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« Reply #1260 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 07:20am »

Hi all,

Been quietly looking at the Isaac stuff and i'm picking through his letter for stuff of interest and i was wondering if somebody could help me.

In the letter when Isaac starts talking about the "Language" and he states:

"In fact, it was this technology that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the Chad and Rajman photos, AND EVEN MORE SO IN THE BIG BASIN PHOTOS".

I went back to the Big Basin photo's because as i recall I didn't actually remember seeing any language on those images and when i looked at them (It's difficult because the resolution is so low) i noticed that there were flat panels with possible information on?

From a great distance I can see that they look similair to the linguistic analysis primer diagrams. I'm just wondering if it was these panels that Isacc was refering to, because i can't see any language anywhere else on the craft. I'm just wondering why he says The Big Basin photographs got his interest the most when he is discussing "The Language"
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« Reply #1261 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 07:20am »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 9:24pm, j w wright wrote:
proof is more than a gut feeling, hoaxes have been easy to reveal

if it is one, the perpetrators should be given an award and then shot without ceremony


Excellent post jw, since you're rendering some things you should know.
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« Reply #1262 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 07:24am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 02:10am, Krieger99 wrote:
I'm quite skeptical of the idea of anti-gravity. Anti-gravity was an idea originally formulated by Einstein to explain why all the matter in the universe didn't fall into one point as a result of gravity (this would happen according to his theories of relativity). However, the need for anti-gravity was eliminated when Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe was actually expanding. He knew this because almost all the distant galaxies he observed were "red-shifted", which meant that they were moving away from the point of observation and thus had their wavelengths increased, resulting in the light rays being "shifted" towards the left (red) on the electromagnetic spectrum. Since the universe was expanding, it abolished the need for a counter-gravitational force.

Einstein adamently refused to believe the universe was expanding (the same way he refused to believe the Uncertainty Principle). But as you can see, the idea of anti-gravity is mostly an obsolete topic. I still think this is one big hoax, but we'll find out for sure eventually.


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« Reply #1263 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 07:26am »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 11:49pm, jlc767 wrote:
j.w., concerning your I-beam render:

What program are you using? And, also, does it appear to you that the left I-beam is shorter than the right? I'm not sure if this has been covered or not, but either the scale between the two is off, or, perhaps, one of the I-beams circumference is more narrow (like an ellipse)? Perhaps this could account for some reflection anomalies?


i'm using corel draw for the ibeam cross section vector and 3ds max for modelling and rendering with mental ray

yeah, the beams are different lengths, but the same circumference, i have the small one at 70° and the longer one at 100°, best guessing everything until issac coughs up some blueprints

i wouldnt think they're ellipses, looking at the geometry of the rest of the drone

funny, i dont recognize these ibeams on any drone, if they are placed in space where the antigrav unit puts them in that one pic, i'm wondering how they relate to the drone at all
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« Reply #1264 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 07:34am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 02:10am, Krieger99 wrote:
I'm quite skeptical of the idea of anti-gravity.


look for Guidelines to Antigravity" by Dr. Robert Forward

as soon as i find a copy online, i'll post it, bob forward was a brilliant theorist, and a damn fine writer

nice guy, too.
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« Reply #1265 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 07:34am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 05:37am, LAU wrote:
My 2 cents:

If this is a hoax, then 2 different methods of creating the parts were used, maybe to test the theory which one would be debunked first, and if CGI already reached a stage that can fool humans.

The drones are models, and were used on the outside to create credible photos.
The object, shadows, optical lens effects (etc) are consistent and show no proof of cgi.

The antigravity device was rendered as CGI. It was printed on a photo, scratched, and then scanned to look more realistic.

About the antigravity device:

Has anyone noticed how the drone is white (realistic paint) and the other is pure black?

Has anyone noticed that such a black shiny device would show finger prints, even the slightest scratch would be visible! Shinny black is the worst color of all!

The antigravity device, a super shinny & clean device, was photographed with no top light (unrealistic) and shows no reflections of the environment outside the floor and the beams... strange.

Has anyone noticed that antigravity device is only half a device, that the other half is a perfect mirror image, even the symbols are reversed?
Maybe the CGI designer got so tired of it, it decided to mirror the other half so it would cut the creation time in half.

There's something fishy with the antigravity device photos... maybe the shadows, maybe the floor (too damn clean!) ... and after the last renderings by j w wright I believe they are CGI.

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LAU, if they were man-made materials I could see your point but chances are they are not. I'm referring to the Anti-Grav Device, some materials reflect light, some absorb light, without knowing what it's made of I wouldn't compare it to what we have.
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« Reply #1266 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 07:49am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 05:37am, LAU wrote:
and after the last renderings by j w wright I believe they are CGI.
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i can see how it is easy to think that the items are virtual, but upon very close inspection, the items have too many natural geometric imperfections and none of them appear to be the typical surface noise algorythms used in most 3d programs (they're apparent when you use them often)

if they were done by hand, the polygon count would be off the scale and the two ibeams alone would cause a well equipped machine to burst into flames... ( a little exagerration... )

let alone the extra time for that effort... so much detail, its maddening and completely unnecessary for the drone pics we've seen so far

the inventory pic would require access to a fairly modern supercomputer to produce models that can be rendered from any distance, the telltale giveaway for cgi is perfect geometry, and for large round objects, polygon scalloping can always be detected, unless a very high number of polygons are used... more than would ever be needed for motion picture sequences and would drop a typical work station to its knees, unless you had access to a render farm and a big chunk of time alloted

expense and detail, beyond any typical hoax. so much effort... its very interesting

has there been a hoax to compare to this? i dont recall one, anybody?

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« Reply #1267 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 08:00am »

"and for large round objects, polygon scalloping can always be detected, unless a very high number of polygons are used"
I have to disagree..if u export to .3ds no poly will show..as for .obj....use smooth / loop in your renderengine.
( btw , i don't believe this is a hoax)
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« Reply #1268 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 08:14am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 06:00am, LAU wrote:
Can the images be part of a large viral campaign to launch a new [u]3D rendering software[/u


in order for a viral campaign to have value there must be a connection to a property, and it should be obvious enough for casually interested potential customers to identify

if this is a viral, it was expensive and poorly executed
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« Reply #1269 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 08:14am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 07:49am, j w wright wrote:
has there been a hoax to compare to this? i dont recall one, anybody?



Not sure ... but there are very good quality renderings made for sci-fi.
They have huge detail because they are shown in the big screen. Ex in the movie Poseidon.
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« Reply #1270 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 08:30am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 07:34am, LangLee wrote:
I wouldn't compare it to what we have.



I would! grin
Although is alien, the outer shell of the beams must be made of solid material.
Unless it's organic, I don't see why this material would auto-clean itself of fingerprints and other dirt, since it's not it's purpose.
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« Reply #1271 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 08:37am »

j w wright:

Can you find a chromatic aberration filter, and apply it in a rendered cgi?
You know, the magenta/cyan shifting cameras lens do on the photos.
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #1272 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 09:23am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 07:34am, LangLee wrote:
LAU, if they were man-made materials I could see your point but chances are they are not. I'm referring to the Anti-Grav Device, some materials reflect light, some absorb light, without knowing what it's made of I wouldn't compare it to what we have.


This is an area of physics that you really need to be in the field to stand a chance speculating on it.

Yes, you can absorb light and you can scatter light (which is how we see color via absorption and scatter), but do not forget that you can bend light (you can polarize light, light behaves as a wave, light behaves as a particle).

And for those who do not believe in anti-grav… kept in mind, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction (lets not get caught up in sub-atomic stuff where things get weird).

(PS... wanted to add there are levels of translucent to transparent as well… there could be multiple layers with varying levels opacity… if I were to go along with this line of thought, but I am not seeing any visual evidence in these photographs to support any of this).

Also... I guess I should mention gloss too, since it is an attribute of appearance. We can talk about light sources (as in D65, A or F22). The photo show what appears to be object coated with a high gloss “coating.” But if you have ever dealt with appearance issues, one can hide many things in a photograph that you would have seen in person. There is just no substitute for holding it in your hands.
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« Reply #1273 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 09:46am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 08:00am, benzjie wrote:
if u export to .3ds no poly will show..as for .obj....use smooth / loop in your renderengine.


i'd like to see some examples of that, regardless of format, they're still polygons. it is in the number, even nurbs surfaces must have a very high iteration value to appear smooth

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The scalloping on the high poly is subtle, but still detectable, and would not be apparent on a model used in a hollywood motion picture
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« Reply #1274 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 09:49am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 08:14am, LAU wrote:
Not sure ... but there are very good quality renderings made for sci-fi.
They have huge detail because they are shown in the big screen. Ex in the movie Poseidon.


what appears on the big screen has much less detail than you think, the models dont have to be very high polygon, especially with movement

close up photographs of those models from the movies, however, will reveal all the telltale signs of cgi
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