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« Reply #1050 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:05am »

To reduce confusion, here are the drone sightings and photo dates if applicable in order by date.

Isaac - 1984

Northridge, CA - Robert Mariotti
Sighting - Horsehoe crab drone 1994

Birmingham, Alabama - Mr. Smith
Photo - May 2006

Tahoe, NV - Tahoe woman
photo - May 5

Central California - Chad
photo -May 6th

Capitola, CA - Rajman photo
photo - May 15

Sequoia National Park, California
Sighting - May 25

Big Basin, California - Ty
photo - June 5

Big Basin, California - Stephen
photo - June 6

JMontgomery, Alambama - Maxwell AFB
Sighting - June 25


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« Reply #1051 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:08am »

on Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:04am, castles4me wrote:
Soooooooo if the government is the one that made these drones.... and they are testing them, it really doesn't make sense that the government hasn't changed what they look like over a 10 - 20 year span (the length of time of all of the sightings from 1987 on..


Isaac actually implied that the government was involved when he stated, it it didn't surprise him that some of these drones are near Moffett Field in Palo Alto since it was so close to Big Basin. It's 32 miles.

My comment was immediately thereafter that NASA and Lockheed are also at Moffett Field. That's why those early on posts about Lockheed are here in the thread.

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« Reply #1052 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:14am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 11:45pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Hi ATO,

Yep, that's precisely the area I mean... the entire range along the fault...it was the first thing that caught my eye (well, other than the drone) was the mixture of foliage. I've shown it to some others up here, who've lived here for years, and they also believe it's very reminiscent of the foliage that's in this area... the areas covered are from the Tehachapi region, to gorman, lebec, frazier park, lake of the woods, cuddy valley, pinion pines, pine mountain club, then head due west through a heavily wooded area with similar topography and foliage, down to the town of 'Taft"... sadly it's a HUGE area for one person to cover without a more specific location.... but I think the 'bakersfield' location is misleading as far as its generality, only because those photos were not taken in Bako.

I guess I'm just being nitpicky... but want to narrow it all down some and figure out exactly what's up...as does everyone else.

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The only thing is though is that technically I believe that once you hit the grapevine, you're out of Central California and he originally stated Central California.

Then again, even if up the hill the closest large city is still Bakersfield.

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« Reply #1053 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:15am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 11:45pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
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What Air Force bases are around there? Or anything military for that matter.
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« Reply #1054 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:36am »

Moderator note: The member here is talking about the possible location of the chad photos.


(adding this much later, just to clarify) - The area up to this point is actually considered to be a part of Central California and the "Bakersfield area".... only because we're the Far south border of Kern County which is where Bakersfield is, and all of the rest of Kern County is in central california...so everyone here on the mountain refers to living in the 'bakersfield area.' - I know it sounds trite, but most of the locals here have a revulsion for Los Angeles, and southern california in general)
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Edwards AFB is 40 or so miles due east of here.

There's also Pt. Magu, much further down south... the connection I make here, is that the area in between has often been reported as the flight pattern of the (alleged) Aurora at one time (which has been noted by some by it's unique contrail, so it's not 100% confirmation, but it sure fits, I've even seen it myself)... From Point Magu, out over this region to either Edwards AFB, or over the Sierras into Nellis range.

What's interesting there, is there have been reports of the same contrail over parts of Camarillo, San Fernando Valley, Simi Valley, Pyramid Lake, This area...... all of which are in close proximity of alignment for a flight pattern between Pt. Magu and either of the other two aforementioned destinations....

take into account that there is one sighting of a "drone" over Northridge... which is in the San Fernando Valley...

If it IS military, it wouldn't be the first time they've been spotted over that area. In the mid 90s, I saw a strange object over the North Hollywood area... and... well, in a nutshell, I called Burbank Airport to report it, stating that it looked like a "Klingon Bird of Prey from Star Trek"...they said nothing had been sighted.... invited me down to the airport operations dispatch, asked me some questions... and here's the funny part, "John" was the dispatch operators name that night, said that he thought I was very observant, and they needed observant people in AOD... and asked if I'd be willing to fill out a job application.... which stupidly I did. Needless to say I was never contacted back about the job....... but, many years later, I remember reading in, I think it was Popular Science, about a black project that was recently unveiled at the time.... Manufactured by Boeing... it's designation ....... you guessed it..... "Bird of Prey" - The only REAL lesson I learned there though? If you report something, and they, out of nowhere offer you a job application? don't fill it out smiley they just want your info.

Well, who knows, it's all speculation...but it fits.
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« Reply #1055 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:46am »

(Adding later to clarify on the Northridge "Drone" sighting Date, because there have been so many dates enlisted in all of this, and some of them get confusing). The sighting was stated to be on May 17, 2006, the photo on the earthfiles page was witnesses photo taken June 14, 2007 to show the location of the intersection. The "1994" reference in the article was referring to Northridge being the sight of the 1994 Northridge Fault earthquake (6.7mag), not the sighting date. Boy do I remember that Earthquake...... that was...."fun"
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Sighting of Northridge "Drone"
has some dissimilarities to what's been mentioned, but this is the witnesses' account. It's the interview with Robert Mariotti, about half way down the page.

http://earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1268&category=Environment
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« Reply #1056 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:51am »

on Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:46am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Sighting of Northridge "Drone"
has some dissimilarities to what's been mentioned, but this is the witnesses' account. It's the interview with Robert Mariotti, about half way down the page.

http://earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1268&category=Environment


Gotcha. I had read that somewhere else but associated it with a UFO and not a drone for some reason. I completely missed that Earthfiles pages somehow.

They're calling too many things drones I think. Did you read about the jellyfish drone. What's next a shark drone. lol grin



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« Reply #1057 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:54am »

that was one of the reports that actually started to persuade me into thinking there might be something more than meets the eye here.

Of course, the sad part is, that I was at the northridge Mall in Sears, and a few other stores that very day (I remember this date, because it was that day that I was shopping to choose a big screen TV for my new house that I was buying).... which is right across the street from that intersection.... kinda wishing I HAD chosen to go across the street for dinner later.... maybe I'd have gotten an image.....since these days, as odd as it may sound, I carry my camera with me at all times.

oh yeah, UFOs are out.....Drones are in. As I mentioned on my youtube page in one of my posts there, I am, for the most part on the fence about all this, trying to remain as unbiased as I can...since really nothing can either be proven, or disproven. So if the guy says that it was one of the drones, and resembles the "Chad" Drone, all we can do is take his account at face value really for the time being.
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« Reply #1058 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 01:09am »

I have yet to find anything with the disclosure project people....whether it be a responce to the sightings/photos, or anything mentioned in the videos.
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« Reply #1059 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 01:19am »

Hi there... erm, about the cloaking devices and the optical illusion thing: Don't forget the NASA footage where devices seem to appear and disappear in front of ultraviolet cameras.. David Sereda stated that these things might use kind of quantum level shift to convert their matter into another state like ultraviolet, infrared or who-knows for shure.... the question is... what if a private investigator had one of these NASA cameras... isn't there the possibility that sudden UFO appearance on infrared nightshot camcorders is just the tip of the iceberg when the majority of them lurks in the ultraviolet or above?
I'm not an expert on this but... I think this is where we had to look..

Thoughts about the drones: what we need here is more time...the whole thing feels real but at the other hand something is terribly wrong about his. Seriously... more time, more research and more Isaac, please!!!!!! what's the big deal about full disclosure.. I mean, the only way to do this is right in your face without mercy. I'm tired of waiting. The sheep people don't deserve this. They will learn to deal with it.



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« Reply #1060 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 01:24am »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:14pm, Latitude wrote:
Hello and welcome.

I take your post as an insult. It's an insult to all the people on not only this forum but all the others including OMF and ATS who have spent the better part of the last two months beating these photos up looking for smoking guns. Here you come out of nowhere thinking you are smarter than all those people? Let me tell you a fact. If the debunkers at ATS can't find fault with these photos then you sure as heck won't.

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If you knew the background on this photo you'd know it was taken late in the day as the sun was setting. The angle of the object in relation to the sun is such that no shadow is on the main body.


Thank you for your reply

True, the exif Data for the data shows it taken at about 5:45pm on May 16th 2007

Using a program such as Stellarium from Stellarium.org , StarCalc, or any other similar astronomy sky program, we are able to inspect the position of the the sun at that time. at Capitola, California = Latitude: 36.98016 / Longitude: -121.93107

For that time and date, the Sun was slightly more than 26 degrees above the Horizon. Anyone can verify this using freely available astronomical software.

That matches the shadow from the cross arms at the top of the telephone pole. The object does not look tilted 25 or 26 degrees. it looks rather level and flat, although it is hard to judge, and I could be wrong.

The shadow on the main body of the pole is solid, but it is difficult to judge the angle. by the above mathematics, and the Exif data from the Original photos, that angle MUST be 26 degrees, the same angle as the sun. Does it look like 26 degrees to you?

Therefore the better measure is the shadow from the cross bar.

As long as I didn't screw up something like daylight savings time (which I do not think I did) then the mathematics is correct.

The Sun IS at about 26 degrees above the horizon for that date and time and place.

Now, if I wanted to tease you, one whom I have never met, I would propose that your strong emotional reaction would be excellent material for that psychological research project I speculated about.

But we know such projects never take place ;-)
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« Reply #1061 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 01:24am »

a few things.

kirog......im happpy to see another person that follows the Sereda logic. good to have you here.

I just sent a request of information to the Disclosure Project. I was careful in what I asked for. They do not look into sightings or ufo reports, so I asked them about Issac's statements. I asked if any information could be provided to me about PARC, CARET, Xerox PARC, or any military work done in Palo Alto, CA. If there is/was anyone who would have more information, I asked to be fowarded their contact information. I'll keep you guys posted.
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« Reply #1062 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 03:12am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 8:37pm, meller wrote:
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Great job! BUT ...
I noticed you are looking at the symbols in an English kind of way, where each symbol is individual - not composite.

Ex, in other languages we have many variations:
C => or A => => => => , etc

I see too much similarities between them -meaning- that they are probably composite symbols, that each symbol can be separated in 2 or more more basic symbols.

Ex, for the octal numbering, the 1 = it's symbol 0+symbol 1, for 2 it's symbol 0+symbol 2, etc.

From top, symbols #1, #2, #3, #7, #8 (etc) it's a "/" stroke + another symbol that changes the "/" stroke meaning.
If we don't split these symbols in their basic parts, we will never figure out their meaning.

It would be like trying to read the letter "" without recognizing that is a "C" letter plus a comma ","

Did you get my point?
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« Reply #1063 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 05:59am »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:57am, MarkM wrote:
From this statement it's logical to assume that you know "the truth" and therefore can identify it when you see it. This means that you're in possession of some pretty astounding information. It would be great if you would share with us all of the tested, validated, scientific (and other) evidence that you are privy to in regard to these craft. If you are, in fact, able to identify "the truth", you are indeed in a unique position.


I can identify a hoax when I see it. Look at the "evidence" you do have. That's all the "truth" you've got to work with. This "evidence" hasn't been and, for one reason or another, can't be examined, verified or anything else -- the "witnesses" have a whole variety of reasons for being incommunicado. All of them? All the time?

Stop making up excuses and apologies for them and for the flaws in the photos and documents. Look at what you do have. All the rest is wishful thinking and supposition. The "truth" is these rather silly images floating around the Internet. For all anyone knows, the "witnesses" interviewed by LMH -- and by LMH alone -- could be a bunch of frat boys or total loonies or both. And psychotherapists have no magic way of "knowing" if people are lying. They, too, have to verify any info they get against known facts and seek corroboration from additional sources.

The "evidence" to date is totally bogus in that it consists mainly of maybe CGI-created "photos" and COPIES of other stuff that can't be examined. If Isaac is so hot to come forward as a whistleblower, why isn't he telling everything he knows? Because you're "not ready for it"? Don't you find that just a little insulting? And has anyone ever heard from him again? Think you will?

There have been significant hints in every single photo or document submitted about this drone that give it away as a hoax. You just refuse to see them, or you apologize for them, or label them "non-issues," which means you refuse to recognize them as indicating fraud. One of these tip-offs are the shadows on that telephone pole that have been pointed out on this list before and on other lists -- and which have never been satisfactorily explained except as being visible evidence of sloppy CGI.

This hoax isn't even that well-done or convincing. All the perpetrator had to do was develop a few 3D CAD-type cartoons and type up the bogus Isaac report, and then release this silly information in tiny pieces every couple of weeks under different names. Not hard to do. Anyone who's worked in public relations could manage this in their spare time. You're spending a lot more time on it than the perpetrators are.

As far as the media not picking up this story... Gee, the media HAS reported on the Phoenix Lights, the O'Hare Airport sighting, and the recent UFO in the English Channel. The difference between those reports and this drone thing is that those are credible sightings, and this drone is not.

By the way, Palo Alto is located between the San Andreas Fault and the Hayward Fault, in one of the most earthquake-prone parts of California. Not the best place in the world to locate a secret lab with five subterranean levels. In some parts of Palo Alto you can't even build a basement because the ground's too shaky and tends toward "liquefaction." Check it out. That's how you determine the truth. Gather what facts you can find to corroborate or expose, and then weigh it against probability. "What-if" is irrelevant.

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« Reply #1064 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 06:47am »

Long time reader, first time poster. I think i've read this whole thread between yesterday and today and am surprised that a smoking gun hasn't been found yet. I want to believe, but am skeptical. If this is a hoax or some type of viral marketing, the creators should be given an awrd for thoroughness and attention to detail
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