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« Reply #465 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 12:47pm »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:54am, CloudBreak wrote:
ATO suggests that the big basin photos may be fake. The linking of the parts does however strongly suggest that if the basin photos are fake then the Isaac image is fake, or that they are both genuine. The remaining option seems unlikely to me, that of one source being real and then the other source being based off the first.


I don't think it's fake, I think it was one of the previous drones and they did a pick-a-part and made a new one out of what they had to work with from the other drone pictures, and then some.

I don't know about you guys but my jpgs aren't popping up on everyone's post.

Anyway, zoom up on the Big Basin drone. I can't tell you exactly where because I can't see the picture I just posted.

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It's on the right side though where there appears to be a flat spot. Notice that there are no colored pixels present and it's solid white. Show me a picture where there isn't at least one small row of pixels protruding from an object. Anyway, it looks shaved. That bothered me.

What else bothered me is that neither Jenna or Stephen got back to us after giving us the pictures. It's just fishy. Jenna by trade is a photographer and made that very clear. Stephen is in a photography class and she claims that they met on a photography listserv website and something about him being a student of photography.

Just too many questions there unanswered. As far as Earthfiles goes, either or Jenna or Stephen sent it to Linda as well but I don't recall seeing anything new there either and if you know Linda Moulton-Howe, she jumps over high buildings just trying to get an interview out of someone.

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« Reply #466 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 12:48pm »

j w - As a graphics guy, compare the image of that craft with the others. Not only is the style and color (darker) different it's also against a very bright background. This makes dropping an image in much easier. You wouldn't have to crop and disturb the pixels around the craft itself. Make sense?
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« Reply #467 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 12:50pm »



Make that the right side CloudBreak, not the left side as I typed earlier. Can't tell my right from my left sometimes. Brain thing. lol
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« Reply #468 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 12:55pm »



I missed C to C last night because I was so wrapped up in here I forgot.

My Explorer is exploding. bbl going on dial-up - oh fun stuff. lol
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« Reply #469 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 12:58pm »

i agree, if any of these photos are fake, these latest big basin shots would be most suspected

as far as a gravity / anti gravity field effect goes, if any tech was able to generate gravity fields and use them to manipulate adressed objects precisely could also control the range of the gravity effect field.

but if this is anti-gravity, it wouldnt behave like classic gravity at all? anti gravity might not occur in nature

precision high power magnetic fields is a more easily swallowed concept for this, you're right. it would also explain the rigidity of two unconnected objects controlled by a field as one object

the only part that bugs me about it is, as far as i'm aware, only iron and its alloys respond to magentic fields while all matter is affected by gravity

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of course, there could be iron targets within the components for the mag field to latch onto and position the component with...
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« Reply #470 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:00pm »

Ok, so the concensus is that the big basin photos are suspect. Does the big ring appear in any of the older pictures? (I will go have a look myself, once I've collated all the pictures). If it does then the possibility that the big basin pictures are a frankenstein of all earlier pictures is a good one, and I should be linking Isaac's report on an ealier set of pictures. If the ring does not appear in ealier pictures then I would suggest that the big basin pictures are as real as Isaac's account or that the credibility of Isaac's account will rely upon the credibility of the big basin photos.
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« Reply #471 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:11pm »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 12:44pm, MarkM wrote:
ATO, after listening to the witness in the LMH interview describe how the craft maneuvered, and re-reading the other interviews, I think you may be right about the Big Basin craft - the "menacing" one - being a fake. The witnesses, for the most part, describe the tail or fin leading the rest of the craft. The motion (as described) is jumpy, not a smooth rotation from a center point. In looking at the BB craft, it's difficult to envision that type of movement sequence with it. The very fact that, as someone said, it's "over the top", might indicate a fraud. This is a tactic that's often used to discredit things. People hear that ONE thing might be a fake and automatically, without doing any further research, they assume that ALL of them are. Remember when those two guys from the pub in England claimed that they made all of the crop circles with boards and string? People who saw only that news story went on to believe that all crop circles were a hoax. The Big Basin craft (perhaps intentionally made to look scary) is a plant.


I disagree. I think the BB object is the most legit of them all because it was photographed by two different photographers from two different vantage points. This one point lends more credence to this sighting than any of the others.

About the object looking "over the top"? That's closed minded debunkery speak if you ask me. The entire case could be called over the top. Invisible flying objects held together by force fields? Wow! It does not get any more over the top than that.
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« Reply #472 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:17pm »

now that one looks like an obvious fake. is that the only picture? there should have been more, with the objects behind the trees, in motion, etc...

this one looks to well framed to be true...

(no power lines to interfere with its cloak anywhere?)

there must be more shots from this 'encounter', right?

the shadows are all wrong, compare the plant in the lower right foreground and the shadow of the object, whose landing pads seem to float above the vegetation...
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« Reply #473 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:21pm »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:00pm, CloudBreak wrote:
Ok, so the concensus is that the big basin photos are suspect. Does the big ring appear in any of the older pictures? (I will go have a look myself, once I've collated all the pictures). If it does then the possibility that the big basin pictures are a frankenstein of all earlier pictures is a good one, and I should be linking Isaac's report on an ealier set of pictures. If the ring does not appear in ealier pictures then I would suggest that the big basin pictures are as real as Isaac's account or that the credibility of Isaac's account will rely upon the credibility of the big basin photos.


If the BB pics aren't legit then explain this:

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It also looks like the Raj part was damaged after all.

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« Reply #474 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:22pm »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:11pm, Latitude wrote:
About the object looking "over the top"? That's closed minded debunkery speak if you ask me.


Whoa! Latitude! Breath - I was using terminology by another poster. I hope you know that I'm not one of the debunkers and I certainly hope I've never come across as close minded. My post was just an observation, not a condemnation.

On an aside - and there's a lot of back story here - I'm someone that firmly believes that disclosure is right around the corner, for a variety of reasons. This goes way back to the age of five when I had a sighting and a long stretch of missing time. I've been involved in this - whatever "this" is - since childhood. I'm one of the one's hoping that this is the first crack in the shell.

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« Reply #475 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:26pm »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:17pm, j w wright wrote:
now that one looks like an obvious fake. is that the only picture? there should have been more, with the objects behind the trees, in motion, etc...

this one looks to well framed to be true...

(no power lines to interfere with its cloak anywhere?)

there must be more shots from this 'encounter', right?

the shadows are all wrong, compare the plant in the lower right foreground and the shadow of the object, whose landing pads seem to float above the vegetation...


Wow Jw. That sure was quick. You came to the hoax conclusion in a whole, what two minutes?

ATO,
Is there a report with this new sighting? What is the foreground object?
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« Reply #476 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:27pm »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:21pm, Latitude wrote:
If the BB pics aren't legit then explain this:


good eye. but these would be the easiest to fake, if only because of the background clarity... nothing to obscure the craft itself, really

doesnt mean they are fake, but you cant ignore red flags like that...
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« Reply #477 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:27pm »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:21pm, Latitude wrote:
If the BB pics aren't legit then explain this:


We understand all of that Latitude, that's a gimmie. Now, take the previous drones (Capitola, Chad, Tahoe) and make the Big Basin drone. Parts are parts, you'll see the same ones on the drones that are also laying on the ground.

They didn't have the Isaac pictures certainly, they weren't available yet. But, they had tons of Chad, etc. to work with.

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« Reply #478 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:28pm »

Yes, I'm a lot more comfortable with magnetism being the mechanism for the "component mode".

On a side note, (I think this is slightly off topic, as I don't think this is responsible for what is described). Non iron based materials can actually respond to magnetism. ferromagnetism is the commonly known form of magnetism. This is the form that iron responds to, and is also the strongest form of magnetism.

There is also Paramagetism where the prescence of a magnet will indude dipole allignment within a paragnetic substance. You can think of a dipole as a mini magnet, with North and South ends. See, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism

Finally there is diamagetism which applies to all materials, and will be noticably experienced in a strong enough magnetic field. This works by the orbitals/paths of the electons in a substance being affected. For a picture of a form of carbon and a frog levitating, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

It is technically possibly to levitate a human in this way.
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« Reply #479 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 1:28pm »

on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:22pm, MarkM wrote:
Whoa! Latitude! Breath - I was using terminology by another poster. I hope you know that I'm not one of the debunkers and I certainly hope I've never come across as close minded. My post was just an observation, not a condemnation.

On an aside - and there's a lot of back story here - I'm someone that firmly believes that disclosure is right around the corner, for a variety of reasons. This goes way back to the age of five when I had a sighting and a long stretch of missing time. I've been involved in this - whatever "this" is - since childhood. I'm one of the one's hoping that this is the first crack in the shell.

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MarkM, we are friends, never a doubt. I know you were not the guy who said over the top. Please forgive me if I in any way insinuated that those words came from you.
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