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« Reply #1200 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 1:15pm »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 6:22pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey, Fig, isn't the tone of your last post a little emotional? You even call Isaac, crafty. I know you disregard the whole Drone story but try and stay calm and not become too ruffled and agitated.


I was writing as an objective mental health clinician; I was not in a dispassionate state. Lie detection is something I do in my work with convicts, a good many of them professional criminals who are convincing habitual liars, having lied successfully 99 times out of a hundred attempts. Regarding Isaac's written disclosure, I see evidence of performance anxiety, that is, anxiety about whether he is telling his lie in a sufficiently convincing manner. I realize he is anxious about being identified and punished, and he is explicit about this. But this is not the type of anxiety I detect in his writing that concerns me. At places he overdoes it. For example, the inclusion of the definition of extraction is pedantic in a way that attempts to make the excerpt of the so-called summary research report seem official and issued from on high. In addition, the tone of the writing in the narrative is emotional in an unbefiting way given the professed background of the author. It would have served him better to have been low key and to have understated his case (since he says that more disclosures may follow). He drops bombs without any a professional regard for following their detonation with even a condensed and abbreviated scientific exposition.

I have offered merely my professional opinion, and I readily acknowledge that I my evalution may be incorrect.
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« Reply #1201 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 1:18pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 1:09pm, Arkhangels wrote:
Yes I'm the guy from Brazil hehe
The UFO issue here is diffuse, there's always lectures and discussions concerning military and civilians.

Were you around in ’77? Live anywhere near Colares in the Pará region. (Uyrangê Hollanda). I've always wondered what the local view of these events is now. (i.e. Present day)
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« Reply #1202 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 1:20pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 1:09pm, Arkhangels wrote:
Yes I'm the guy from Brazil hehe
The UFO issue here is diffuse, there's always lectures and discussions concerning military and civilians. But the Drone/Isaac/Caret subject still unknown by the masses and great part of the ufology guys. I'm not sure but I think that I am one of few brazilians that know about all of this... what is sad.


Please by all means spread the news, my friends in Australia are loving this as much as we are.
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« Reply #1203 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 1:31pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 1:09pm, Arkhangels wrote:
Yes I'm the guy from Brazil hehe
The UFO issue here is diffuse, there's always lectures and discussions concerning military and civilians. But the Drone/Isaac/Caret subject still unknown by the masses and great part of the ufology guys. I'm not sure but I think that I am one of few brazilians that know about all of this... what is sad.


Maybe you can go in their ufo forums and copy the links to the isaaccaret fortunecity website, to ufocasebook and to earthfiles.com

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/
http://earthfiles.com/
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« Reply #1204 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 1:32pm »

fig just a thought here....
I am in no way any kind of psych, not 'co, nor 'cotic, or 'cotherapist, but I have had close contact with all types of criminals. Wouldn't the end justify the means ? Criminals are doing something for personal gain, to not get caught, "isaac" is in a totally different position, I don't think that is a fair comparison.
I'll re-read it again......maybe I am 'co, or 'otic lol.
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« Reply #1205 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 2:06pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 10:57am, bonehead wrote:

Let's face it, NONE of us has a corner on the truth. We are all just guessing here. The problems start when somebody decides that their guess is in some way better than the guesses of others.


I agree with what you say there.

As for myself i am still somewhat sceptic about this whole thing, too many question raised, too few answered (atleast for me). For example did any gain contact with "chad" yet? or is he still missing? And what about the other witnesses? How did Isaac sneak all these documents out from that facility?
That's just some of the questions that i've been wondering about in this case so far.

I really do want to believe that this thing is true but something just keeps on holding me back and i don't know what it is, maybe the lack of more scientists coming forward or the lack of more drone witnesses that doesn't disappear. But if it's true then there must be someone else out there that got the proof needed to verify the drones and their origin, only time will tell that though.
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« Reply #1206 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 2:07pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 1:15pm, figneutron wrote:
He (Isaac) drops bombs without any a professional regard for following their detonation with even a condensed and abbreviated scientific exposition (explanation).



Isaac drops bombs? Yes he did but that is exactly why provided copies of the photos, language and '87 4th Qtr Report.

What Isaac is saying, in my opinion, is that the current state of SECRECY about these things is rediculous.

We're grown up now. We don't need the government to PROTECT us from reality.

By the way. Fig. Am I correct? English is not your first language?

Thanks for your evaluation. Very Interesting.
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« Reply #1207 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 2:10pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 1:15pm, figneutron wrote:
I was writing as an objective mental health clinician; I was not in a dispassionate state. Lie detection is something I do in my work with convicts, a good many of them professional criminals who are convincing habitual liars, having lied successfully 99 times out of a hundred attempts. Regarding Isaac's written disclosure, I see evidence of performance anxiety, that is, anxiety about whether he is telling his lie in a sufficiently convincing manner. I realize he is anxious about being identified and punished, and he is explicit about this. But this is not the type of anxiety I detect in his writing that concerns me. At places he overdoes it. For example, the inclusion of the definition of extraction is pedantic in a way that attempts to make the excerpt of the so-called summary research report seem official and issued from on high. In addition, the tone of the writing in the narrative is emotional in an unbefiting way given the professed background of the author. It would have served him better to have been low key and to have understated his case (since he says that more disclosures may follow). He drops bombs without any a professional regard for following their detonation with even a condensed and abbreviated scientific exposition.

I have offered merely my professional opinion, and I readily acknowledge that I my evalution may be incorrect.


And I remember well, the quote below where you were quoting Latitude. So then we can say that you do believe that the drones exist, or at least one of them. So if just one drone exist, the possibilty that Isaac's work is not a hoax is still actually pretty good.

Have you yet listened to the Shirley Podcast?

on Jul 2nd, 2007, 11:17am, Latitude wrote:
To many of you this may be old news but you can listen to the audio of the LMH interview of the recent Alabama drone witness.

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode19mp3.html


on Jul 2nd, 2007, 6:28pm, figneutron wrote:
I am a psychotherapist with more than 25 years of experience. One of my areas of expertise is diagnosis and treatment of psychopathic personality disorder. To cut to the chase, it's very difficult for a con man or pathological liar to deceive me. I listened to Linda Moulton-Howe's interview with "Ted Connors (alias)" the security technician who saw the strange craft at close range a few days ago near Maxwell AFB outside Montgomery, Alambama. I am convinced that this man is telling the truth, and, therefore, the strange craft is not a hoax. Any problems with the photographs of the ET drone are immaterial.

Any one who wants to hear the truth can do so at www.unknowncountry/podcast. It's a 19.6 mb mp3 download.

Let's all move on and get to the botton of this enigma.


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« Reply #1208 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 2:35pm »

As I said before..I'm watching in (almost) silence.. cheesy

As for the size of the artifacts lying on the floor of a hangar...

The square parts of the floor are the size how one are making cement (concrete) elements. They have to be a size workable for environment and so on..

You see the same in old German highways made out of cement, due to heat and cold, there has to be limited parts, you simply can't build it in one piece.

If someone knows how far the distance between these cement parts that fits the ground of an airfield hangar..then you not only have the size of the artifacts, but also the truth of these photo's...IF the elements of an airbase floor can be verified by a constructor.

Someone sure knows of this??

Just another thought,

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« Reply #1209 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 3:25pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 2:07pm, urantia606 wrote:
What Isaac is saying, in my opinion, is that the current state of SECRECY about these things is rediculous.

We're grown up now. We don't need the government to PROTECT us from reality.



urantia606, while this seems reasonable... I'm not so sure that the ramifications are as oblivious as one may think.

If you are the only nation on the planet with this type of technology, just think about what would happen if it became public? Other nations would demand that it be shared, some that are friendly and some not so friendly. What happens if it falls into the “wrong” hands? Just look at the world today… and tell me how stable it is, no really… are you willing to hand out a technology that would make nukes look like kindergarten toys to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the planet? Really? The weight of such a decision would be unbelievable… and if you do not share it with everyone, there are those that would be willing to kill for it. Just look at past history.

I don’t know… I think deniability is probably the only choice someone could make when faced with this type of a decision.

If the rumors are true and if the technology is real, it sounds like it is slowing making its way into the mainstream… probably as fast as we can accept it. This is just my speculation.
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« Reply #1210 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 3:33pm »

I sent my Larry King email too.

I wonder if others outside of this thread are doing the same?

Other forums may send questions that are not related to the drone case. Which may dilute us.



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« Reply #1211 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 4:00pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 3:33pm, AgentM wrote:
I sent my Larry King email too.

I wonder if others outside of this thread are doing the same?

Other forums may send questions that are not related to the drone case. Which may dilute us.





AgentM......has anyone ever said you might be a control freak?

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« Reply #1212 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 4:02pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 3:33pm, AgentM wrote:
I sent my Larry King email too.

I wonder if others outside of this thread are doing the same?
OMF are but their comments/questions should be similar.
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« Reply #1213 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 4:11pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 3:25pm, bakosawa wrote:
urantia606, while this seems reasonable... I'm not so sure that the ramifications are as oblivious as one may think.

If you are the only nation on the planet with this type of technology, just think about what would happen if it became public? Other nations would demand that it be shared, some that are friendly and some not so friendly. What happens if it falls into the “wrong” hands? Just look at the world today… and tell me how stable it is, no really… are you willing to hand out a technology that would make nukes look like kindergarten toys to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the planet? Really? The weight of such a decision would be unbelievable… and if you do not share it with everyone, there are those that would be willing to kill for it. Just look at past history.

I don’t know… I think deniability is probably the only choice someone could make when faced with this type of a decision.

If the rumors are true and if the technology is real, it sounds like it is slowing making its way into the mainstream… probably as fast as we can accept it. This is just my speculation.


You bring up a good point and one that I have touched on in the past. Let's hope Isaac has already thought this aspect through. Even if he blacks out the sensitive parts there may be foreign agents who would love to get their hands on this. But at the same time I keep getting this nagging idea that the technology is so far beyond out present day science that the dark side of it is a moot point. In other words, so what if the technology can be used for sinister purposes. Nobody can figure it out any way.
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« Reply #1214 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 4:14pm »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 2:35pm, VonStern wrote:
As I said before..I'm watching in (almost) silence.. cheesy

As for the size of the artifacts lying on the floor of a hangar...

The square parts of the floor are the size how one are making cement (concrete) elements. They have to be a size workable for environment and so on..

You see the same in old German highways made out of cement, due to heat and cold, there has to be limited parts, you simply can't build it in one piece.

If someone knows how far the distance between these cement parts that fits the ground of an airfield hangar..then you not only have the size of the artifacts, but also the truth of these photo's...IF the elements of an airbase floor can be verified by a constructor.

Someone sure knows of this??

Just another thought,

VonStern


As I see it, this photo of the Artifacts are real, as i do not assume anyone to hoax the underneath floor.

Maybe it will be hard to determine the lines, as there are more than one size of elements to be seen on the photo's. What is not unlikely, since it's probably indoors.
The size of the elements may therefore vary, and I'm not sure if this can be verified.

It WAS just a thought, though.

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