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« Reply #1005 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 10:37am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 09:38am, jlc767 wrote:
Yep, that's it. Nice work. Now... does that tell us anything about the scanning process or when it was done? Does it help validate "Isaac's" claims? Or detract?

The strange thing about the scans is that we can't see the writings of the back side of the page. It means either:
- Isaac's report is a fake
- he knew he had to put a black sheet of paper to prevent seeing the back side of the page (but we wouldn't see the T of the negative holder)
- the paper was thick but not thick enough to let the T of the negative holder appear.
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« Reply #1006 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 10:39am »

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A few convincing photographs, documents and a few false witnesses are enough to cause a world-wide stir in the UFO community.


Has he even seen the show? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd bet $50 that this doesn't fit their "myth" criteria.

Either way, I won't completely rule it out. But... I just don't think this is the case. It would make for a pretty boring show, no less (all of the results would be based off of internet buzz; how would that make for the appropriate closure I need watching the show?).
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« Reply #1007 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 10:54am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 10:39am, jlc767 wrote:
Has he even seen the show? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd bet $50 that this doesn't fit their "myth" criteria.



I've read somewhere they dont chase ufo and ghost myths.
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« Reply #1008 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 11:01am »

Isaac wrote:

I am also trying to get in touch with the witnesses so far, such as Chad, Rajman, Jenna, Ty, and the Lake Tahoe witness (especially Chad). I have advice for them that may be somewhat helpful in dealing with what they've seen and what I would recommend they do with what they know. If you are one of these witnesses, or can put me in touch with them, please contact Coast to Coast AM and let them know.


I am just curious what advice he would have for them and what he recommends they do.
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #1009 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 11:27am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 10:37am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
The strange thing about the scans is that we can't see the writings of the back side of the page. It means either:
- Isaac's report is a fake
- he knew he had to put a black sheet of paper to prevent seeing the back side of the page (but we wouldn't see the T of the negative holder)
- the paper was thick but not thick enough to let the T of the negative holder appear.


I think you are on the right track...

I went back and pulled documents that I had photocopied in the 1986 time frame... the paper stock we used was thin enough for the background to show through like this...

It appears there is no writing on the back of Isaac's cover page... which may be possible. My photographs did not photocopy well as Isaac's did... even my highest quality was closer to the Q3-85 report, but no where near the Q4-86 report. I believe this is a kiss of death to any validity of the Q4-86 report (at face value)... unless he reproduced it himself from the old report... but he did led the public to believe it was the original copy.
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« Reply #1010 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 11:42am »

The embedded photos in the report are photocopies, but the photos outside the report are actual photos he took back from the lab.
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« Reply #1011 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 12:04pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 11:42am, LAU wrote:
The embedded photos in the report are photocopies, but the photos outside the report are actual photos he took back from the lab.


Yes, I agree (about the differences). But look at the quality of the photos in the "photocopies," and compare Q4-86 with Q3-85 on his website (look at the large images). The difference is startling. It is another red flag that you must consider.

One must examine the integrity of the story and the documents as a whole. Since we can not prove Isaac’s facts… can we find any fallacies or errors? If we can, then we need to ask the question… if this is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth… why are there subtle untruths embedded within it. Why do you have to lie to tell the truth? More so, why are people so willing to blindly believe it. I think we need to check for pyrite before we proclaim eureka! We may have been served a mixed bag or we may just be left holding the bag.


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« Reply #1012 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 12:08pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 11:27am, bakosawa wrote:
I think you are on the right track...


Actually, if he had access to the original file on a computer, he can have printed in a single sided way even if the report was intended to be printed on both sides. I always do that at work because my printer can't print both sides.
It's mad, we can find an explanation for everything !
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« Reply #1013 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 12:10pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 10:37am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
The strange thing about the scans is that we can't see the writings of the back side of the page. It means either:
- Isaac's report is a fake
- he knew he had to put a black sheet of paper to prevent seeing the back side of the page (but we wouldn't see the T of the negative holder)
- the paper was thick but not thick enough to let the T of the negative holder appear.



You are assuming that the reports were printed on both sides of the pages, which isn't always the case. The fact that you can't see printing on the other side doesn't really prove anything.

Just a thought.
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« Reply #1014 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 12:18pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 12:10pm, beenieweenie wrote:
You are assuming that the reports were printed on both sides of the pages, which isn't always the case. The fact that you can't see printing on the other side doesn't really prove anything.

Just a thought.

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« Reply #1015 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 12:22pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 12:10pm, beenieweenie wrote:
You are assuming that the reports were printed on both sides of the pages, which isn't always the case. The fact that you can't see printing on the other side doesn't really prove anything.

Just a thought.


Yeah, they are assuming quite a lot. They don't even know for sure if the T is from a negative holder. It's only a guess. It does not look like it to me. But why don't one of you guys pushing this theory make a scan with a thin piece of white paper and post it? I would but my cheapy scanner does not have a negative holder.
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« Reply #1016 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 12:24pm »

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These objects could very well be fabricated by combining or modifying existing objects (for instance industrial objects) and painting or marking them with "alien" symbols. Certainly something the Mythbusters love to do. The I-beam segments could be simply made ``floating'' using a magnetic field, vacuum suction, fixing the elements in some kind of transparent resin, or by tethering with thin wires.

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even this guy's attempt to debunk the drone thing proves the enormous effort involved in creating a hoax with this level of detail, the expense and talent would involve many talented people and a large chunk of their time. and for what, again? a laugh?

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« Reply #1017 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 12:29pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 12:18pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I think I'm not a good debunker !


No harm in bringing it up though, so we don't have to debate it later on.

I've seen government documents - classified (by accident?) and de-classified - here at work (a surplus dealer) - and if my memory serves me correctly, they're not all double-sided. Most of the stuff we get comes from the Dept of Defense, and SPAWAR (Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center, San Diego) - as well as Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and Boeing (including old McDonnell-Douglas and Convair stuff).



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« Reply #1019 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 12:58pm »

There are objects reflected that are not in the image.

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