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« Reply #1275 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 09:54am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 08:37am, LAU wrote:
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Can you find a chromatic aberration filter, and apply it in a rendered cgi?
You know, the magenta/cyan shifting cameras lens do on the photos.


i suppose so, i havent heard of one being used at render time, possibly a post production filter... photoshop for still renderings... i havent heard of a filter to reproduce that lens error, but i dont think it would be terribly hard to do in photoshop, talk about a minute detail!
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« Reply #1276 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 09:55am »

In wondering about the question of why would the language be on the devices (antigrav and i-beams) and on the drones... when the alien's ability to communicate goes far beyond the need to "read" something. Remember, Isaac said that the language that is there is the program that makes it "go." The language itself is what activates it. Black and white is just common.... would you prefer they have used pink??
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« Reply #1277 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:00am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 09:46am, j w wright wrote:
The scalloping on the high poly is subtle, but still detectable, and would not be apparent on a model used in a hollywood motion picture



You are right about the poly count. Specially with ultra-shinny black objects being rendered that reflect everything. Scalloping would be very visible.
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« Reply #1278 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:02am »

Interestingly, the Larry King website doesn't even mention George Noorey, just Buzz Aldrin and ex governor Symington. Was this changed?
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« Reply #1279 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:03am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 09:54am, j w wright wrote:
i suppose so, i havent heard of one being used at render time, possibly a post production filter...


Not, it aplies to the 3D objects, otherwise it's not realistic.
Check here: http://www.ozone3d.net/demos_projects/images/chromatic_aberration/licorne_001_w570.jpg
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« Reply #1280 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:09am »

its reasonable to assume that biological beings would at least make use of the e.m. spectrum that is visible to us. its a uniqe section of the spectrum, that conveys quite a bit of visual information in the form of colors that we and others beings would find very useful

the contrast between black and white is likely a universal thing, even if you are a race that also uses the infrared and ultraviolet wavelengths to sense radiation bouncing off of objects for visual detection (you know, seeing)

(i wonder what the drone parts look like in other wavelengths?)

and language? written and spoken would still be useful to any sentient beings for information transfer

compare our ancestors scribblings and grunts from a hundred thousand years ago to what we employ today

telepathy? i'm not convinced that is real, but if so, that only works when one person communicates to another, what about when no one is around?

graphical information would still be practical
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« Reply #1281 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:15am »

http://sev.prnewswire.com/homeland-security/20070709/NEM13309072007-1.html
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« Reply #1282 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:15am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 10:03am, LAU wrote:
Not, it aplies to the 3D objects, otherwise it's not realistic.


like lens flares, which were originally unwanted artifacts of photography, they eventually found their way into artistic aesthetic

that lens/digital sensor error might also find its place as well, heres a great primer on the phenomena:

http://www.campratty.com/4tooltours/kz/pdf/ChromaticAberrationFilter2006.pdf
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« Reply #1283 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:28am »

You have to subdivide / smooth your mesh..then export to .3ds.

!st example is done with anim8or...a very easy to use 3d modelling prog.

2nd example is the exported 3ds file rendered with kerkythea, a stand alone renderengine..low settings

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But to render somthing as complex as the drones will take "some" time


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« Reply #1284 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:51am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 10:28am, benzjie wrote:
You have to subdivide / smooth your mesh..then export to .3ds.



zoom in on the edge of the smoothed sphere, sure it looks unscalloped from a distance.

why export the file? it has to be opened in a program to be rendered

arent you exporting it then importing it back into the program?

looks like the meshsmooth modifier in 3ds max, which simply subdivides the existing polys to make it appear more smooth, still have to have pretty high iterations to reduce edge scalloping = more resource heavy on a workstation

try it on a cylinder or torus and zoom in tight on those edges
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« Reply #1285 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:57am »

still have to have pretty high iterations to reduce edge scalloping = more resource heavy on a workstation


exactly..and thats why i said that rendering a drone ( probably using mlt or bipt with hdri) will take the better of 3 days..and even then i wonder if it's a perfect render.
Thats why i don't believe this is a hoax.

ps..looking at the edge shows insufficient AA..will give it a go with better, heavier , longer taking, AA
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« Reply #1286 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 10:59am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 07:20am, Dontdenyme wrote:
Hi all,
Been quietly looking at the Isaac stuff and i'm picking through his letter for stuff of interest and i was wondering if somebody could help me.

In the letter when Isaac starts talking about the "Language" and he states:

"In fact, it was this technology that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the Chad and Rajman photos, AND EVEN MORE SO IN THE BIG BASIN PHOTOS".

I went back to the Big Basin photo's because as i recall I didn't actually remember seeing any language on those images and when i looked at them (It's difficult because the resolution is so low) i noticed that there were flat panels with possible information on?

From a great distance I can see that they look similair to the linguistic analysis primer diagrams. I'm just wondering if it was these panels that Isacc was refering to, because i can't see any language anywhere else on the craft. I'm just wondering why he says The Big Basin photographs got his interest the most when he is discussing "The Language"


Then that would be your answer.... the Big Bason drone had the panels with the linguistics primer ON them! I am really sure that piqued his interes. The other drones only had the written language. Therefore, it would seem that the smaller drones are the lesser in what they are capable of doing and that the linguistics primers were for something more advanced for the larger more "sinister" looking Big Basin drone. So, the answer to what the pointy appendage on the Big Basin drone does would lie in the linguistics primer pages.
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #1287 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 11:05am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 10:09am, j w wright wrote:
its reasonable to assume that biological beings would at least make use of the e.m. spectrum that is visible to us. its a uniqe section of the spectrum, that conveys quite a bit of visual information in the form of colors that we and others beings would find very useful

the contrast between black and white is likely a universal thing, even if you are a race that also uses the infrared and ultraviolet wavelengths to sense radiation bouncing off of objects for visual detection (you know, seeing)

(i wonder what the drone parts look like in other wavelengths?)

and language? written and spoken would still be useful to any sentient beings for information transfer.


One has to assume that optical technology was incorporated into the craft… what evidence are you seeing that guides you that way?
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« Reply #1288 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 11:13am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 11:05am, bakosawa wrote:
One has to assume that optical technology was incorporated into the craft… what evidence are you seeing that guides you that way?


i didnt say that, not on the craft, on the e.t.'s themselves

they have eyes and can see things, i meant the likely wavelengths they are sensitive to
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« Reply #1289 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 11:18am »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 08:30am, LAU wrote:
I would! grin
Although is alien, the outer shell of the beams must be made of solid material.
Unless it's organic, I don't see why this material would auto-clean itself of fingerprints and other dirt, since it's not it's purpose.

Fingerprints may hamper it's operation much like not touching a lens on a laserbecause of the oil in our skin.
There's programming language on it, wouldn't want anything else on it.
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