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« Reply #314 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:38pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:16pm, Radi wrote:
The person or group if they felt like suing AW and have the money to due so good luck to them..


You don't do this kind of case without a good NY law firm that specialises in Intellectual Rights. And if you had the copyright and AlienWare had the design..
you can bet your booty... you would have nice contingency case on offer smiley

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They most likly would get laughed out of the court and might pay for wasting the courts time...



No... you would have to meet the test for "frivilious lawsuit", but that would be far more technical in nature and pertain to defense issues, that the other party may raise when answering the lawsuit. Every good lawyer knows the tests that will be raised and how their clients will overcome those issues before bringing the lawsuit or they wouldn't risk the investment of time.

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AW could bring all the information of previous designs and elements to the LAP that were used and say that these designs exsisted and the LAP is not that original....



Impossible. The LAP is a creative work that stands on its own merit.

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Another thing is AW could say that its been abandoned and the copyrights holder only showed up because of their use of the LAP and are only after money....

Yes, that is the problem, but those issues will be considered and compensated from provided the copyright defense is made in a timely way, with "extinuating" circumstances providing sufficent reason for the delay in registration and defense. Like I said, because of this it is not a slam dunk anymore, but still enough to fight for.

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They could also claim the LAP copyright holders as criminals for hoaxing what they did and painting the copyright holders in a bad light so as to turn the tables on said copyright holders....Yes it could get real ugly thats for sure.....But there are several other possibilities that I won't go into.......They do not include winning at all..It would be a very very hard case......


It won't be decided on moral principles it will be decided on established law. It will be settled anyway. IMO
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« Reply #315 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:44pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:40pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Do you even know the procedure for filing a copyright with the Library of Congress and what that entails the owner? Look it up before supposing common sense prevails over common law grin

You are under some impression the owner filed for copyright?
Wrong.
Knowing or not knowing the procedure is immaterial.
When faced with contadictions, questionable motives, unique circumstances, renegning on abandonment of ownership, etc. Occam's Razor and common sense often comes into play with legal or civil judgements. That is fact.
That Razor cuts in many places.
You seem not to understand that.
It's a mine(d)field.
There will never be any legit lawsuits nor settlements.
The hoaxers have no case unless they try to sue themselves.
Now that would be a hoot.


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« Reply #316 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:44pm »

You guys really need to step awaaay from the drones.

Leave them be. Everything has been said, several times over and has become cyclical. I don't know why either side carry it on anymore.

If it is hoaxed, then everyone leaving it alone for a few years might take the pressure off someone wanting to admit to it all. Or not, but you'll never know.

Anyway, that's all. Hope all of you are well.

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« Reply #317 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:47pm »

Anyway, my only point here is that there is enough financial motive for those, he or she, who MAY be human and created the LAP to get a great deal of compensation from AlienWare for copyright infringement.

Now why hasn't anyone? That's all I ask..
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« Reply #318 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:50pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:47pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Anyway, my only point here is that there is enough financial motive for those, he or she, who MAY be human and created the LAP to get a great deal of compensation from AlienWare for copyright infringement.

Now why hasn't anyone? That's all I ask..


The likely and most probable scenerios have been explained to you thoroughly!! One of what proceeded is the reason. Pick one and choose a new line of distraction.
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« Reply #319 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:52pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:50pm, TheShadow wrote:
All possible scenerios have been explained to you thoroughly!! One of what proceeded is the reason. Pick one and choose a new line of distraction.


Sorry, I missed any answer that makes sense..
What would prevent you from making a claim for copyright infringement in such a substancial case as this?
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« Reply #320 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:53pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:47pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Anyway, my only point here is that there is enough financial motive for those, he or she, who MAY be human and created the LAP to get a great deal of compensation from AlienWare for copyright infringement.

Now why hasn't anyone? That's all I ask..


What part of "Because they would expose themselves as the hoaxers" are you having trouble comprehending?
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« Reply #321 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:54pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:47pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Anyway, my only point here is that there is enough financial motive for those, he or she, who MAY be human and created the LAP to get a great deal of compensation from AlienWare for copyright infringement.

Now why hasn't anyone? That's all I ask..

They don't have the $$?
Fear of ridicule?
Money ain't everything?
They have a life?
Don't really care anymore?
Don't want to be put under a microscope?
Don't know how to pursue?
Have tried and were advised against it.
Don't have backing to pay lawyers?
And so on and so on ......

Lot's of reasons really.

I think you read too much into it as supporting it could be real.
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« Reply #322 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:54pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:52pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Sorry, I missed any answer that makes sense..
What would prevent you from making a claim for copyright infringement in such a substancial case as this?


BECAUSE it is not a substantial case!! It is a HOAX!! To be a substantial case it must be somewhat factual in nature!!!
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« Reply #323 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:55pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:53pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
What part of "Because they would expose themselves as the hoaxers" are you having trouble comprehending?


Like this is really going to keep them awake at night while they are living in the Virgin Islands on their yachts.. grin

Bad bad hoaxers !! no no no!
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« Reply #324 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:57pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:55pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Like this is really going to keep them awake at night while they are living in the Virgin Islands on their yachts.. grin

Bad bad hoaxers !! no no no!


I'm sorry, I must have too many windows open on my machine. I keep thinking I'm back in reality. Carry on with your little fantasy. It obviously brings you a lot of pleasure.
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« Reply #325 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 8:57pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:54pm, TheShadow wrote:
BECAUSE it is not a substantial case!! It is a HOAX!! To be a substantial case it must be somewhat factual in nature!!!


Ummm... it's later in the night here than there I assume and I'm wondering what are you thinking?

AlienWare now building the entire personna of a line of computers and its marketing on the LAP is not substancial? hmmmmm wonder what is then rolleyes
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« Reply #326 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 9:01pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:57pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Ummm... it's later in the night here than there I assume and I'm wondering what are you thinking?

AlienWare now building the entire personna of a line of computers and its marketing on the LAP is not substancial? hmmmmm wonder what is then rolleyes


Means one of 3 things.

Either Alienware created or was involved in creating the drones and LAP and therefore own them.

Or they found and cut a deal with the hoaxers.

Option 3 Their lawyers are really stupid


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« Reply #327 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 9:08pm »

How much value the claim is depends on to what degree the use of that copyright material has on the market and to what degree it was used (violated) for profit. This is where the jury will figure in the most, because violation will have already been established in previous extensive legal tests from prior cases in copyright law.

No company wants to get to this point. By the time they do the product will have dried up in the market.
A copyright violation has the ability to request customs to seize the property at the point of transit into the USA.

edit to add: This is why, earlier, when AlienWare was just using a little of the LAP in the case design I thought it not significant enough to overcome the public domain aspect, but now, they are going full hog and I suspect that puts them right where a NY law firm would be interested....
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« Reply #328 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 9:11pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 8:57pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Ummm... it's later in the night here than there I assume and I'm wondering what are you thinking?

AlienWare now building the entire personna of a line of computers and its marketing on the LAP is not substancial? hmmmmm wonder what is then rolleyes


Do you really seriously think anyone is buying one of their products because of the LAP connection?
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