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xx Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
« Reply #705 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 6:06pm »

ATO:
"It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out whether or not Isaac is reading the thread. It's human nature to want to know what people are talking about when they're talking about you. We all do it."

I agree. Especially if one considers themselves in possible danger. Heck yeah, I'd be all over this site lol
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« Reply #706 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 6:08pm »

on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:38pm, starsigndavid wrote:
[Pardon that last part, but I have always wanted to find just the right moment to use the word 'confluence!']


Oh garsh! And can't even allow myself to use big words in here. lol

In one paragraph however you described a seagull a fish and dove. Are you watching Animal Planet while you post? ROFL

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« Reply #707 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 6:09pm »

ok, ya got me!
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« Reply #708 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 6:11pm »

I agree with that also. Plus the fact that Stanton Friedman is not totally dismissive of this. I've read and listened to the man long enought to see he's just being cautious.

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PS: And he is a little arrogant but what the heck, he's a true scientist.
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« Reply #709 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 6:14pm »

on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:54pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
He frequently seems to be somewhat dismissive of investigations with which he's not directly involved. However, I think his closing remarks indicated that he still had a curious take on this one.


I bet he's got a real curious take on it now. And I've seen these guys who are heavy into the subject get jealous over another's find. It's like anything else I guess. Sort of like when Sputnik was up there but we were still in the hanger stage. This whole country was jealous. Then those pangs went away when we landed on the moon.

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« Reply #710 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 6:28pm »

Yes, unfortunately in the scientific filed of research, it can quickly become all about 'credit.' Who's name is on the published paper, etc.

Most in the research field don't make alot of money, they have investors, they need their name out there and credentials so they can get the funds.

Not the best way to do things as sometimes the research is hramed in the process. It takes longer and scientists are more at odds with each other rather than working together.
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« Reply #711 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 6:52pm »

Here is that article about the holographic technology:

2 1 1999 When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing

By William M. Arkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.
At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.
But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.
By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.
Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."
"They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.
A Box of Chocolates is Like War

Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.
For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.
"Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare.
Digital morphing voice, video, and photo has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.
To some, PSYOPS is a backwater military discipline of leaflet dropping and radio propaganda. To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup.
Allah on the Holodeck

Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world.
The tape war never proceeded, killed, participants say, by bureaucratic fights over jurisdiction, skepticism over the technology, and concerns raised by Arab coalition partners.
But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?
According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air.
But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.
And besides, investigators came back, what does Allah look like?
The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."
War is Like a Box of Chocolates

Voice-morphing? Fake video? Holographic projection? They sound more like Mission Impossible and Star Trek gimmicks than weapons. Yet for each, there are corresponding and growing research efforts as the technologies improve and offensive information warfare expands.
Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations.
The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword.
Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future.
"We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."

William M. Arkin, author of "The U.S. Military Online," is a leading expert on national security and the Internet. He lectures and writes on nuclear weapons, military matters and information warfare. An Army intelligence analyst from 1974-1978, Arkin currently consults for Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive, MSNBC and the Natural Resources Defense Council.
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xx Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
« Reply #712 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 7:03pm »

There is, as in any profession, pride in authorship within the UFO community. That, and egos. During my career I've seen many good concepts go by the wayside because "it didn't come from us." I'd love to believe that everyone is in this for the greater good, but I'm not that naive.

My bet is that all the big "names" are waiting to see who jumps into the pond first - and which pond. Then it'll be like ducks in a row! The other scenario is that this drone makes Headline News and the "experts" suddenly have microphones thrust in their face. No, forget that fantasy, the mics will be aimed at the fringe elements.

Whatever your opinion of Whitley Streiber is, to his credit he's put himself out there on this. Both of his journal entries about these craft and the possible significance of them have been very insightful. I respect him for that.
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« Reply #713 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 7:10pm »

I'm placing these articles here because I think they may have some tie-ins to the strange craft technology.

10 26 2005 Remote Control Device 'Controls' Humans

We wield remote controls to turn things on and off, make them advance, make them halt. Ground-bound pilots use remotes to fly drone airplanes, soldiers to maneuver battlefield robots.
But manipulating humans?
Prepare to be remotely controlled. I was.
Just imagine being rendered the rough equivalent of a radio-controlled toy car.
Nippon Telegraph & Telephone Corp., Japans top telephone company, says it is developing the technology to perhaps make video games more realistic. But more sinister applications also come to mind.
I can envision it being added to militaries' arsenals of so-called "non-lethal" weapons.
A special headset was placed on my cranium by my hosts during a recent demonstration at an NTT research center. It sent a very low voltage electric current from the back of my ears through my head _ either from left to right or right to left, depending on which way the joystick on a remote-control was moved.
I found the experience unnerving and exhausting: I sought to step straight ahead but kept careening from side to side. Those alternating currents literally threw me off.
The technology is called galvanic vestibular stimulation _ essentially, electricity messes with the delicate nerves inside the ear that help maintain balance.
I felt a mysterious, irresistible urge to start walking to the right whenever the researcher turned the switch to the right. I was convinced _ mistakenly _ that this was the only way to maintain my balance.
The phenomenon is painless but dramatic. Your feet start to move before you know it. I could even remote-control myself by taking the switch into my own hands.
There's no proven-beyond-a-doubt explanation yet as to why people start veering when electricity hits their ear. But NTT researchers say they were able to make a person walk along a route in the shape of a giant pretzel using this technique.
It's a mesmerizing sensation similar to being drunk or melting into sleep under the influence of anesthesia. But it's more definitive, as though an invisible hand were reaching inside your brain.
NTT says the feature may be used in video games and amusement park rides, although there are no plans so far for a commercial product.
Some people really enjoy the experience, researchers said while acknowledging that others feel uncomfortable.
I watched a simple racing-car game demonstration on a large screen while wearing a device programmed to synchronize the curves with galvanic vestibular stimulation. It accentuated the swaying as an imaginary racing car zipped through a virtual course, making me wobbly.
Another program had the electric current timed to music. My head was pulsating against my will, getting jerked around on my neck. I became so dizzy I could barely stand. I had to turn it off.
NTT researchers suggested this may be a reflection of my lack of musical abilities. People in tune with freely expressing themselves love the sensation, they said.
"We call this a virtual dance experience although some people have mentioned it's more like a virtual drug experience," said Taro Maeda, senior research scientist at NTT. "I'm really hopeful Apple Computer will be interested in this technology to offer it in their iPod."
Research on using electricity to affect human balance has been going on around the world for some time.
James Collins, professor of biomedical engineering at Boston University, has studied using the technology to prevent the elderly from falling and to help people with an impaired sense of balance. But he also believes the effect is suited for games and other entertainment.
"I suspect they'll probably get a kick out of the illusions that can be created to give them a more total immersion experience as part of virtual reality," Collins said.
The very low level of electricity required for the effect is unlikely to cause any health damage, Collins said. Still, NTT required me to sign a consent form, saying I was trying the device at my own risk.
And risk definitely comes to mind when playing around with this technology.
Timothy Hullar, assistant professor at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, Mo., believes finding the right way to deliver an electromagnetic field to the ear at a distance could turn the technology into a weapon for situations where "killing isn't the best solution."
"This would be the most logical situation for a nonlethal weapon that presumably would make your opponent dizzy," he said via e-mail. "If you find just the right frequency, energy, duration of application, you would hope to find something that doesn't permanently injure someone but would allow you to make someone temporarily off-balance."
Indeed, a small defense contractor in Texas, Invocon Inc., is exploring whether precisely tuned electromagnetic pulses could be safely fired into people's ears to temporarily subdue them.
NTT has friendlier uses in mind.
If the sensation of movement can be captured for playback, then people can better understand what a ballet dancer or an Olympian gymnast is doing, and that could come handy in teaching such skills.
And it may also help people dodge oncoming cars or direct a rescue worker in a dark tunnel, NTT researchers say. They maintain that the point is not to control people against their will.
If you're determined to fight the suggestive orders from the electric currents by clinging to a fence or just lying on your back, you simply won't move.
But from my experience, if the currents persist, you'd probably be persuaded to follow their orders. And I didn't like that sensation. At all.
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« Reply #714 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 7:16pm »

I have been following this whole craft for only less than a month but there are still many questions that I had with even the old info. I tried to read everything but didn't see anything about the following.....

Thought I would post this since this picture appears in the last few posts. But the drone above the wires that I have not seen anyone post on is where is the rest of the wire below the craft...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7171/theroywb7.jpg
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« Reply #715 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 7:20pm »

Also I have posted this on the Mufon site. But when this image is opened into a graphics editor adjusting the Hue, Saturation and Constrast you can see the wire is just not there along with other signs of Photoshopping...
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3577/moreir5.jpg
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« Reply #716 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 7:23pm »

Also on the Text if this is old drawings why do fonts exsist today that resemble the font on the crafts and the drawings.
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« Reply #717 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 7:26pm »

radi - I examined that one as well. Follow the that same wire on both sides of the craft all the way down. It twists. In other words you're getting a different perspective and shadow pattern. I zoomed in and it was pretty clear that it's a twist. I think the coloring of the shadowed wiring is so close in hue to the bottom of the craft that it gets washed out. Hope that helps!
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« Reply #718 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 7:31pm »

On the font - as a graphic artist I could - and have - modified many a font in my day. I could do wonders with pretty much any number "7" through all kinds of manipulation. There are similarities to many ancient texts including early cuneiform, oriental characters, etc. Please read on this in earlier posts - there are only so many ways one can configure lines without getting similarities. This sounds like reverse graphic engineering - show me a symbol and I'll recreate it with an existing font!
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« Reply #719 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 7:38pm »

on Jun 30th, 2007, 7:26pm, MarkM wrote:
radi - I examined that one as well. Follow the that same wire on both sides of the craft all the way down. It twists. In other words you're getting a different perspective and shadow pattern. I zoomed in and it was pretty clear that it's a twist. I think the coloring of the shadowed wiring is so close in hue to the bottom of the craft that it gets washed out. Hope that helps!


On that second pict it would seem to me that if the craft is above the wire and the wire being black and below the craft you would see the wire running all the way accross the bottom of the ship. It fades out indicating using a masking brush inside of a graphics app...
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