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« Reply #315 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 02:20am »

on Jul 6th, 2007, 01:56am, Farmboy wrote:
The deafening silence is back. Feeling in the bones another Isaac item is about to happen. Bet - it will be details about the (1) IT system (Isaac's forte I think), or (2) gravity device assembly, A1-3, or stuff not yet mentioned ...(3) math (field equations), (4) travel mode...faster than light, space warp, interdimensional, ??, or (5) biology ...there are hints in the Isaac material that artificial intelligence might be involved.

To really burn out brain cells, Isaac should send some math equations.


Next to hard ware evidence, Math evidence might be the key to Isaac's credibility. It will be very hard to dream up the math, and pretty easy to tell if they actually worked to an end point or even a mid-solution.
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« Reply #316 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 05:43am »

<this is a direct copy of a message sent to OM - but I'm not proud smiley>

Ya know, I'm a huge skeptic as far as the 'strange' goes. I find no credence in 'clairvoyance', 'numerology', 'chanelling', etc., etc. - but this 'drone' saga has me interested.

I do observe some fundamental inconsistancies, such as the photographs that 'Isaac' has published (they could easily be fake), the non-reappearance of the drone photographers/witnesses, did 'onthefence' reply to Todd Swartz and what did he say?, were any visual recordings made of 'Ted Connors' observing the craft?, the apparent lack of professional investigation and, of course, my natural, human alarm bells telling me "this is ridiculous",

-but there are also several aspects of this case that indicate it's the real deal (the detail of Isaac's diagrams, the recorded statements from 'Shirley' and 'Ted', the email from Jack A. Sahakian and - and this is quite outstanding - the incredible time and effort involved in fabricating a hoax of this proportion - and for what? - and, of course, as you state, "...so much detail into every crevice..."

At this point, I'm almost slipping to the 'right' side of the fence. My 'common sense', however, will keep me firmly astride the fence for a while longer.

I would dearly like to know if any professional investigators are 'on the job', and what their opinions so far are.

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« Reply #317 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 06:24am »

Found this on virtuallystrange.net .... all these things out there that need to be 'confirmed'.......

MUFON Investigation Shows Drone Photos Hoaxed

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2007/jul/m05-001.shtml

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MUFON Investigation Shows Drone Photos Hoaxed
From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22.nul>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:56:18 -0700
Archived: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:40:05 -0400
Subject: MUFON Investigation Shows Drone Photos Hoaxed


I received this on the MUFON LA mailing list and thought
it would be worth posting it here. I have examined the
related CARET docs and have detected some erroneous
statements on antigravity. The whole affair seems
contrived as a hoax, but why?

-Bill Hamilton

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Dear MUFON LA Members and Supporters,

Many of you have expressed your certainty that the alleged drone
photos which appear on C2C and Earthfiles are the real deal. I
decided to log on to MUFON.com, and see what the field
investigator assigned to the case came up with. Incidentally,
the investigator turned out to be the SSD for that district.
Befitting for such a high profile case, don’t you agree? Here
are his comments:



INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007

The object in the attached images within this report first
appeared several weeks earlier on the Coast to Coast web site
page. This new witness report was posted May 12, 2007.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light

I had several trusted friends & experts in CGI (computer
generated Images) examine these images, as well as the earlier
Coast to Coast images. One examiner is Mr. Steve Neil who has
and continues to do computer generated images for the History
channels television program 'UFO Files'. The other effects
person is a Mr. Marc D' Antonio. He owns and operates a business
in Connecticut named FX Models. http://www.fxmodels.com/

Marc is a former MUFON Field investigator, and has taught
Astronomy for a number of years at a local area east coast
college. Both Marc & Steve I would consider well grounded and I
would consider them both 'non-skeptics' related to 'UFO's. They
think UFO's are 'real' and likely 'extraterrestral' in origin.
Marc works with computer generated images every day. Both
experts state all images of this object are clearly fakes. Mr.
D' Antonio is one of my valued expert contacts I network with in
studying UFO photographs. He has volunteered to assist in future
cases.

Marc examined the Coast to Coast images days earlier week (May
10) earlier. I contacted Marc again when this latest witness
report was posted on CMS shortly later (May 12, 2007).

Attached images have been studied by these two friends in the
Special visual computer effects industry. They both
independently state this object is clearly a CG fake.

Marc writes "Those of us in that community can look at and
immediately spot, fakery. I have to say that this one is not
actually even a GOOD fake."

Marc further writes:


Why?

In one of the images, you can see that the faker used, something
called "radiosity" to render the images. The technique allows
for more realistic images and makes things look very good, as if
lit by the sun in this case. Well, in ONE of the radiosity
images supposedly looking up at the 'fake ship' from directly
below it is clear that the faker didn't take care in setting his
settings for the renderer and you can see classic "radiosity
render artifacts" in the dark shadow areas of the CG craft. They
show up as mottling in the shadows instead of smooth
transitions. It is what happens when you want the rendering to
be finished quickly. If radiosity settings were used to make the
image look absolutely real, each image could take tens of hours
to render perhaps.

In another shot where the craft ought to have been some distance
away, it is sharp and clear as if there is suddenly no
atmospheric haze.

Finally, in one image the faker composited the craft to appear
behind tree branches. This is easy to perform. The faker used
something called an Alpha map which affords you JUST this
capability.

Sooner or later, I will bet that a 'video' will emerge, and the
faker is no doubt working on it but doesn't like the results I
guarantee because the radiosity renders take a long time to
render per frame and in motion, he has to get all his Photoshop
type filtering done on the fly within his rendering software and
it isn't as easy.

When I saw this I winced at how obvious the fakery is and how
utterly uneducated the coast to coast people are for falling for it.
The faker, named 'Chad' is a complete and total fabricator."

I have still sent a request to the above witness Email address
wishing a interview, following Mufon investigative proceedures.
I plan to play this interview 'dumb smart' (if it ever occurs
- but hope so) wishing to glean any further information if
possible and post it here. It maybe possible these images
submitted were hoaxed by someone else, rather than by the
witnesses themselves (names stated above).

I suspect the Coast to Coast web site appearance was a trial run
before posting here in the Mufon CMS. The attached images files
from Coast to Coast read in the image file text' the name
'McKinley'. The same witness name above in the witness report.

I seriously doubt the 'Coast to Coast' people may even know
about this authenticity issue.

As of May 16, 2007, I have not recieved any reply from these
witnesses.

Clearly a 'HOAX'. Case completed, but will reopen should I
recieve get a reply from the witness. (hopefully).

Very Respectfully,

Steve Reichmuth
Mufon - Northern California
SSD - Alameda / Contra Costa Co.
May 16, 2007 (20:19 hours)”

As you can see from his comments, Mr. Reichmuth is convinced
that the photos are a HOAX. So don’t get too excited. Know that
there are people out there who get their jollies from spoofing
the unsuspecting and gullible. Hey, don’t feel too bad. If it
makes you feel any better, I thought they looked real too. As
ancient Chinese proverb say; “believe nothing of what you hear,
and only half of what you see”. Or maybe that was Kwai Chang
Caine. No matter.

Steve R. Murillo

State Section Director
MUFON L.A.

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I don't know if this is old news, or what... but I don't think I've seen it posted here yet, soooooo, for what it's worth....there it is

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« Reply #318 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 06:36am »

well, as i've said before, i'm not a professional, but the Chad photos are really giving a bad taste to the matter, certainly the worst of all the images.

and, as chad's drone has the "language" fonts from the Isaac report, it would mean the whole deal was bogus.

i'm now like 98% that this is a well planned hoax - better than the alien autopsy?

still can't forget the artifacts from the report, those are beautiful sad
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« Reply #319 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 06:56am »

I'm still on the opinion of thinking that these are the real deal till I see/hear more supporting evidence then "joe bloggs expert claims these are clearly (to make everyone else feel stupid) a fake" comments.

If the creator of this 3d render comes to the fore-front and says sucked in - well I'll accept that, but till then... rolleyes
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« Reply #320 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 07:30am »

on Jul 6th, 2007, 06:24am, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
Here is background on Bill Hamilton:

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/billham.html

And from Mufon LA website:
MUFON-LA
P.O. Box 94
El Segundo, CA 90245-0094
Hotline: 818-483-0864
Section Director: Stephen Murillo
contact@mufonla.com

So they appear to be the real deal.
The Northern California MUFON website does not list Steven Reichmuth as an investigator, but here is what I found on him – he appears to be the section director in Alameda Co (San Francisco area):


This is depressing, if true.
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« Reply #321 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 07:39am »

"INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007"

I wonder what he thinks NOW.
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« Reply #322 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 07:48am »


The current topic regarding UFOs that is in the mainstream media

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287643,00.html


To the UFO community this is preaching to the choir and probably not very interesting because it is not new and exciting, but merely confirms what we have suspected all along.

To those outside the UFO community it may be more significant and for this reason we may want to focus on this news item. By that I mean write in to the mainstream media, watch any videos, push it to the forefront as much as possible while it is a mainstream news item.

It almost seems as if the chad/Isaac episode was purposely timed as a diversion knowing full well that the UFO community hungry for something new would divert its attention from the Haut deathbed revelation.

Stephen Bassett was on Fox talking about this suggesting that all political candidates address this issue and this is exactly what is needed. If political candidates did address this it would at least elevate the issue one notch into the realm of public credibility.
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« Reply #323 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 07:52am »

Wreckage said

"INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007"

I wonder what he thinks NOW


That last post of his was on June 26th - I haven't found anything since then.
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« Reply #324 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 08:00am »

June 26 was also the date Linda Howe came out with the Isaac story.

I'd like to know what Steve Reichmuth thinks about that part of the story...
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« Reply #325 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 08:03am »

I think most of us have known the Haut affidavit was coming for a while - and most of us read it days ago - but thank-you for bringing it to the attention of others.

The hard-core skeptics will say that it is the near-death meanderings of an old man who has changed his 'story' many times. For others it will be the "I told you so!" UFO story of the decade.

Either way, there is no aspect of this field that will attain credibility until absolutely credible 'evidence' is displayed on a stupid 'propaganda cube' (TV) for the masses to masticate on.

Let's hope that occurs soonish... smiley


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« Reply #326 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 08:10am »

on Jul 6th, 2007, 07:30am, Student wrote:
Four authoritative experts in Mufon and in the Hollywood special effects industry adamantly agree they are fakes.


Actually, there were only two that I know of and that was based on a cgi affect that has not really been approached on Chad's drone until then.

If there are two more, then they are two that were maybe convinced by the other two but as far as results from evidence, there has been none.

There's more here but I do not want to bring in the words from a particular person within the UFO community who commented on this yesterday with me by email. That would be for him to say.

End result was, the jealousy thing again. Men in this biz have a nut for LMH. You beat them at their own game and they'll drag you down. This we're seeing unfortunately from three completely different areas in the UFO community. It's jealousy plain and simple and a lack of evidence on their part outside of "words" alone.

Consequently, I dismissed the MUFON statement completely.
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« Reply #327 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 08:30am »

"End result was, the jealousy thing again. Men in this biz have a nut for LMH. You beat them at their own game and they'll drag you down. This we're seeing unfortunately from three completely different areas in the UFO community. It's jealousy plain and simple and a lack of evidence on their part outside of "words" alone.

Consequently, I dismissed the MUFON statement completely."

..and rightly so, I would think (as of when that statement was released).

It's human nature to want more and more information - and it's also human nature to want to be the first to release that information. If there's one thing I have observed in this field, it's an almost fanatical willingness to be the first to jump on the current bandwagon so as not to appear left behind with almost no regard for 'evidence'.

What should be the goal of serious investigators, is to systematically analyse the available evidence, and then release only substantiatable information. .. and I'm sure there are those who do that - it's just incredibly difficult for the 'general public' (myself) to discern the wheat from the chaff.

Hey.. just like it happens with governments and corporate bosses. .. smiley

I see what you're saying re. LMH, though. It's tough on her, but it's also tough to regain lost credibility - and let's face it, she has made some 'blues' in her time. I will say though, that she certainly puts in a great deal of effort with 'Earthfiles'. I'm not quite her age, and my enthusiasm for anything is definitely on the wane... smiley
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« Reply #328 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 08:32am »

Did anyone catch Jesse Marcel, Jr. on Fox News this morning? He was plugging his new book, The Roswell Legacy. Between foxnews.com UFO-related updates and broadcasts on live television (Buzz Aldrin with Neil Cavuto, Jesse Marcel, etc.), things have really been picking up. But then again it's the 60th anniversary of Roswell, so I suppose these things are expected...

Despite the past few pages concerning discredited imagery and hoax-mongering, I still have hope that we'll learn more, but I have a strong feeling we won't be hearing from "Isaac" anymore.
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« Reply #329 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 08:49am »

on Jul 6th, 2007, 02:20am, Farmboy wrote:
Next to hard ware evidence, Math evidence might be the key to Isaac's credibility. It will be very hard to dream up the math, and pretty easy to tell if they actually worked to an end point or even a mid-solution.


Farmboy.... did you see our requests (from Mark and me) to look at the "math" geometry, algebra and computer programming WORDS that I got in that vision the other night (supposedly from alien contact?) lol I know that sounds weird... but this might be the "Math evidence key to Isaac's credibility"

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183141379
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