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« Reply #1125 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 9:05pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 8:49pm, bakosawa wrote:
This is a con man’s dream… just start the story, and the mark fills in the blanks with what they want to believe, especially if they want to believe it is all true.


con men are motivated by personal gain, and try to make the least effort as profitable as possible

if this is a hoax, the effort made for realistic detail alone is huge, with no obvious way to realize personal gain for all the trouble many people must have gone through to pull it off

has anyone thought about what would motivate a prankster who would create a hoax on this scale?

there is always a motivation

maybe they're a group of highly talented psycopaths out for an elaborate laugh?

maybe a startup production team putting together a body of work to attract future clients with?

thats all i got... thoughts, anyone?

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« Reply #1126 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 9:22pm »

I just love how some folks zero in on one thing and totally disregard all of the rest:

I think the documents are a hoax - therefore the photos are fake, the witnesses are lying, the experts that are asserting their professional opinions (example: the new material LMH has from two separate, on the record, credentialed professionals - and there are more), none of the technology is possible, no ET craft have ever crashed ...... take this sentence and just flip around the words depending on which item you think is hoaxed.

This is just a general observation, so please do not take personal offense.

Why is there a need for some folks to get so defensive? Everyone can benefit from the different viewpoints that are expressed here. As long as people are respectful and not insulting, there shouldn't be any issues. No one is 100% open minded, we all have an opinion that favors one side of this or another, whether we state it openly or not. That's perfectly natural.

If ever there was a time for the UFO community to at least stand together from an investigative standpoint, it's now. There are a lot of new folks here that have made valuable contributions. Let's not scare them off.

It's frustrating to be on "hold" waiting for the next shoe to drop. The ones who believe this is a hoax are nervous to check the thread because maybe absolute proof has been revealed. The ones who think this is legit - and I'm one - are nervous that there will be a big announcement from Hoaxes R Us - ha, ha - GOTHCHA!

Isaac, if you're reading and you're still adhering to your mission, we need you now.
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« Reply #1127 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 9:37pm »

MarkM, I really like the way you look to the issue in some kind of psychological way grin

on Jul 11th, 2007, 9:22pm, MarkM wrote:
Isaac, if you're reading and you're still adhering to your mission, we need you now.


No better time, would it come.

Anyone has info about the High Resolution pictures of the Ty's Drone that LMH said she would release??
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« Reply #1128 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 9:54pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 9:05pm, j w wright wrote:
has anyone thought about what would motivate a prankster who would create a hoax on this scale?

there is always a motivation


Really! Good point JW -- what WOULD the motivation be to do all of this elaborate hoaxing. First, you would have to start twenty years ago and line up the photos and witnesses..... then make 4 different drones and parts to 6 different drones. You would have to go to 6 different cities over several years time span, rig up the drones somehow in the sky and get people to photograph them and lie about them (or somehow produce them as CGI, print them off and get several different people from different parts of the US to send them in with made up stories. THEN.... you would have to research all of the technology from the 80's so you could come up with a very realistic story of technology research from the times, create false documents using a 1980's computer (WHERE they got one of those I haven't a clue -- they went obsolete, lets see -- 20 years ago) then make up a document, then design pieces that look like drone parts and lay them out on a warehouse floor and photograph them, then alter the image so it looks photocopied and scanned from 1987. THEN, they had to design A1, A2 and A3 and take various pictures, meticulously painting on the alien caligraphy. THEN... they would have to make up a fictious person and write a whole dialogue in detail of the emotional, technological and informational side of the entire scheme, and THEN send it in and coordinate ALL of the witnesses and their testimonies.. wHEW I am getting out of breath here. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes and then do all of this for the point of.................
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« Reply #1129 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 9:55pm »

Greetings all--appreciate the fabulous work everyone has done! I am a relatively new lurker -- a now chronic condition brought on by the drone situation. I would like to add a few observations:

(1) Please be aware that LMH now has a vested interest in this story and we should take her 'reporting' with that in mind. I doubt she would put a CGI expert detracting it on her website. I know a bit backstory on her, and although she might seem sincere, she is human and is subject to the same foibles of all reporters -- particularly where personal reference and reputation count for a percentage of the report being considered as real or not. To be clear, I am not saying she is perpetuating a hoax; I am saying that she often sensationalizes, has a leading interview style, and will omit facts. She NEEDS this story to be true! Particularly after the past few years where she has perpetuated stories that were not accurate. A Walter Cronkite, she is not.

(2) As a person who has regularly come in contact with classified documents (including from the 80s), the irregularity of correct 'portion marking' in this document is not unusual--particularly if the program was compartmented (not 'mainstream' classified) and done by contractors. I would not read much into that. In fact, if I were hoaxing it, I would _make sure_ to get it correct. The style, tone, format and general 'information architecture' would be something typically found.

(3) In terms of the document 'having legs' let me assure you that back in the 80s they were nowhere near as security conscious as they are today and seemed more concerned with having security that would protect instrusion than of things getting out. That is, I have worked in a SCIF (Secure Compartmented Information Facility) where inside the facility, things were pretty lax, particularly where many documents are flying around mid-project. Getting things out of the facility can be rather easy -- even today. Disks, drives, documents are not always accounted for in the strictest way. And, a nod to the security guy who you have seen and talked to everyday for years is usually the ticket you would need. But, god forbid, you tried to enter a facility with a cell phone, or brought a radio to your office!

(4) I suspect only portions of this were released for many reasons. It is enough to whet an appetite and show knowledge and try to establish credibility--not solve the puzzle. Giving away the entire engineering would have the MIBs at your door pronto! Showing something that is ultimately not definitive, he has a chance of a normal life and for not throwing civilization and its lingua franca on its head all at once. It's not meant to be totally understood, and most likely, the key piece will not be released. It was a conversation starter, not stopper.

My post is neither pro nor con -- just observations.
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« Reply #1130 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 9:58pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 9:37pm, Arkhangels wrote:
MarkM, I really like the way you look to the issue in some kind of psychological way grin



Yeah, Mark -- I like your approach too, always rational and you think outside of the box too.

Hey, Arkhangels.... were you the one that said you were from Brazil? What is the UFO scene like over there?
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« Reply #1131 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 10:03pm »

Welcome NChant! Excellent first post and hopefully one of many.

Groan. Really .... pretty soon "drone syndrome" will start popping up in medical publications.

Unfortunately, as of this moment in time there's no known cure. Maybe we should consider a Telethon smiley.
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« Reply #1132 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 10:20pm »

I think I have Drone-itis -- Gee I really hope there is a cream for that!!!

Oh, and welcome to "DAA" -- NChant.
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« Reply #1133 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 11:33pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 5:24pm, urantia606 wrote:
Linda Howe has just posted two reports by engineers as to their opinion of the Drones....a great read. We haven't heard the end of this by a long shot.

Stand by for many more revelations........

http://earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1284&category=Environment


Nice observations from Mr. Shumacher and Dr. Reyes. though somewhat elementary and obvious to probably most professionals in the field....who choose to give a moment's serious thought to the Isaac material.

Schumacher's "molecular level quantum technology" assessment of the Isaac- Et computing principle is in the right direction but is not, as Dr Reyes notes, minute enough. But both gentlemen say essentially the same. Schumacher takes us on a programming flight that is outdated as he says, but also unecessary at this point...for reasons of advancement in his field since retirement....and the lack of direction from Isaac that the ET computing logic and architecture even remotely resemble human paradigms.

In my prior posts I also concluded like Dr Reyes that quantum technologies would be most likely the technology used to "handle/permit "billions of meanings" in a 3d matrix. It is nice to hear Dr Reyes' further delineation of the types of degeneracies that might allow for "billions" of meanings within single symbols. I go further and suggest quantum degeneracies naturally co-evolved with the complexity, and meme-evolution of ET "language".

I don't agree that Isaac clearly described the i-beams as homogeous, metalurgically, although he used the term "homogeneous".

I suspect the beams are grossly non-homogenous and composite. And minutely partitioned into homogeneous self-contained functional islands. Also assume very-advanced AI principles are at work which delegate subordinate function to ibeams and have top level CCC system organization.

The holographic quantum level functionalism, with compartmentalization, allows for extremely high redundancy in emergencies.

Or should, until ET runs into a lightning storm ....unlikely....which is why sometimes i have problems with the whole Isaac concept...Et over centuries if not thousands of years of visiting here would by 1986 or 1947 learned to detect, avoid or counter lightning storms...even our propeller planes can detect storms...they jsut are not fast enough to escape sometimes.

One big problem with trying to evaluate Isaac's documents in-depth are the instances of ambiguity in several areas. Untangling (non-quantum mechanical) these problems require more info.


Both evaluations should be personally and professionally confirming to most technically adept persons eading the Isaac materials. Hopefully, both gentlemen are now in the game and will have more comments when and if Isaac releases more info that is even more detailed/technical.

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« Reply #1134 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 12:04am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 11:33pm, Farmboy wrote:
Nice observations from Mr. Shumacher and Dr. Reyes. though somewhat elementary and obvious to probably most professionals in the field....who choose to give a moment's serious thought to the Isaac material.
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Both evaluations should be personally and professionally confirming to most technically adept persons eading the Isaac materials. Hopefully, both gentlemen are now in the game and will have more comments when and if Isaac releases more info that is even more detailed/technical.

I couldn't agree with you more...

I would love to see Isaac explain as much as he knows about the physics behind anti-gravity and invisibility. Maybe those extra 7 dimensions really are useful for something.


Oh, and as promissed (though several days late), here is my cat's pet alien (is it real or CGI?):

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on Jul 12th, 2007, 12:04am, windupbird wrote:
I couldn't agree with you more, Farmboy.

I would love to see Isaac explain as much as he knows about the physics behind anti-gravity and invisibility. Maybe those extra 7 dimensions really are useful for something.


Oh, and as promissed (though several days late), here is my cat's pet alien (is it real or CGI?):

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Welcome aboard windup...are you new overall or just in this sub-thread? Have you commented, or formed an opinion, on the "language" primer?
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« Reply #1136 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 12:37am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 10:20pm, castles4me wrote:
I think I have Drone-itis -- Gee I really hope there is a cream for that!!!

Oh, and welcome to "DAA" -- NChant.
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I, too, am suffering from Isaac Syndrone--but I am hooked, so creams, salves, balms, unguents and poultices be damned: I am in this for the long haul.
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« Reply #1137 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 12:45am »

This Friday evening, July 13th, George Noory will be a guest on Larry King Live as part of a show on the 60th anniversary of Roswell. The program will air on CNN at 6pm PT/ 9pm ET, with a replay at 9pm PT/ 12am ET.

CNN has a form to use to submit questions for the show. I think we should all send questions about the the drones/Isaac docs for Larry to discuss with George. This could be the big media break this story needs.

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.html

Be sure to mention that the questions are for George Noory, it appears to be a generic form. I mentioned in mine that the story first broke on George's show. You may want to do the same.
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« Reply #1138 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 01:05am »

watchingwaiting: I could not agree more.

This may or may not be our big break to get this issue out into the mainstream media. Every user on this forum owes it to every other user and themselves to fill out that form. Whether this is a hoax or the real deal, once this is out in the mainstream, the truth will come THAT much faster.
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« Reply #1139 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 01:11am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 9:05pm, j w wright wrote:
if this is a hoax, the effort made for realistic detail alone is huge, with no obvious way to realize personal gain for all the trouble many people must have gone through to pull it off


I think the odds of it being a hoax are extremely small not only for the reasons you listed JW but the fact that it is flawless in it's execution. Even with all of it's complexity there is not one part that does not fit. Not one screw up or detail left undone. Those who scream hoax can never site one bit of proof or smoking gun.
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