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« Reply #915 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:33am »

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"wait one second to see it"

How do you do that. If time is like a flowing river and we are in inflatable rafts for example at a water park, how do you catch-up to the raft in front of you or slow down (wait one second) for the raft behind you? No paddle, no outboard motor, no means to speed up or slow down? (not yet)
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« Reply #916 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:41am »

On the subject of sight - I heard or read something just recently, and have been trying to find a reference someplace, that the human eye actually sees something a quarter of a second (this time might be wrong, but you get my point) after it appears in real time. This is the gap between the light transfer and our brains ability to translate the information. In essence, we're always seeing the past. Does this ring a bell with anyone?
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« Reply #917 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:47am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 08:23am, CloudBreak wrote:
Gort, welcome to the thread.

It does indeed seem puzzling that the media hasn't picked this up yet. Even if they dismiss it as a hoax, the fact is that if it is a hoax, then it's a most wonderful hoax, and hence surely deserving some column inches. I would guess that because this is such a big deal, maybe the press are waiting for more definitive information, otherwise there could be a lot of egg on a lot of faces.


Don't hold your breath either.
Few can make the quantum leap in their minds that there is a well orchestrated media cover up concerning such phenomena.
From what I have learnt its all the result of higher order rulings, (illuminatti level), forbidding positive, accurate reportage by television and newspapers on matters UFO's/Paranormal etc: at best we might receive a tongue-in-cheek item on the news somewhere,...a ha, ha...look at the tin-foil hat brigade job...but that's all. rolleyes
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« Reply #918 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:49am »

on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:41pm, figneutron wrote:
I, too, have been puzzled by this very odd phenomenon. I even wrote Bruce Maccabee to get his thoughts about it. I speculate that such invisibility derives from the exploitation of the neurophysiology of human vision: the ETs must be doing something- moving in a peculiar fashion that can't be tracked by the human eye- or they are transmitting electromagnetic(?) energy in a way that blocks or cancels retinal reception of the light reflected by their ships. By the way, as far as I know, the strange craft has not been photographed inadvertently, that is, where it was invisible to the human eye. But we have so few photographs to date to rule out its capacity for this restricted invisibility. wink


Right, as far as the strange craft (the new drone photos) have not been photographed inadvertantly, what I was really referring to was all of the photos, especially newer ones from the date and age of cell phone cameras and digital cameras.... that depict discs in the background when the person taking the photo never saw anything and didn't know anything was on the film until they developed it. Read all of the witness accounts on these photos http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestufopictures.html
In most recent years (the 2006-2007 photos), there have been WAY more of the inadvertant sightings, again capturing on digital what the eye sees as an optical illusion due to the microwave/ light bending technology (we are trying to figure out.)

Even some of those older photos from decades earlier people said that they didn't know anything was there and the image came out on film. This is kinda scary if you think about it..... how many of the discs are flying around so that people are accidentally capturing them on cameras around the world. Think about this.... what is the probability that you would accidentally capture a bird in the background of a photo you were taking. Think how many birds there are on the earth. Then go back and read all of the witness accounts of these discoidal ufo sightings..... kinda blows your mind. shocked
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« Reply #919 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:55am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:41am, MarkM wrote:
On the subject of sight - I heard or read something just recently, and have been trying to find a reference someplace, that the human eye actually sees something a quarter of a second (this time might be wrong, but you get my point) after it appears in real time. This is the gap between the light transfer and our brains ability to translate the information. In essence, we're always seeing the past. Does this ring a bell with anyone?


Interesting point, and also, when UFO's (don't know about the drones, but discs) travel so fast, they wouldn't even need a cloaking strategy then, the human eye couldn't see it past a certain speed anyway. Not only the time light travels to the eye, but like you said the time it takes the eye to process what it saw.
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« Reply #920 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:57am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:47am, inex wrote:
Don't hold your breath either.
Few can make the quantum leap in their minds that there is a well orchestrated media cover up concerning such phenomena.
From what I have learnt its all the result of higher order rulings, (illuminatti level), forbidding positive, accurate reportage by television and newspapers on matters UFO's/Paranormal etc: at best we might receive a tongue-in-cheek item on the news somewhere,...a ha, ha...look at the tin-foil hat brigade job...but that's all. rolleyes


Yes I know, some how gotta break that, reach a threshold.
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« Reply #921 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:05am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:41am, MarkM wrote:
On the subject of sight - I heard or read something just recently, and have been trying to find a reference someplace, that the human eye actually sees something a quarter of a second (this time might be wrong, but you get my point) after it appears in real time. This is the gap between the light transfer and our brains ability to translate the information. In essence, we're always seeing the past. Does this ring a bell with anyone?


I don't think that's correct. If it was it would be a major problem. How would baseball players catch and hit the ball? There has to be a small delay but isn't a quarter of a second excessive? Probably more in the nanoseconds.
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« Reply #922 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:09am »

To be honest I don't think I gave your post as much thought as I should have.

If one views time as entirely equivalent to any of the other three spatial dimensions then I think that you are correct. The observer will simply never catch up with or be caught up by the craft and if the observer can never see forwards or backwards in time then they will never be able to view or interact with the object. For the craft to directly interact with us in the now it would have to extend itself through time.

Mathematically it is convenient to treat time as just another dimension. I think the science community is divided in this, in that some scientists like to take the analogy further whilst others wholeheartedly agree with mathetcially treating time as a dimension but do not like to physically treat time as entirely equivalent. I fall into the latter camp. Time travel creates too many paradoxes for it to be logically consistent to me. For me the solution is that time travel is not possible, and so I should have really approached your sggestion from that angle. However lots of people do believe it to be theoretically possible, so I feel happy to discuss it as if it is. I have though run into problems in trying to describe something that I believe is impossible, and in your case with further thought i think i have run into a brick wall. We are viewing this from two differnt angles.

As an example. Say my great grandfather travels from the past to the present day, and carried on living. The me now would see him, but yesterday I did not. Your suggestion is that my grandfather never actually distills himself into any present time. He is never in my now, always my future (or past). I see both our viewpoints and I am unable to reconcile them, other than that I do not believe in the possibility of time travel. A bit of a cop out I'm afraid!
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« Reply #923 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:12am »

Ok, let's assume for a moment that the crafts and the story by Isaac are through. How many years are the creators of this technology further than we are? Is it 200, 2000 or maybe 10.000 or a million years? Ik think it is somehwere between 200 and a 1000 years. we are already going into the quantum era within the next 100 years.
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« Reply #924 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:13am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 07:16am, CloudBreak wrote:
I actually really appreciated the first post of sickmindfraud. Until his/her post the dissapearing wire did concern me, but when looked at in terms of wires wrapping around a support wire, you can see that this part of the photo is legit. Their post did also make me question the photo in terms of shadows. By looking at the shadows on the drone, I figured that the only way the shadows could fall would be if the sun was very low in the sky. Thankfully Latitude's post later confirmed this for me by showing the bigger picture with the shadow on the pole. I now see the shadows as being consistant.

As for debunkers, I think we should welcome them. As a community that generally believes, we should be careful to not let our beliefs be expressed as biases. I agree that it can be time consuming to explain away debunkers when they point out repeated problems, but every so often they will hit on something new. The more "flaws" that we can legitimately explain away, the stronger this case will become.


I'm not trying to discourage scrutiny of the evidence. What bothers me is newbs come late to the party thinking they are smarter than all those who came before them. Not all newbs do it. Some newbs do the right thing and actually take the time to read the old posts and get themselves up to speed before they post. But there is a small minority that insist on making fools of themselves. I guess I should simply ignore them but they clog up the forum with needless noise. They always say the same stupids things over and over ad nauseam.

Maybe a good thing would be to start a faq thread. I would put some explanations in it.
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« Reply #925 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:16am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 07:47am, Gort wrote:
On the invisibility aspect, just a thought, instead of light manipulation what about time manipulation. Let's say that the object is a microsecond or even a nano second into the future or past (relative to our present), to an observer looking directly at the object he wouldn't see it, it would be essentially invisible. This might explain why a camera or video might pick up such an image as the camera mechanism could synchronize either slightly ahead of the next future microsecond or behind enough to catch an image. For example a video of the television sometimes picks up horizontal lines not visible in real-time.


Cool idea, Gort. It definately sounds plausible. Another would be dimension shifting.
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« Reply #926 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:18am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 08:24am, jugement wrote:
HI ALL: IT IS NICE TO BE IMPORTANT< BUT IT IS ALLSO IMPORTANT TO BE NICE! grin


Jugement, you're so cute sometimes. Great wisdom! grin
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« Reply #927 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:26am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 08:30am, jlc767 wrote:
I need some clarification regarding Chad and some of the previous drone-related imagery. What's the story behind most of these sightings? i.e., how did the sighting unfold (decloak?), how many pictures were taken and how did the encounter "end"? Did the drone soar off over a hillside, or cloak? Did Chad (or any of the others) follow the thing? If so, where did it go?

Obviously, I've never seen one of these things, but I can assure you that if I did I'd follow it until I couldn't possibly follow it any further. You know? I'm just sorta surprised that if we have this many witnesses and this amount of imagery - you'd expect more images. And images of a higher quality. And more information in general. If I overlooked something, can someone point me in the right direction to where I can find some of this info?

And, also, most of this drone-related stuff was released on C2C, correct? I'm just trying to fill in the blanks.


Go read the witness reports. Most of them are right here on this website. If you don't understand something about a report then post it and someone will help you. Also, the Chad and Raj photos were released in hi-res format. Raj himself uploaded his hi-res stuff to a flickr account which was upgraded to accept hi-res by spf33. Unfortunately the flickr account was almost immediately hacked.
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« Reply #928 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:29am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 07:47am, Gort wrote:
Somehow this needs to get into the mainstream media and it's surprising to me that it hasn't.


We thought so too and actually attempted such after acquiring some 2,000 media email addresses. However, in the process of following through with these plans, I realized also that if we did and something did become of it but just a dribble, we could easily not only lose Isaac and any further information he may have given us in the future but also we could lose any other whistleblowers that might come forward.

I also considered Isaac's personal life. Not like today's media, I'm not one to upset an individual's personal life.

So, if it were to go into mainstream media it would have to have a tremendous impact on the whole country and not just a dribble in order for the whistleblower's to come out - hence, disclosure.

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« Reply #929 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:38am »

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 08:14am, Gort wrote:
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The recount of your dream brought to mind a song from Eric Burton and the Animals "Spill the Wine". If you've never heard it you might want to check it out, don't know if it means anything though.

SPILL THE WINE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9oZkyz0xco


I added Spill The Wine

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