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xx Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
« Reply #840 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 3:14pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 3:08pm, Latitude wrote:
Isaac/Drone case media blitz. Good timing? Or bad timing?

http://www.roswellufofestival.com/

How would this coincidental event affect it's reception?


Any ink is good ink. It'll interfer with the Isaac thing but just the same it's good ink.

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xx Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
« Reply #841 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 3:19pm »

A working Turing machine?

Looking for answer to Isaac's diagrams on Wikipedia: Part 1.

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Irreducible complexity
Isaac wrote:
The language is actually a "functional blueprint". The forms of the shapes, symbols and arrangements thereof is itself functional. What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently

Wikipedia:
The term "irreducible complexity" was originally defined by Behe as:
A single system which is composed of several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning". (Darwin's Black Box p9)

Intelligent design advocate William Dembski gives this definition:
A system performing a given basic function is irreducibly complex if it includes a set of well-matched, mutually interacting, nonarbitrarily individuated parts such that each part in the set is indispensable to maintaining the system's basic, and therefore original, function. The set of these indispensable parts is known as the irreducible core of the system. (No Free Lunch, 285)

Isaac:
However, their "language" is entirely context-sensitive, which means that a given symbol could mean as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or, quite literally, contain the entire human genome or a galaxy star map in another. The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data is another counter-intuitive aspect of this concept

Wikipedia:
A context-sensitive language is a formal language that can be defined by a context-sensitive grammar

Isaac:
Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate.
- each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped.

Wikipedia:
Computational properties
Computationally the context-sensitive languages are equivalent with linear bounded non-deterministic Turing machines. That is a non-deterministic Turing machine with a tape of only kn cells, where n is the size of the input and k is a constant associated with the machine. This means that every formal language that can be decided by such a machine is a context-sensitive language, and every context-sensitive language can be decided by such a machine.

Isaac:
Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state.

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Chomsky hierarchy

A formal grammar consists of:
a finite set of terminal symbols;
a finite set of nonterminal symbols;
a finite set of production rules with a left- and a right-hand side consisting of a sequence of these symbols
a start symbol.

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Isaac:
Now imagine trying to add the billionth word to the list (imagine also that we're working with an infinite alphabet so you don't run out of letters) and you can imagine how difficult it is for even a computer to keep up. Needless to say, writing this kind of thing "by hand" is orders of magnitude beyond the capabilities of the brain.

Wikipedia:
A formal grammar defines (or generates) a formal language, which is a (possibly infinite) set of sequences of symbols that may be constructed by applying production rules to a sequence of symbols which initially contains just the start symbol. A rule may be applied to a sequence of symbols by replacing an occurrence of the symbols on the left-hand side of the rule with those that appear on the right-hand side. A sequence of rule applications is called a derivation. Such a grammar defines the formal language of all words consisting solely of terminal symbols that can be reached by a derivation from the start symbol.

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Turing machines are extremely basic abstract symbol-manipulating devices which, despite their simplicity, can be adapted to simulate the logic of any computer that could possibly be constructed. They were described in 1936 by Alan Turing.

[Stone (1972):"The evidence seems to indicate that every algorithm for any computing device has an equivalent Turing machine algorithm ... if [Church's thesis] is true, it is certainly remarkable that Turing machines, with their extremely primitive operations, are capable of performing any computation that any other device can perform, regardless of how complex a device we choose." (p. 13)

Isaac:
My background lent itself well to this kind of work though. I'd spent years writing code and designing both analog and digital circuits, a process that at least visually resembled these diagrams in some way. I also had a personal affinity for combinatorics.

Wikipedia:
Combinatorics is a branch of pure mathematics concerning the study of discrete (and usually finite) objects. It is related to many other areas of mathematics, such as algebra, probability theory, ergodic theory and geometry, as well as to applied subjects such as computer science and statistical physics. Aspects of combinatorics include "counting" the objects satisfying certain criteria (enumerative combinatorics), deciding when the criteria can be met, and constructing and analyzing objects meeting the criteria (as in combinatorial designs and matroid theory), finding "largest", "smallest", or "optimal" objects (extremal combinatorics and combinatorial optimization), and finding algebraic structures these objects may have (algebraic combinatorics).
Combinatorics is as much about problem solving as theory building, though it has developed powerful theoretical methods, especially since the later twentieth century (see the page List of combinatorics topics for details of the more recent development of the subject). One of the oldest and most accessible parts of combinatorics is graph theory, which also has numerous natural connections to other areas.
A trivial example of a combinatorial question is the following: What is the number of possible orderings of a deck of 52 distinct playing cards? The answer is 52! (fifty-two factorial), which is equal to about 8.0658 × 1067.
Another example of a more difficult problem: Given a certain number n of people, is it possible to assign them to sets so that each person is in at least one set, each pair of people is in exactly one set together, every two sets have exactly one person in common, and no set contains everyone, all but one person, or exactly one person? The answer depends on n. (Search "Design theory".)

Isaac:
I helped with the design of software running on supercomputers that could juggle the often trillions of rules necessary to create a valid diagram of any reasonable complexity. This overlapped quite a bit with compiler theory as well, a subject I always found fascinating, and in particular compiler optimization, a field that wasn't half of what it is today back then.

Wikipedia:
Compiler optimization is the process of tuning the output of a compiler to minimize some attribute (or maximize the efficiency) of an executable program. The most common requirement is to minimize the time taken to execute a program; a less common one is to minimize the amount of memory occupied, and the growth of portable computers has created a market for minimizing the power consumed by a program.
Factors affecting optimization
The machine itself
Many of the choices about which optimizations can and should be done depend on the characteristics of the target machine. It is sometimes possible to parameterize some of these machine dependent factors, so that a single piece of compiler code can be used to optimize different machines just by altering the machine description parameters. GCC is a compiler which exemplifies this approach.

Isaac:
Like I said, I could go on for hours about this subject, and would love to write at least an introductory book on the subject if it wasn't still completely classified.

Wikipedia:

Article not found: CARET (Program and Extra-terrestrial Technology)

Article found: CARET (Computerized Anatomical Reconstruction and Editing Toolkit)

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xx Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
« Reply #842 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:02pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:56am, DrDil wrote:
I believe ATO was joking!! Hence the lol, two laughing faces and mention of fun. I know UFOlogy and fun are rarely mentioned in the same sentence yet alone the same forum.
Perhaps one of the reasons why this forum is so unique and why you (and I) post here?


he, he - eek, eek grin grin
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xx Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
« Reply #843 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:05pm »

What I don't understand is why would the word (extra terrestrial) be used by the people briefing them. You would think to keep some secrets they would not tell where it came from but instead give them the job at hand to work on. And leaving the engineers to speculate where it came from and that's all.
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« Reply #844 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:07pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:37am, MarkM wrote:
My thinking is that the "componant" that makes this technology functional is the living organism that interacts with it. These symbols and the way in which they interact with whatever compound they're embedded in, are very much like our own neural pathways. You need a triggering source, and a control mechanism capable of making changes based on circumstance. At some point, you need an intelligence, mechanical or organic, outside of the device to complete the schematic.


Many of us don't think about how much more advanced an extra-terrestrial civilization could be. Some are thinking a few hundreds years or a thousand years when it could be millions of years. S.C.A.R.Y. !!!

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« Reply #845 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:09pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:41am, psymark wrote:
Hi all, ive been following this forum for a while now and have noticed several references to the symbols on the craft being similar to some crop circle patterns.I just wondered if any one has seen the crop circle ship video on google video as i think it is relevant to the diagram supplied with the pictures of the drone components.Its called the crop circle ship and is about anti gravity!.
Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this.


Nobody has mentioned it so now you gotta go find it for us and post the link. Thanks......

** twists arm **

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xx Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
« Reply #846 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:12pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:43am, MarkM wrote:
The obvious mystery component is the missing S1, but another element is eluded to as well. In reading back over the document, even S1 has limitations:

PAGE 7, under section 2, component mode -

"S1 does not appear capable of controlling this mode beyond activating and deactivating."

Jumping way outside the box for just a second, and realizing that I may lose some folks here smiley ....

It's well established through decades of abduction research that ET's communicate telepathically. Telepathy and telekinesis (moving objects through focused thought) seems to be a natural part of their function, just as oral speech is to us. We also know that living things generate an electrical current. Although subject to some debate, such a relatively simple life form as a plant has been demonstrated (under laboratory conditions) to respond to human emotion, music (sound waves), etc. If humans could somehow take the energy in a thought (the energy that stimulates the brain to respond) and project it externally, what might the result be? Imagine then a device capable of amplifying - or reinterpreting - that signal. Such a device could direct that energy, but, without data input from an intelligent source (pilot / programmer) it might achieve nothing more than a pleasant hum.

OK, I'll stop now smiley.


Another great post worth a repeat performance Mark.


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« Reply #847 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:32pm »

I was not meaning to decieve anyone here, regarding the ”barcodes” on the documents released by ”Isaac” . Not to qoute myself in an earlier post... (I've read the whole entire string of posts)

As I asked: ”do we need a scanner?” I just ment to trigger any or some minds reading this forum...can one dechiffer the ”barcodes”? I for one, knows that barcodes are numbers, just presented in another (graphical) form.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, or something...I'm living in Europe, and my first language isn't English! This in itself might trigger a question or two, regarding language itself. I've noticed people in here not recognice French language.

If we look to the ”language” on the schematics, be assembler language in 100* known finate,
maybe infinate...why not assume that the ”barcodes” (representing numbers, in a way that
we all are used to see), but the lady at the counter still types in the numbers shown below just the same barcodes? Here it is provided, that the codes are known, otherwise you'll have to wait awhile longer...

Did this trigger someones minds?

I just wat to make a statement, that if anyone can get ”McFeast” out, by scanning the barcodes on the map given to us by ”Isaac”.
Then we would know for certain where we're at! smiley

Since this hasn't happend yet, I think is likely (even more than likely) that we are dealing with the
truth here.

By the way, if this is going to hit Mainstream News, the source has to come from an established source. Best way to do so, is to contact a reporter, who are young, and want to get a leap ahead, and aren't afraid to jump into unknown territory, risking further employment at the newsmedia.

Trust me, the way this has things going, it WILL hit the Mainstream News. It just take time.

All I have to say to all you good people of this forum, you keep on what you do, knowledge come from asking, newer from ignorance.

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« Reply #848 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:32pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 3:39pm, castles4me wrote:
I dood it... I done dood it!!! shocked I guess if I put the challenge out there, I better be one who does it lol


Yeah you dood it!!! You're as silly as me - he, he

I need to send an APB to all members again for just this. Just think what a large portion of 5,700 members could do on this.

I wonder if they'll let me do so - so close to the last mass mailing.

I must go check. see ya bye........ ** runs fast **


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« Reply #849 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:33pm »

Isaac:
"Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate."

They probably used a microscope to find out that the "solid parts" contained some sort of technology on a molecule base. The working is probably at quantumlevel.

Our stuff is working with very large groups of molecules (transistors) in a microchip. The working comes from electricity.

This means that their technology is as small it can be (just one molecule) and they're controlling the quantumworld to work on this level of matther. This might explain as well why our electricity networks distrort their craft. They just don't use this way of energy anymore.

to make the craft invisible they have to rase or lower the frequency of the matter which only can be controlled at quantumlevel.

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« Reply #850 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:35pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 3:19pm, RoH wrote:
A working Turing machine?

Looking for answer to Isaac's diagrams on Wikipedia: Part 1.

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You spent a lot of time and effort on this post and it deserves to be understood. I had difficulty with Isaac at first so will need help on what you presented too. We need posters to respond in whatever fashion they see fit certainly.

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« Reply #851 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:42pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 4:05pm, Andyp wrote:
What I don't understand is why would the word (extra terrestrial) be used by the people briefing them. You would think to keep some secrets they would not tell where it came from but instead give them the job at hand to work on. And leaving the engineers to speculate where it came from and that's all.


Because eventually they were going to have to see the artifacts and at that moment, they would have know that this was a technology that was way beyond man's technology.

They would immediately start fearing another country, but they wouldn't know which one. They would have blown that thought off though pretty quick.

They had to be told.

Here is is 20 years later and we still don't have anti-gravity.

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« Reply #852 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:49pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 4:32pm, VonStern wrote:
By the way, if this is going to hit Mainstream News, the source has to come from an established source. Best way to do so, is to contact a reporter, who are young, and want to get a leap ahead, and aren't afraid to jump into unknown territory, risking further employment at the newsmedia.

Trust me, the way this has things going, it WILL hit the Mainstream News. It just take time.


Yeah, young reporters do work, I've done that before. I've gotten quite a bit out there in the past at the local level. Local papers, local television, etc. Repetition even at the local level will eventually make it to mainstream.

Again, repetition is the key. If all of those email addresses are hit with the same thing 1,000 times, they're going to stop and take a real long look at it.

Worse case sceanrio is that they'll report that hundreds, if not thousands of people are reporting about a - blah, blah, blah regarding UFO artifacts recovered by our U.S. Government.

And by the way - to all of you that are doing the email thing to news services, my CNN email came back telling me that they do not promote websites.

I replied back to them stating that I was not promoting a website but rather reporting a U.S. Government Whistleblower. Anyway, this time it did not come back to me because this was over an hour ago and the first email came back to me right away.

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« Reply #853 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:54pm »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 4:35pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
You spent a lot of time and effort on this post and it deserves to be understood. I had difficulty with Isaac at first so will need help on what you presented too. We need posters to respond in whatever fashion they see fit certainly.

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Yes, RoH, you spent a lot of time on it, and it is great how everyone is delving into this to come to some sort of understanding. (Albeit, the scientists of CARET could barely figure it out.)

I wish I had the physics degree to understand it all lol

Dern it.... when I was a kid I wanted to be an Astrophysicist because I wanted to go up in space with the aliens (this is what I thought lol) And then, when Close Encounters came out, I was like YEAH.. that's it... I wanna be one of those people that got taken away -- just made me want it even more. Unfortunately when I was in school I dropped out of physics to do something easier lol -- I know... LAME lol But it was the 80s and there was too much partying going on lol

Is 42 too old to go back to school for an Astrophysics degree?? huh grin
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xx Re: MYSTERY of the DRONES -SOLVED??? - ASK ISAAC
« Reply #854 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 4:57pm »

It was jus a suggestion. Here even small issues can easily hit Mainstream News.

Maybe it's a bit more problematic in the US, of that I have no knowledge.

But, you're right - multiple mails regarding the same issue might just be the trigger grin
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