you refer, the original or the self proclaimed re-boot?
The first was a simple Muslim/ Hindu holy man who had no use for posessions or wealth. The second was the Jim Jones of his times and lived to create a very well run and wealthy empire of religious followers.
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on Jun 19th, 2012, 6:01pm, skizicks wrote:
Layla,
To which Sai Baba do you refer, the original or the self proclaimed re-boot?
The first was a simple Muslim/ Hindu holy man who had no use for posessions or wealth. The second was the Jim Jones of his times and lived to create a very well run and wealthy empire of religious followers.


Yes, and both were very much cult leaders which can be dangerous. As Jones was only too happy to prove.

Don't get me wrong. I try to not pass judgment on cults. But I do worry about the mindset of the leaders of such. You never know how crooked that road might get. Remember that guy in Oregon during the 1980s?

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