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« Reply #352 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 07:59am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 07:38am, Marvin wrote:
Using your words and logic:

If you do not know the answer to that, then why make a statement that flies in the face of reason? There can be… and likely is… a profit motive involved. People are already making money off of it. grin



Marvin, what logic tells you that AlienWare produced the drone saga just to benefit by using the LAP design?
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« Reply #353 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:17am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 07:52am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Suppose the drones are government disinfo. Is the government going to scrap the disinfo campaign just to sue AW?



Exactly.. All points to consider. Once you take in as fact what I'm trying to tell you here.
About copyright issues.

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Suppose the hoaxer has made money as a result of the hoax...That is illegal.



ummmm not illegal. Copyright law does not apply here.

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What if LMH, C2C, and WHitley Streiber were behind the hoax and each of them profited from the hoax with increased subscriptions, book sales, etc.....



I think drdil has shown sufficient evidence that this is not the case, them being the creators of this for increased subscription rates.. seriously?? You are way underestimating the efforts and convienently too to make a point that is quite disproportionate to returns..
as would be creating this saga for increased subscriptions..

Meanwhile, AlienWare's market value and their Errors and Omissions insurance deep pockets is what I'm talking about. No subscriptions are ever going to come close to that kind of renumeration.

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Would they come forward to face prosecution in order to sue AW?



For what? What law has been broken by the hoaxers that would be applicable to federal prosecution? or even state prosecution for that matter?

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Suppose that the drones are just an internet hoax by a group of unknowns who wish to remain anonymous. Would they come forward and expose the whole thing just to sue AW? Would the suit even be worth it?



Definately it would be worth it. Dell computer using your designs all over their product line and in their multiple media marketing campaign? You serious?

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The LAP was presented as being Alien in origin, therefore owned by nobody but the Aliens. Submitted anonymously to the public domain as Alien in origin.....that simple fact would have to have an impact on the legality of any copyright infringement.



When Isaac made the request that all material be reproduced in whole not utilised or marketed separately, he was establishing a very loose yet plausible condition of use... this may be the key a good firm would use to overcome the public domain aspect of this work after it has been so blatently exploited for marketing purposes... just thinking here..

But I believe that will not even be necessary as the fortune city website in reality may be construed as a fictious story.. one that is not to be exploited by the marketing efforts of a major company for their computer product line.

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There are to many 'what if' scenarios and numerous reasons why the hoaxer(s) could still remain anonymous.


Nope.. not IMO when a fat settlement for use and damages is considered....
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« Reply #354 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:22am »

It is illegal to make money from a hoax. Do you dispute that?
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« Reply #355 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:25am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 08:22am, Jeddyhi wrote:
It is illegal to make money from a hoax. Do you dispute that?


Show me which laws apply.

edit to add: Intellectual property law is a completely separate domain from other avenues of law. Completely separate.
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« Reply #356 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:31am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 08:25am, tomi01uk wrote:
Show me which laws apply.

edit to add: Intellectual property law is a completely separate domain from other avenues of law. Completely separate.


If a hoax starts scamming people's money, it becomes fraud, which is illegal. This of course is more than enough reason for a hoaxer to not come forward unless they have no problem being prosecuted.

A hoax in general is only illegal if it involves profiting from the hoax, which then becomes fraud. You can't defraud people of their money.....its illegal.
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« Reply #357 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:33am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 08:31am, Jeddyhi wrote:
If a hoax starts scamming people's money, it becomes fraud, which is illegal.


You are getting into civil law here. A whole nuther ballpark. And one that would be very difficult to persuade a law firm to consider as well. Law firms are interested in deep pockets or they aren't interested in taking a case on. In a civil matter like this you would be whistleing dixie before anyone would file a lawsuit for you..
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« Reply #358 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:39am »

You're missing the point. You wanted to know why somebody hasn't come forward to sue AW. I just gave you one of many reasons.
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« Reply #359 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:41am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 08:39am, Jeddyhi wrote:
You're missing the point. You wanted to know why somebody hasn't come forward to sue AW. I just gave you one of many reasons.


We have all given her many reasons........and i can assure you it is one of the reasons mentioned......with the exception of tomis ridiculous "Its because they are alien" theory!
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« Reply #360 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:46am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 08:39am, Jeddyhi wrote:
You're missing the point. You wanted to know why somebody hasn't come forward to sue AW. I just gave you one of many reasons.


Are you honestly going to argue that whoever (hypothetically) went to the effort of creating the LAP would be afraid to engage a team of NY IPR lawyers to assert his rights over the usage of that design when it is being used to market a computer line around the world. Are you serious?

Which brings me back to my original point.
There is no federal, state or civil laws baring asserting one's copyrights in this kind of situation. Certainly none that would justify allowing the blatant commercialisation of your work for corporate benefit without due recompense.

Now, why is this happening? Why is profit not a motive in this saga.... which so far it obviously isn't for the creators of it. That we can detect anyway....

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« Reply #361 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 08:54am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 08:46am, tomi01uk wrote:
Are you honestly going to argue that whoever (hypothetically) went to the effort of creating the LAP would be afraid to engage a team of NY IPR lawyers to assert his rights over the usage of that design when it is being used to market a computer line around the world. Are you serious?

Which brings me back to my original point.
There is no federal, state or civil laws baring asserting one's copyrights in this kind of situation. Certainly none that would justify allowing the blatant commercialisation of your work for corporate benefit without due recompense.

Now, why is this happening? Why is profit not a motive in this saga.... which so far it obviously isn't for the creators of it. That we can detect anyway....



Why can it not sink into your brain that whoever created the LAP and drones was associated with Alienwarehuh Is that more far fetched in your opinion than the drones being real??
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« Reply #362 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 09:05am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 08:46am, tomi01uk wrote:
Are you honestly going to argue that whoever (hypothetically) went to the effort of creating the LAP would be afraid to engage a team of NY IPR lawyers to assert his rights over the usage of that design when it is being used to market a computer line around the world. Are you serious?


I'm only saying that if the hoaxer defrauded anyone out of their money with the drone hoax, then they are open to prosecution. Especially if they came forward and exposed their identity in order to get more money from AW.

And AW, if they are not the source of the LAP, would only have to claim that the LAP came from the public domain having been posted anonymously and attributed to being Alien in origin. I think that would clear them of any liability.
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« Reply #363 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 09:19am »

It was mentioned before but i think it is worth suggesting again.

Tomi, since you feel so strongly that there are millions to be made by a lawsuit, why dont you get a lawyer (although perhaps with your vast knowledge you could do it yourself...LOL) and file a suit against alienware on Isaacs behalf?

Im sure he would give you half of the millions he receives!!!

Oh wait nevermind.......if you and your friends spent your money wisely the truth would be learned and we all know that isnt what you want!!
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« Reply #364 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 09:26am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 09:05am, Jeddyhi wrote:
I'm only saying that if the hoaxer defrauded anyone out of their money with the drone hoax, then they are open to prosecution. Especially if they came forward and exposed their identity in order to get more money from AW.



Who did they defraud? What laws would apply here?
Certainly none criminal that I can see.

And civil law has absolutely nothing to do with IPR law. Nothing ! They are completely separate areas of law.

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And AW, if they are not the source of the LAP, would only have to claim that the LAP came from the public domain having been posted anonymously and attributed to being Alien in origin. I think that would clear them of any liability.


Yes, this is the gray area. But as I just gave you plaintiff assertions above off the top of my head, I can assure you that a good NY City IPR firm would have many more. Meanwhile, like I said... the fact you have the copyright registration numbers will put the odds in your favor to stop all marketing and production till this little gray area can be decided.. Now what company wants to do that? Settlement is waiting in this case for the creator of the LAP. It is the only way this case would be approached. No company like Dell would fight this case if the LAP was copyrighted.
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« Reply #365 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 09:26am »

She knows she's spewing BS. That's her job. For my part, I am embarrassed that I was again dragged down to her level. Yikes, this whole idiot "question" is lame beyond belief. See y'all later.
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« Reply #366 on: Oct 1st, 2009, 09:31am »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 09:19am, TheShadow wrote:
It was mentioned before but i think it is worth suggesting again.

Tomi, since you feel so strongly that there are millions to be made by a lawsuit, why dont you get a lawyer (although perhaps with your vast knowledge you could do it yourself...LOL) and file a suit against alienware on Isaacs behalf?

Im sure he would give you half of the millions he receives!!!

Oh wait nevermind.......if you and your friends spent your money wisely the truth would be learned and we all know that isnt what you want!!


Shads, you are very funny. But you are creating a diversion from the point I'm trying to make. I think I summed it up in the last post.

You and the boys out here have a lot of experience with design creation etc, I have experience in what I'm talking about first hand and over many years. It is the one area I can confidently put some experience in to try help analyse what the hell is behind this drone saga.

And when I say that there is a case here and how it could be played, believe me I know what I'm talking about.
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