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« Reply #1305 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 12:43pm »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:18pm, Latitude wrote:
As far the technology goes, none of us have a clue, and that includes you dr dill. How can we speculate on what is wrong with the craft design?

No one said there was anything wrong with the craft design!! I was merely saying that I PERSONALLY would have thought that displaying the, “Language” on the underside of the wing was an error in judgement for something so secret.

on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:18pm, Latitude wrote:
Remember these craft are usually invisible.
But speaking of things being visible, your close mind is starting to show.


You are countering my question with a supposition, if they are,”Usually invisible” does that mean you are accepting as fact everything that has been reported?

RE: “close mind is starting to show” To be honest it’s getting ridiculous, every time somebody questions something or relates a point that they feel is questionable then this is the kind of response they get.

Why!! For having the audacity to question uncorroborated evidence?

And, “Speaking of things being visible” your animosity to everyone who doesn’t adhere to your beliefs is certainly visible as are your unfounded and tactless accusations.
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« Reply #1306 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 12:45pm »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:22pm, MarkM wrote:
I've been operating under the impression that the drones in the photos were man made craft based on the recovered ET technology.


hmm! i've been operating under the impression that the drone modules are et hardware and we're figuring out how they work by studying them and flying them, hence the accidental exposures

i assumed everyone thought the way i did, like you might have, too...

whats the consensus here? anyone under an even different impression? we should maybe try to get on the same page somehow... if its important

maybe it isnt?
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« Reply #1307 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 12:46pm »

With all due respect, Latitute, we've pulled off some pretty amazing technological feats without ET assistance, especially in the last decade or so. The list is long and impressive.

As a child, many years ago, I was privy to some things that maybe I shouldn't have been. Objects floating in air, for one. Fluid that was able to "climb" out of a beaker, for another. So my mind has been open to the possibilities for a very long time.

You may be correct and these are ET craft ( I kind of hope they are), but I can't discount what man himself might have achieved on his own (or with help).

In regards to thinking "outside the box", I've made a career of that. I can assure you, I'm no where near that darn box smiley.
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« Reply #1308 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 12:48pm »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:32pm, urantia606 wrote:
it is in the best interest for all involved to let this flap blow over.......and see what happens.......


i'm betting that all sightings will dry up for a decade or two, the whole operation could be put on ice till interest blows over...

if its et tech, we've had it for a looooong time and its not going anywhere, they're not in any hurry

pity though, if true
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« Reply #1309 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 12:52pm »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:18pm, Latitude wrote:
How can we speculate on what is wrong with the craft design?


I think you are right on the money. How can we even pretend to know an alien mind, motivation, technology. It is, of course, all fun sport, like speculating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. But, at the end of the day, knowing the how's or why's as to any of ET thought processes is only speculation. But do please continue! wink
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« Reply #1310 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 12:56pm »

Absolutely, we're applying human logic, theory, experience and expectations to what is in every way an "alien" event.
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« Reply #1311 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 12:56pm »

How the Drones work:

1. The large ring is the power source.

2. The wing or paddle is the Direction Finder. it always first points in the direction you want to go. The lettering on the UNDERSIDE have to do with the control device....sort of like an antenna .

3. The spikes control the yaw and pitch. They keep the craft in level flight by bleeding off or attracting energy in the desired direction and amounts.

IMO, and from observations this appears to be how it might operate.

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« Reply #1312 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 1:05pm »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:56pm, MarkM wrote:
Absolutely, we're applying human logic, theory, experience and expectations to what is in every way an "alien" event.


Yes, indeed. My point here is that we all know that this is mostly speculation, based on something we don't even know is true. But, if I may be so bold as to put it in a broader context, this is what We [Humanity] do! The caliber of minds, imagination, curiosity, accuracy, guesses, all of it, displayed here by you all. It is the very reason Mankind is not still living in caves throwing stones. You all truly impress the Hell out of me. The skeptics, the believers, the in-betweens. The very exercise you are all engaged in is the best indication that your species can and will continue to thrive, evolve and inquire. Maybe, just maybe it IS the journey that matters.
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« Reply #1313 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 1:05pm »

MarkM hang in there with me as I try to figure this out...

on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:22pm, MarkM wrote:
Kind of a mishmash of thoughts here -

About the language / symbols in regard to color. Maybe I missed something, but I've been operating under the impression that the drones in the photos were man made craft based on the recovered ET technology. In other words, ET might not need to see the language, but we do. Of the wreckage displayed on the floor, I see only one symbol, the cross type one in a circle. I also got the impression that the black parts are interior parts. The writing on the "wings" may simply be to identify the craft type to ground control so that the proper signal is transmitted.



If this is back engineered… in order to work… would one have to use the same raw materials? Wouldn’t the same raw materials have the optical properties? Or are you saying this is a fake and you can just paint any ole thing on there?

Identify the craft to the ground? Optically? I thought it was invisible?



on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:22pm, MarkM wrote:
… witnesses to the Roswell crash material, mention symbols that are clearly visible. Apparently, visibility is important if only just for identification.




Yes and the color was a pinkish purple, not white.



on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:22pm, MarkM wrote:
I concur that ET technology is no doubt far more advanced that these drones we have now. Remember, the craft are based on information back engineered from debris that is over two decades old.



If ET technology is more advanced than the drones… and the drones are captured (or duplicated) ET technology… then I am confused.



on Jul 13th, 2007, 12:22pm, MarkM wrote:
The size of the ego that would need to be behind this where it a hoax, would have to be enormous. An ego that size would also need recognition at some point, otherwise what's the motivation? All of this effort only to remain unappreciated? I don't think so. If a hoax, the object is attention, admiration, and recognition none of which comes from anonymity.



The Lock Ness Monster Hoax of the 1930’s (the model mounded on a “sub” floating in the Lock) fooled a lot of folks for a long time... and it was not until a death bed confession proved it to be what it was. I do not know if we really can guess why someone would do such a thing as this, but there is precedence for it…
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« Reply #1314 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 1:11pm »

bakosawa -

1. No, the materials would be analyzed and recreated based on their properties. No, I don't think this is a fake (I've stated that repeatedly). It is not visible to the human eye. In order to be controlled remotely, it would have to be visible within some part of the light spectrum.

2. OK, it was an actual alien craft (assuming) not reverse engineered. Pink 60 years ago, white today. Different type of craft. Don't see much in that.

3. ET technology is more advanced today. According to what I've read these artifacts are from crashes in the 80's and before. That's a chunk of time. Think about where we were technologically 25 years ago! No PC's, no cell phones, no plasma TVS ....

4. This in no way compares to a Nessie prop. Way too complex. If it's a someone, they're showing off. Sooner or later they'll want their 15 minutes of fame.
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« Reply #1315 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 1:30pm »

on Jul 13th, 2007, 1:05pm, bakosawa wrote:
The Lock Ness Monster Hoax of the 1930’s (the model mounded on a “sub” floating in the Lock) fooled a lot of folks for a long time... and it was not until a death bed confession proved it to be what it was. I do not know if we really can guess why someone would do such a thing as this, but there is precedence for it…

Duke Wetherell apparently concocted the plan as revenge upon the Daily Mail newspaper. In 1933 the Daily Mail had hired Wetherell to find the Loch Ness Monster. Soon after arriving at the lake Wetherell found strange tracks in the soft mud near the water. Plaster casts were taken and sent to the Museum of Natural History. Apparently Wetherell himself had been hoaxed because the Museum announced that the tracks were that of a baby hippo foot, probably part of an umbrella stand. The Mail was angered at Wetherell and Wetherell was embarrassed, hence the, "Surgeons Photo."
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« Reply #1316 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 1:35pm »

MarkM:

I also suspect that the Paddle is programmed to point to magnetic North. The large spikes then act as a secondary Vector Control.....depending on the degree away from North that you desire to travel..If you desire to travel South then the vector control would compensate and nullify the Paddle to the desired degree.

Possibly the small Spikes also control the yaw and pitch.

By decreasing/increasing the power applied to the verticle spikes you can either raise or lower the craft to the desired elevation.

There has to be someway to keep this thing under control for gosh sake. [smiley]

The Drone probably works in a very 'simple' and obvious manner.
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« Reply #1317 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 1:55pm »

How The Drone Works

There has to be a way to control the speed of the craft.

It may have to do with the 'charge' of the torus. The speed may have to do with which SIDE of the torus is more charged. The more charged.....the more speed in that direction..

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« Reply #1318 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 2:03pm »

The more I read about it the more I think that "cloaking" technique is sort of "Do not feed wild life" policy. Or "do not interfere with human race" in this case......

Another question is if it bends light and/or distorts gravity then how would you control it remotely?

As a side note, Bob Lazar said they allegedly used regular radios, walkie-talkie type, to communicate with people inside the operating disc.

Sorry for the off-topic.

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« Reply #1319 on: Jul 13th, 2007, 2:06pm »

Hi MarkM:

Indulge me a little longer...

on Jul 13th, 2007, 1:11pm, MarkM wrote:
bakosawa -

1. No, the materials would be analyzed and recreated based on their properties. No, I don't think this is a fake (I've stated that repeatedly). It is not visible to the human eye. In order to be controlled remotely, it would have to be visible within some part of the light spectrum.


Since we are “slow to the draw” (so to speak)… I think if we are copying it, it would probably look like the original… a gut feel.

If it is visible anywhere in the “light” range of the spectrum… then we will see it. Lasers put out frequencies that are wavelength specific, if they are in the vis-light (about 380 to 740nm maybe a little higher or lower), you will see it. Go UV or IR… then not likely.

on Jul 13th, 2007, 1:11pm, MarkM wrote:
2. OK, it was an actual alien craft (assuming) not reverse engineered. Pink 60 years ago, white today. Different type of craft. Don't see much in that.



You could be right, but how many example of alien technology do we have? Are they falling on us like Christmas presents or are they a one time event. This is an area I truly wrestle with.

on Jul 13th, 2007, 1:11pm, MarkM wrote:
3. ET technology is more advanced today. According to what I've read these artifacts are from crashes in the 80's and before. That's a chunk of time. Think about where we were technologically 25 years ago! No PC's, no cell phones, no plasma TVS ....



This is a bit along the lines of #2… but if I would add… if they (aliens) were to make an advancement in 25 years… would it be as noticeable to us as our advancements? After all, you need to keep this as an “apples to apples” comparison…. Caveman finds nice shaped rock verse Caveman naps arrowhead. That was a huge advancement (back then). Caveman find a modern mechanical watch, caveman finds a modern quartz watch… what is the difference to the caveman? For us, it is hundreds of years of progress and we would proclaim the advancement in accuracy. To the caveman, its just another pretty thing that goes around and around.

on Jul 13th, 2007, 1:11pm, MarkM wrote:
4. This in no way compares to a Nessie prop. Way too complex. If it's a someone, they're showing off. Sooner or later they'll want their 15 minutes of fame.


Well, I was not exactly trying to compare the complexity of the props… but in the 1930’s, that was big stuff and people could not figure it out.

But more importantly… what is the motivation behind it. Why do people do this? It is important, before we throw out the chance it is a Hoax, that we consider the possibility that someone could be hoaxing, especially when there is precedence for a hoax. We can not blindly believe it, just because we want to. Test it, if it has holes in it… let think about, it before we are lead down the same path as they were back in the 1930’s. The hoaxer then did not want instant fame. That maybe true today.
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