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« Reply #970 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:28am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 09:53am, ufaux wrote:
hahaha
syllabic script means that one symbol correspond to one sound. For exemple :
ƒ is pronounce "WA"
it has no meaning, like if you where using the letter "Y" for exemple. Of cause, some japanese words are composed only with one syllab (for exemple, "KI" means "tree").
there is tow type of writing in japanese. You got the "KANJI", wich is some Chinese Han period characters (exemples : ‰FA’ˆAl and so on); then you've got the KANA, wich is typical japanese characters. Each kana correspond to a japanese syllab. There is HIRA-GANA and KATA-KANA.
When you write a japanese characters, what you have to think about is the number of stroke, and the order that you write it. So, one KANA can be write very differenly from a person to another.
You can get more information on Wikipedia :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language

If you need more proof, leave a message on a japanese speaker forum. There is a lot of them in english.


Ok, thanks for the lesson, so please keep continue your analysis to prove the hoax. It can't be translate, OK, but is 5.8% direct match enough to prove the hoax?
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« Reply #971 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:30am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 10:00am, Raf wrote:
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Oh well..maybe it is fake.

But having been on camping trips like that (many years past). Where each day was viewed through an alcoholic haze, I can kind of empathize with these guys. The intellect slows a little bit each day as blood alcohol increases. Intelligent speech becomes an effort and eventually…communication in complete sentences begin to fail.

Where are the rest of the campers? Probably passed out in the camper. If there were any others. But what is wrong with 2 men on a camping / fishing trip? I used load up with my best friend back in my college days and we’d head to the coast or the mountains to fish, hike or hunt.

So..when something unusual happens? Don’t expect reactions to mimic how you ( or myself…now) would react if you were there. I can’t argue the technical deficiencies of the film itself with this crowd. But, both of these…”dudes” …were either drunk…or so hung over they might as well have been still drinking. I thought it was pretty funny.

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Sorry Raf. I hear you and what you are saying sounds true. But go back and read StarsignDavid's reply. He summed it up the best.
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« Reply #972 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:32am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 10:26am, Latitude wrote:
I don't know how Ufaux came up with this. None of the utilities I use show this aberration. I have tried all and it's simply not there. My conclusion is it's his own concoction.


I also have tried all of my color separation tools and have come to the conclusion that the ufaux creations are phony.

In fact if you look closely they are a rather crude attempt. His so-called 'overlay' does not even match the clouds correctly.

Ufaux, please find some other forum.
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« Reply #973 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:32am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 02:38am, RoH wrote:
ATO, is this the picture Leviathan66 posted?
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Yes it is RoH but I like mine better.

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« Reply #974 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:34am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 10:30am, Latitude wrote:
Sorry Raf. I hear you and what you are saying sounds true. But go back and read StarsignDavid's reply. He summed it up the best.


Actually, I remember DrDil summing it up too in a PM of mine quite some time ago. I PMd him and told him to get his stitching be-hind in here. lol
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« Reply #975 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:44am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 10:34am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Actually, I remember DrDil summing it up too in a PM of mine quite some time ago. I PMd him and told him to get his stitching be-hind in here. lol


Has Dr Dil went over to the dark side? I see him over at OMF a lot lately with much hoax talk coming from him. He's a tough nut to crack too.
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« Reply #976 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:44am »

To answer your question, Ufaux, no, we aren't blind. And someone is playing games. Not appreciated.

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« Reply #977 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:49am »

ufaux gave me a headache! I don't know how he can INSIST he is right when the evidence is simply not there. He is forcing square pegs into round holes to make his point, and, I suspect, concocting a few things to help him fill in the gaps.
His very manner of presentation has my critical ear tuned out. No one on here is an idiot, to be treated so condescendingly.
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« Reply #978 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 10:56am »

Folks,

Ufaux can’t be convinced to look at this subject with an open mind. He never could. That is not why he came in here. He came to wag his pet theory in everyones face and laugh off everything else that has been posted. Its not about finding the truth or even discussing the possibilities..its about Ufaux.

I don’t know why you are wasting your time with this guy.

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« Reply #979 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 11:03am »

Okay... Thanks guys (and gals) for the closer look at that photo.

Hoaxing is such a two way street, that is why I am so "cautious." Maybe folks will understand why I am. Require objective evidence, no matter if they are for or against the issue. Trust no one.
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« Reply #980 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 11:06am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 10:44am, MarkM wrote:
To answer your question, Ufaux, no, we aren't blind. And someone is playing games. Not appreciated.

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Did he concoct the cloud covering the arm?
Or, could it be true cloud layering in photoshop?
Can a CG pro try and recreate what he did to prove it wronghuh (I hope)
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« Reply #981 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 11:10am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 10:00am, Raf wrote:
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Oh well..maybe it is fake.

But having been on camping trips like that (many years past). Where each day was viewed through an alcoholic haze, I can kind of empathize with these guys. The intellect slows a little bit each day as blood alcohol increases. Intelligent speech becomes an effort and eventually…communication in complete sentences begin to fail.

Where are the rest of the campers? Probably passed out in the camper. If there were any others. But what is wrong with 2 men on a camping / fishing trip? I used load up with my best friend back in my college days and we’d head to the coast or the mountains to fish, hike or hunt.

So..when something unusual happens? Don’t expect reactions to mimic how you ( or myself…now) would react if you were there. I can’t argue the technical deficiencies of the film itself with this crowd. But, both of these…”dudes” …were either drunk…or so hung over they might as well have been still drinking. I thought it was pretty funny.

Raf


That's true -- those guys could have been in a drunken stuper and been too "stupified" to even react in any other way other than "dude" lol Their reactions weren't that quick either.

It didn't seem like people were holding the UFO up from behind the camper -- it did seem to go behind the trees.
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« Reply #982 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 11:20am »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 11:06am, castles4me wrote:
Did he concoct the cloud covering the arm?
Or, could it be true cloud layering in photoshop?
Can a CG pro try and recreate what he did to prove it wronghuh (I hope)

Ufaux is certainly going to say to us which filters he used so that we can reproduce the image by ourselves and confirm its statements.
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« Reply #983 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 11:28am »

I did a cloud render (which tries to find the clouds and accentuates them) and this is what I came up with. I see no smoking gun here.

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« Reply #984 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 11:29am »

A perfect example of making the case for a hoax the right way is the Haiti video.

At first glance it looked very convincing and we were eager to hope for the best. The craft photographed even had the "industrial" look of the drones. However, thanks to some fantastic detective work by DrDil and others, it was determined to be a hoax. The evidence for a hoax was presented intelligently and convincingly. The case was made without attitude. No one argued, everyone listened, weighed the facts and made their decisions.

What makes the drones so compelling is the volume of evidence. A lot of work has gone into studying them. The very fact that this investigation continues and that nothing conclusive (of the case in it's entirety) has been determined, leaves to door open. That's a very significant point. And yes, that door swings both ways!


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