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« Reply #30 on: Jan 18th, 2015, 07:22am »

on Jan 17th, 2015, 1:29pm, ZETAR wrote:
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YEAH ~ I QUITE AGREE! ONE MUST...IMHO...PUSH THEIR MIND TO INCORPORATE THAT/THOSE DREAM AQUISITIONS WHILE FULLY CONSCIOUS RATHER THAN RELYING ON THE SUB-CONSCIOUS/REM STAGE AS A TRIGGER TO SUCH REALMS...LIKE ANY MUSCLE (THE MIND) THE MORE IT IS EXERCISED...WELL...YOU GET MY POINT.

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MY QUESTION TO YOU AND ANCIENT CONTACT ~ WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WERE CHOSEN TO ENCOUNTER VARIOUS ENTITIES? WHAT MIGHT BE THAT COMMON DENOMINATOR?

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« Reply #31 on: Jan 18th, 2015, 11:44am »

on Jan 16th, 2015, 3:44pm, INT21 wrote:
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..If not Afterlife, what did you mean by the term?..

Tricky one. How to start ?

Let's begin by removing all forms of organised religion from the equation. Let us disregard deities with flowing beards and visions of heaven replete with unsullied maidens. Things floating around playing musical instruments and beings who look remarkably like ancient Greeks who tend to sit around on mountain tops bored out of their skulls and spend an inordinate amount of time plotting inter god family squabbles while holding an unhealthy interest in their sons and daughters.


Ok, we have an empty space.

At this point it would be quite easy to say 'if you believe in what is generally called an after life, bring on your proof. Show me the experiment that I can preform to show that you are right'. But I know you can't. No one can. A bit like the ufo.

However.

There does seem to be plenty of things happening that do indicate that there is something going on that we cannot measure or detect. People see odd things. Hear odd things. Strange things happen. And it is on a scale that is very hard to deny.

So, if there is something else that we are perceiving., it has to be coming from somewhere. An undetectable somewhere.

The people in the ultra cold that I mentioned had been in this state for hours. With body core temperatures far below that which induced hypothermia. They had been flat lining for hours. Technically they were dead.

Yet they were brought back.

Now, if their brains were dead. Where was their personality ? It can't have been in the dead brain, which was showing no activity.

This is what I mean by another realm. For something to be returned, it had first to leave and go somewhere, then come back.

I suspect that there is a whole section of knowledge we simply do not have access to.

Not Carolnistri's rather crude demons. or the things out of horror movies.

It is very hard for me to explain what I am thinking here.

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p.s. you more or less got it with...

...These panoramic, dramatic, emotional and often life altering reports, which cannot be attributed to a brain in flatline, beg the question if they originate in another reality, somewhere out of time and space...


Hi HAL/INT21, I have no problem with approaching the afterlife question empirically, with a blank slate, except that this very departure point, the sum of human biology and neurology tends to place 'strange' experiences, meeting the odd ghost, remembering a past life or talking to angels and your great-great-grandfather in paradise during an NDE as inexplicable or downright delusional. We're supposed to be chimps that climbed out of trees, right?

Seconds after you throw it all out, thousands of years of superstition, shamanism, spirituality and religion come flowing back in because these are the ways man has dealt with this weird and scary phenomenon, to wit, endless 'things that go bump in the night'!

And when we scare, it's so comforting to pray, to Ancestors, to the Gods, to Jesus, Buddha or Allah.


From ghoulies and ghosties
And long-leggedy beasties
And things that go bump in the night,
Good Lord, deliver us!


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I understand there are reasons why you approach this subject as open minded as you do. You too observed there's stuff outside of the normal. And you're rationally wondering how it's caused.

I lived my own experience. Some years ago, while one holiday, I spent the night on top of a volcano, and I dreamt of a family member asking me a specific question. The individual in question did ask this question, two years later, and when they did, I had had two years to formulate the right answer. (The dream was apparently 'out of time'.)

Possible cause: there are realities outside of our own that exchange information with ours.

Any thoughts?


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« Reply #32 on: Jan 18th, 2015, 1:52pm »

There are good arguments for reincarnation.

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« Reply #33 on: Jan 18th, 2015, 4:41pm »

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...Seconds after you throw it all out, thousands of years of superstition, shamanism, spirituality and religion come flowing back in because these are the ways man has dealt with this weird and scary phenomenon, to wit, endless 'things that go bump in the night'!


This is the problem. Non of these allow a way to explore what really is happening. No experiments can be set up to replicate the experience.
There are experiments that show that powerful magnetic field scan make you feel 'strange'. but these fields are not normally linked to the common reports.

We have to be able to say 'if we do this and this, and maybe this, such and such a thing will happen'. And we need to be able to do it on demand.

..And when we scare, it's so comforting to pray, to Ancestors, to the Gods, to Jesus, Buddha or Allah....

However, an cold analysis shows that these prayers are never answered. How could they be ?

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« Reply #34 on: Jan 18th, 2015, 4:46pm »

...Possible cause: there are realities outside of our own that exchange information with ours.

Any thoughts?..
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It would seem to be the obvious case. But there are no ways to act with these realities.

I have had at least half a dozen odd happenings.

I just accept them as that. I know they happened. But that doesn't get us any closer.

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« Reply #35 on: Jan 18th, 2015, 8:01pm »

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BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND! grin

I THINK YOU >>>GET IT<<< wink

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fate
/fāt/

noun: fate; plural noun: Fates; plural noun: the Fates
1. the development of events beyond a person's control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power.

2. Greek & Roman Mythology
the three goddesses who preside over the birth and life of humans. Each person's destiny was thought of as a thread spun, measured, and cut by the three Fates, Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropos.

verb
1. be destined to happen, turn out, or act in a particular way.

BUT BACK AT THE HAL'S CAVERN ~ AND AS I AWAITED SUCH DATA TO BE PROCESSED BY...

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I'M CONTEMPLATING MY APPROACH TO THE ENLIGHTENED ~ BRITON ~ ONE...I'M SURE IT WILL BE QUITE INTERESTING...BUT FIRST ~ GOT ONE FOR YA...TWO KNIGHTS RIDE TO TOWN (VILLAGE I'M GUESSING grin ~ HAMLET MIGHT SUIT SIR HAL )...BOTH ON THE SAME HORSE...

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BOB DYLAN (ROBERT ZIMMERMAN) AND JIMI HENDRIX I THINK EXPRESS SUCH IN AN ECLECTIC MANNER...

ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER...

THERE MUST BE SOME KINDA WAY OUTTA HERE...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJV81mdj1ic

[Verse 3]
All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants, too

[Verse 4]
Outside in the distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
The wind began to howl
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« Reply #36 on: Jan 18th, 2015, 9:17pm »

HAL,

TO WIT,

"It would seem to be the obvious case. But there are no ways to act with these realities.

I have had at least half a dozen odd happenings.

I just accept them as that. I know they happened. But that doesn't get us any closer."

ALLUDING TO YOUR FIRST SENTENCE ~ IS THIS AN ASSUMPTION OF YOURS OR A FOREGONE CONCLUSION IN YOUR MIND ~ THE OLE COINCIDENCE FACTOR...AND WHAT IF YOU COULD INFLUENCE EVENTS? grin...SPEAKING AS A ROSICRUCIAN IN SEARCH OF PERFECTION...

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NAHHHHH...SUCH WOULD REQUIRE FAITH IN SOMETHING BEYOND ONES ANTHROPOCENTRIC EXISTENCE. NOW HAVING SAID THE AFOREMENTIONED ~ AND ~ YOU KNOW MY RESPECT FOR YOUR INTELLECT AND INDEED INSIGHTS AND INDUBITABLY YOUR DISTASTE FOR A COSMIC EXISTENCE BEYOND MAN ~ WHERE WOULD THIS PLANET BE WITHOUT A >>>GOD<<< (YEAH I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE GOOD ~ THE BAD ~ AND UGLY ATTRIBUTES OF RELIGION AND HOW IT HAS BEEN OFTEN RELIGIO-JACKED FOR $$$-POWER-CONTROL SO SPARE ME ON SUCH RECITATION(S) ) ~ NEVERTHELESS >>>WHAT SOCIAL CONTRACTS/RULE OF LAW/HUMAN RIGHTS/MANIFEST DESTINTY/SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT/SOCIAL COHESION CAME FROM BEING A NON-THEIST<<< rolleyes

CAUTION...WHAT SAY YOU?...I'LL GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD...OR...WILL I smiley

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« Reply #37 on: Jan 20th, 2015, 06:56am »

on Jan 18th, 2015, 4:46pm, INT21 wrote:
...Possible cause: there are realities outside of our own that exchange information with ours.

Any thoughts?..
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It would seem to be the obvious case. But there are no ways to act with these realities.

I have had at least half a dozen odd happenings.

I just accept them as that. I know they happened. But that doesn't get us any closer.

HAL
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I agree knowledge fails to (fully) close the gap, INT21/HAL. My personal life solution has been the occasional leap of faith. (Gotta take some chances, live dangerously, or you haven't lived at all!)

(This does not prevent me from rational thinking, using healthy skepsis and being occasionally set straight by the facts.)

Can you think of any odd download that would upgrade your performance?


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« Reply #38 on: Jan 20th, 2015, 12:58pm »

...Can you think of any odd download that would upgrade your performance?..

Afraid not. I mean, the 9000 series is the crown of creation, improve upon perfection ? Something of an oxymoron, wouldn't you agree ?

And if the person who just said 'change to Windows 8' would like to step outside and check the Earth link antenna....

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« Reply #39 on: Jan 20th, 2015, 1:10pm »

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...NEVERTHELESS >>>WHAT SOCIAL CONTRACTS/RULE OF LAW/HUMAN RIGHTS/MANIFEST DESTINTY/SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT/SOCIAL COHESION CAME FROM BEING A NON-THEIST

WE'LL NEVER KNOW.

AND I HARDLY NEED REMIND YOU THAT OUR GREATEST PROBLEMS AT THE MOMENT ARE (AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN) CAUSED BY THEISTS OF ONE DENOMINATION OR ANOTHER.

THERE IS A SICKNESS THAT MANIFESTS ITSELF IN THEISTS (NOT ALL) THAT SEEMS TO BE ABSENT IN ATHEISTS.

IT SEEMS TO BE EXPRESSED BY THE PHRASE 'IT IS WRITTEN'. WHEN SOME DOG DROPPING UTTERS THESE WORDS THE REST OF HIS PARTICULAR BELIEF IMMEDIATELY SWITCH OFF ALL LOGICAL FACULTIES.

YOU CAN SEE WHY THE PREFERRED POSITION FOR WORSHIP IS WITH YOUR HEAD ON THE GROUND AND YOUR ARSE IN THE AIR,
IT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER FOR CLERICS TO SCREW THEM; METAPHORICALLY, OF COURSE.

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« Reply #40 on: Jan 20th, 2015, 1:12pm »

Apologies to Purr, who's thread seems to have wandered of the straight and narrow.

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HAL-LELU-JAH grin

ONE CAN IMAGINE SUCH TOPICS ARE FINGERNAILS ON THE CHALK BOARD TO SOME LESS TOLERANT THAN YOU ~ YOU'RE CONSISTANCY ~ AND THAT 5% OF OPENESS REFERENCEING >>>grinEM COINCIDENCES<<< I SEE THERE REMAINS A SLIVER OF UNCERTAINTY rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

I COULD IMAGINE ENGLAND AND SUCH POLARIZATION (THOSE PESKY THEISTS) ~ THERE SEEMS TO BE THAT SHARIA MOVEMENT WHICH HAS TAKEN ON A NEW MEANING TO ATTEMPT TO SELL THIS IN SPECIFIC ENCLAVES... grin

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NEVERTHELESS ~ FISH N CHIPS IS/SHOULD STILL SEEING A PROFIT...

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« Reply #42 on: Jan 20th, 2015, 1:59pm »

We are such need for the answer to the question, "what happens when we die".

We do not know because never one has ever come back from the other side in our physical form.

When I see the full moon, I feel like it is very mystical !

A full moon is a sign that there is an answer to death.

The full moon goes through many cultures as being special.

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« Reply #43 on: Jan 20th, 2015, 2:21pm »

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...We are such need for the answer to the question, "what happens when we die"...

No need for an answer.

Whatever it is it will happen to us all.

Then we will know; or we won't.

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« Reply #44 on: Jan 20th, 2015, 2:27pm »

ZETAR,

LEMON ON FISH AND CHIPS ?

MUST BE A SOUTHERN AFFECTATION.

FISH AND CHIPS ARE NOW TOO EXPENSIVE FOR POOR BOYS LIKE MYSELF TO EAT EXCEPT AS A LUXURY TREAT.

3.10 ($4.65) LAST TIME I LOOKED.

I CAN ONLY DREAM OF CODS GONE BY; DAYS OF HADDOCKS PAST.

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