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xx Re: Drone-Like UFO Photographed in Holland, 2007
« Reply #31 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 6:40pm »

I will add some comments here that I think need to be said.

When I first was contacted by Ruud, he made no claims whatsover, the terms UFO or drone were never used. He and I never discussed nor even mentioned either of the two. I never asked him about the drones. It was I who first used the phrase, "drone-like " simply because that was the first thing that came to mind. What should I have called it?

Ruud originally sent me one photograph, told me about how the took the pictures, and simply asked me if I knew what it was. He did not even mention to me, nor ask me to post the photograph. I don't know if he even expected that it would be put on the Casebook.

After I took a good look at the photo, I thought it was interesting, and asked him if he would send me some more, and he responded by sending two more.

The only think he asked me was "Do you have any idea what that thing might be?" I told him I did not, but that we would work on finding out.

I knew as soon as the photos were posted on the Casebook, that I would get swamped with email, and I did. About 75%, (an estimate), has run positive.

I do not know what it is, and I have never said what it is, and neither has Ruud. I am sure that if he knew he was going to be run through the mud, he would probably just kept them to himself. I was reluctant myself, but felt they should be posted for all to see.

It is ashamed that the Petten photos are grouped with the drones of 2007. They, as far as I know, have no relation to them, but there is a physical resemblance.

Personally, I can say that I believe that Ruud's photographs are real photographs. Frankly, I don't give a damn what anyone else says. If I did, I would have quit this business years ago.

I receive about 50 photographs a week to look at, and I can pretty much tell a hoax when I see one, but when I do, I don't run down the person who sent the photo. I just don't post it, but sometimes, I am not sure what a specific object might be.

If I only post what "I" think are real, then I am the only person who will ever see certain photos.

I stand behind Ruud, and I'm not looking to discredit him. He came to me in good faith, and things just got out of hand. I hope this doesn't turn him completely away from the study of UFOs.

Hang in there Ruud...

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xx Re: Drone-Like UFO Photographed in Holland, 2007
« Reply #32 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 6:50pm »

Hello Neveleeleven,

You have asked interesting questions.
I will see if I can answer them.
It was impossible to see if there was anybody who was holding a string. The distance was way to far.
I did take some pictures the same day with my camera. It was with another lens. However last year we went to Malasya and I used my 300 mm lens more often. I can send you some pics. It is a 100/300m.m sigma lens with autofocus. Perhaps you can find some simularities what can declare your questions about the use of my camera.
However the woldoff kite as shown could be an option.
Though it has to be a large kite.

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« Reply #33 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 6:54pm »

Thanks BJ Booth, I needed that one.
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« Reply #34 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 7:27pm »

whats up ruud; i two think you are sincere about wanting to find out what it is you saw, i think i was one of the first ones to identify your photo with the drones. i have seen many ufo,s the last one was the one photograph during the last shuttle lunch. finally you know what amazes me so much about the drones i had a dream about them or it before i ever saw it on ufo casebook.welcome if your picture turn out not to be the real thing don't worry,you know as much as i have told here or wrote about my experiences i cant prove not a darn one yet my word is my bond. cool grin cool
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xx Re: Drone-Like UFO Photographed in Holland, 2007
« Reply #35 on: Apr 16th, 2009, 03:37am »

http://www.blueskylark.org/zoo/single/cell/index.html
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http://www.aeolian.co.uk/kites/kites02/basingstoke.html
http://www.veronica.tug.com/
http://www.designkites.com/stack/kalender.php list of Holland festivals with pix, Verslagen, cervia, hague, etc..
hundreds of incredible designs

I noted in the slide there was never a rotation, and appendages stayed fixed. I am inclined to kite, just that the design to mimic bee struck me. If anything has bee true to a drone bee its this one imo. I and several colleagues were very worriend Holland was going to be attacked! cheesy joking here okay?

Can you remember if you were facing north? or south?
The wind blows west to east, or south east there then it makes sense it fits kite. Looks like you were slighly north of it, and the thing was as you said east of Pellen.

I just woke up, paid taxes late here, I missed deadline, and they were high as a kite! (pun intended)
Not a good day for me.

The benefit Ruud, even if not a flying spaceship is this.

You have done us a great service because, we never knew how many types of flying kites, and even balloons existed out there that mimic the very ufo shapes often reported at those and greater distances.
Its important we get those images in our head, if only to rule them out later, when all the data is complete.
Thats what makes your participation and observations, as to where standing, distance , time of day, etc as well as camera info so critical.
So we are very impressed with you, and sincerely like the help your are giving here.
we will solve this together, my friend, and it will help manypeople in the future. If you do see some actual kites that are unusual and are close up, please send those in so we can have an inventory for comparison with future reports too.
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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xx Re: Drone-Like UFO Photographed in Holland, 2007
« Reply #36 on: Apr 16th, 2009, 07:39am »

Looking at the EXIF data, here is the time line:

DSC_0731.jpg 2007:09:08 18:16:48.90
DSC_0732.jpg 2007:09:08 18:17:04.90
DSC_0733.jpg 2007:09:08 18:17:08.90
DSC_0734.jpg 2007:09:08 18:17:12.80
DSC_0735.jpg 2007:09:08 18:20:12.90
DSC_0736.jpg 2007:09:08 18:20:51.00
DSC_0737.jpg 2007:09:08 18:20:55.70
DSC_0738.jpg 2007:09:08 18:21:06.40
DSC_0739.jpg 2007:09:08 18:21:10.80
DSC_0740.jpg 2007:09:08 18:21:18.70
DSC_0741.jpg 2007:09:08 18:21:19.40
DSC_0742.jpg 2007:09:08 18:21:19.80
DSC_0743.jpg 2007:09:08 18:21:39.30

About 4 minutes and 51 seconds from start to finish.

The movement of the object is similar to a kite and it moves around in a very limited area of the photos like a kite.

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The general shape of the object in very much like the Waldorf kite that 1111 and Quincy mentions.



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There are variations on the kite.


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Ruud, a kite would be my choice as to what you saw.

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xx Re: Drone-Like UFO Photographed in Holland, 2007
« Reply #37 on: Apr 16th, 2009, 12:05pm »

Ruud,

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If not, what is an intersecting streets So I can get better fix on pole.
Thanks many!
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« Reply #38 on: Apr 16th, 2009, 1:26pm »

Hello Quincy.

The exact location where we were fishing is
52*45'35.67"N
4*40'05.70 E

That is on google earth.
The water is green, not blue, I think because of the water plants.
You can see I went through the bushes and could go fishing.

Regards Ruud

The object I guess is somewhere above at 52*45'13.97"N and
4*40'53.87"E .
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« Reply #39 on: Apr 16th, 2009, 1:51pm »

ahh ok great, I had gotten this in meantime..will redo.
Gracias!
I knew Netherlands was pretty, but good googly D, I want to go there! Are you sure you are not touris operator? ehh..kidding!!
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« Reply #40 on: Apr 16th, 2009, 2:50pm »

I was close then, good. I see bushes you said you and your wife went through. cheesy okay some where 1 km to west /south west should be pole, then km more or less the spot object sighted. I will look around smiley,

Burgerviotbrug, that must the village you mentioned.
Isn't that where a UFO was reported before? that lifted a large tractor trailer, with its tractor beam and set it on top of a small bridge almost making it collapse. I looked at the extraction operation, and everyone was very calm. The driver did look a little shaken though.
But...I'm not convinced,
Personally I think he made the story up to the police, so his boss would not fire him for driving drunk, or it could be a clever cover story for recovery of an alien artifact in the truck. You will note The appearance of a helicopter removing( lets be conservative, and just say )"something", and an "unmarked" white vehicle in the background . Highly unusual I would think for just a simple truck stuck, supposedly carrying "lettuce" to market. smiley
Well... think its about time, we had a "little talk" with the burgemeester, don't you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYxA2yGPFBI
Okay, Now I am serious.. cheesy
Just using very rough ratios of pixels to feet to distance , a 6ft kite at 10 ft might show up as 220 pixels using my screen capture measure. at 125 ft 28 pixels, and at 2km =11289ft 11.4 pixels well within rage of , not particularly huge, but medium to large l kite. I get 9 pixels on your foto without zooming. so 6-8 ft, as my calculations got 11.4 ,is not out of the question..Of course its alll perspective, and it could have appeared huge to you. You had put it aside, no big deal, and most likely tried to recall what happened, ..time went by..
you then went by what the camera said. perfectly normal and expected, and honest. And even the huge, is not abmormal..recollection is like that.
Absolutely no intent to deceive. The measurements, disagree a bit, it all rough, but in the ballpark for a medium to large size kite. These things I am sure everyone has seen now can be huge, especially with team competions for design, some even stackable to nth degree. But its only the recollection after the fact, that tends to do these things..absolutely normal.
Without your help and data, we couldnt say too much, that it would be a big question mark with lots of little ones around it.
The only thing here , it was not huge, just medium to big.
IMO, You're good to go.
You are a darn good witness!!
Regards to You and Yours.
If you ever get around to it because its almost impossible to see on google earth, like the windmills I know are ther but can't see them on that canal, just one, and there are a few! The left yellow pin is you and the other on the right is the windmill I found.
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Would you take a full body snapshot of the siren between you and that Burgervoitbrug canal? Thanx, or spot it in the map for me.
Much obliged.
I used Marvins man/kite pic as a starting point, and ketterfeltos, assuming 125ft, and Ruuds as control, and of course his data of 2km (converted to ft) sighting. I didn't need the bloomin pole or even vanishing points, or doppler radar. grin
I could be 100 percent wrong! , I don't think so.
Thanx for the opportunity to learn about a beautiful country and great people.
PS> No wonder you fish there..this was right where you were at. I just use a cane pole when I go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ijZwTgqB04
Greetz!

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« Reply #41 on: Apr 17th, 2009, 05:42am »

Hello Quincy,

Nice work, I searched also for the air raid siren. Could not find it on google earth to
When I have the oppertunity I will make a snapshot of the air raid siren.
I will come back to it, I promise.
I think we will go in september to Petten for the weekend. (like every year).
I would like to say, the measurements you have taken are very impressive. Don't forget the height and the disctance are a guess. Off course we don't know the exact height and distance.
Also and that is (for me) very important.
I know for certain that when somebody post something on a forum like this he'd better do his homework well.
When someone post fake pics or hoaxes it will be discoverd!
You even found a video of somebody who was fishing at the same spot. (catching a big one, it is not me )
For myself, I know I took pictures of something I could not explain. We were curious what it could be, that is why I posted it. I never expected so many respons. (If I knew I got so many reactions I would think twice to post it).
Personaly I didn't made a link to a drone. I thougt drones were much bigger and much more suffisticated.
More alien so to speak. (fake or not)
I never heard about woldof kites, now I know there is a variaty of kites in al kind of shapes (impressive).
I have no benefit what so ever of posting those pics, (only that my English is updated).
I like to watch the sky, especially at night.
I don't believe in god, I have seen lots of meteorites, sattelites speeding through the space. I have seen UFO balloons. (Thai balloons). I have seen Skylab and the ISS.
I have also seen the Hayley comet (with the tail).
I am just a sober guy from Holland wich could not explain something I took pictures of.
I'dd like to thank everbody on this forum for thinking and examine the pics.
Also everybody can make his own conclusions.
I became a member of this forum and I will visit it more often and if necessary, I will make my comments.

Regards Ruud




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« Reply #42 on: Apr 17th, 2009, 06:44am »

Hi Ruud and welcome! smiley

It's refreshing to have a witness (and inquirer) of a strange sighting actually cooperate and aid in solving it. If you browse around this whole drone business you'll read the type of things people (Quincy, Dr,Dil, Marvin, 11, some retired Admiral! and a whole bunch more) have had to deal with.

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« Reply #43 on: Apr 17th, 2009, 10:58am »

on Apr 17th, 2009, 05:42am, Ruud wrote:
Hello Quincy,

Nice work, I searched also for the air raid siren. Could not find it on google earth to
When I have the oppertunity I will make a snapshot of the air raid siren.
I will come back to it, I promise.
I think we will go in september to Petten for the weekend. (like every year).
I would like to say, the measurements you have taken are very impressive. Don't forget the height and the disctance are a guess. Off course we don't know the exact height and distance.
Also and that is (for me) very important.
I know for certain that when somebody post something on a forum like this he'd better do his homework well.
When someone post fake pics or hoaxes it will be discoverd!
You even found a video of somebody who was fishing at the same spot. (catching a big one, it is not me )
For myself, I know I took pictures of something I could not explain. We were curious what it could be, that is why I posted it. I never expected so many respons. (If I knew I got so many reactions I would think twice to post it).
Personaly I didn't made a link to a drone. I thougt drones were much bigger and much more suffisticated.
More alien so to speak. (fake or not)
I never heard about woldof kites, now I know there is a variaty of kites in al kind of shapes (impressive).
I have no benefit what so ever of posting those pics, (only that my English is updated).
I like to watch the sky, especially at night.
I don't believe in god, I have seen lots of meteorites, sattelites speeding through the space. I have seen UFO balloons. (Thai balloons). I have seen Skylab and the ISS.
I have also seen the Hayley comet (with the tail).
I am just a sober guy from Holland wich could not explain something I took pictures of.
I'dd like to thank everbody on this forum for thinking and examine the pics.
Also everybody can make his own conclusions.
I became a member of this forum and I will visit it more often and if necessary, I will make my comments.

Regards Ruud





That was beautifully written Ruud. It is interesting we both found out things we never knew, that were right out there within reach! Figuratively speaking, we both looked at something strange, hoping it was perhaps an alien ship, and we followed it, and it indeed led us to an entire new world around us.! So, much like the ants I wrote about in another thread, we too go about our business and our little wars,, never seeing the giants walk right by them, never entering their consciousness. Sensing "something", but never really "grasping".There are greater things I am sure, that may never enter ours, but perhaps, like here with us happened, may happen then.

PS That boy caught a big one didn't he?
This is true, Reminded me of an old man in I saw walking home with a bucket in his hand, and he stopped to show his little grandson who had been with him, , what was inside. The boy was so in awe . The old man just looked and smiled.
I was looking down from an apartment, but could not see what was inside. I imagine a fish or turtle. then they kept walking home. Maybe it was the little boys first fish.
For a moment I was the old man, and the little boy at the same time.


Hope you come back soon, but ..let time take its time! haha

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« Reply #44 on: Apr 17th, 2009, 12:42pm »

Thanks, Ruud! As Katterfelto said, it's a pleasant surprise to have a real witness who is cooperative and intelligent in dealing with us crusty old veterans. I would not have guessed "kite" when I saw your pictures, but these talented analysts have convinced me. I'm glad you joined the forum, and I appreciate your staying with us.

Good luck with the fishing!
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« Reply #45 on: Apr 17th, 2009, 1:51pm »

My little contribution to this.

Here are some useful infos about the wind in the area (I took the closest weather station, "Den Helder"; which is up to 14Mi NNE from Petten.)

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Now the question is 'Is a kite can fly under a 16/26 Km/h wind speed, with max gusts at 40Km/h?

Seems like it's possible, except for the "ultralights" kites:

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And about Ruud's altitude estimation, here's some infos from this Kite blog:

- Vlieger niet boven de wettelijk toegestane hoogte (100m)
- Vlieger niet in de buurt van hoogspannings masten (min. afstand 500 m (574.05 yards)
- Vlieger niet in de buurt van vliegvelden (min. afstand 6 km (3.73 miles)
- Vlieger niet in de buurt van spoor- en snelwegen (min. afstand 500 m (574.05 yards)
- Vlieger niet in drukke gebieden.
- Probeer niet te Liften of te Jumpen; althans..begin klein, je kan dodelijk verongelukken.
- Vlieger niet met vliegers groter dan 5 m2 ( 5.47 square yd) in een wind sterker dan 5 Beaufort; dit is vragen om moeilijkheden.
-Vlieger niet met een trapeze; doe dit alleen als je de vlieger helemaal onder de knie hebt maar kijk dan toch nog uit (gebruikt liever geen, besef dat je aan de vlieger vast zit).

De volgende punten maken het vliegeren voor iedereen een stuk aangenamer:

- Er zijn nog meer piloten; geef elkaar ruimte (vooral een-lijnens vliegers; zij kunnen geen kant op).
- Gebruik geen Kevlar lijnen (het snijdt door andere lijnen en kan lelijke wonden veroorzaken).
- Veroorzaak geen geluidsovelast.
- Ga uit de weg voor een buggy; hij kan moeilijker stoppen.
- Vlieg met lijen korter dan 45 m (49.23 yd); De vlieger is hierdoor beter te besturen!
- Gebruik op drukke plekken plaatsen stokloze modellen; geeft minder ongelukken."


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- Do not kite above the legal height (100m)
- Kite in the neighborhood of high masts (min. distance 500 meters (574.05 yards)
- Do not kite near the airport (min. distance 6 km (3.73 miles))
- Do not kite in the near rail and highways (min. distance 500 m (574.05 yards)
- Do not kite in busy areas.
- Kite flyers not greater than 5 m2 (5.47 yd square) in a stronger wind than 5 Beaufort, which is asking for trouble.

The following points make the kite for everyone a lot more pleasant:

- Fly with strings shorter than 45 m (49.23 yd), the kite is better to drive!

Hope it will help.

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