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« Reply #510 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 11:37pm »

on Jul 5th, 2007, 7:35pm, MarkM wrote:
OK, going on record, here's what I think - think, can't prove - based on everything that my drone saturated brain has processed over this past week:

1. This is not a hoax. While not every drone image may be legit, all it takes is one. I'm a pretty good judge of people and (IMHO) Shirley, at least, is not lying. Based on numerous witness accounts, this saga did not begin with the Chad photo. "Isaac's" material is consistent with several factors, not the least of which is the (IMHO) fact that we did indeed recover debris from the Roswell wreckage in 1947. Over 600 people, military and civilian - many on their deathbeds - have nothing to gain by lying. The government did something with that wreckage. That something was to spend decades trying to figure it out.

2. "Isaac" and the attorney, Todd Schwartz are related (father, son, uncle, whatever). Mr. Schwartz appears to have a stable career with a reputable law firm. He does not deny knowledge of "Isaac" and CARET (provided his email response is legit). There is no reason to think that Attorney Schwartz is looking to trade in his license to practice law for one to practice Tom Foolery. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.

3. There is some test going on. Either the beginnings of actual disclosure or a preliminary trial balloon. Whether the initial drone sightings were the result of an equipment malfunction or an intentional "unveiling", the leaks continue because it's being allowed.

4. There is a decision being made - even as we type - about the direction that this will take in the days ahead. For several reasons, political, social, and otherwise, this may be the opportune time to orchestrate a revelation of this magnitude.

Without further information, beyond this point is a blur. I hope that we'll be able to write the next several threads based on information, not on hunches and speculation. If "he" is reading, I hope that "Isaac" will see that we've come about as far as we can with what we have. If he is truly sincere in what he set out to accomplish, he'll put in another appearance soon. My prediction is within a week.


I agree with Mark M: the strange craft affair is not a hoax. However, my psychologist's intuition signals "Beware of Isaac!" Something is fishy here, and it's difficult to pinpoint. It seems to me that there is an overarching contradiction or inconsistency regarding his act of revelation. First, he pumps us with his technical training and professional background to establish his credibility, then he proceeds to offer very little of substance with regard to what he claims to know. His micro-exposition of the "language" reveals nothing I can grasp: what the hell is a holographic computing material substrate? How do the symbols "program" it? He gives no clue. Throw us a friggin' bone here, Isaac! Until he gives me much more to work with- what amounts to a coherent rational explanation based on principles of earthly unknown physics- I think he is conning us. Yet, there are those amazing diagrams exhibiting the "language, and, my god, it strikes me plausible that they are what he claims they are. Nevertheless, my gut feeling is that neither he nor any other human being understands the technology of which they are a key component. And don't get me started on an anti-gravity device! As of today, earthly physicists don't have a clue how one would work- they don't even know what gravity is in the ultimate space-time-energy-matter scheme of things! All I get from Isaac amounts to a few enticing table scraps of science fiction. So, he must serve me a generous portion of quasi-plausible scientific meat (most likely with robust flavor and complex texture of a fundamental revision and expansion of quantum theory, particle physics, and the geometry of the universe) if I am to believe his story. And if he does, he will move our science at least centuries ahead. Jumping now to what I hope is a logical conclusion here, permit me to assert that the strange craft is alien-designed, alien-assembled, and alien-controlled; and is not a human-alien hybrid as Isaac implies.
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« Reply #511 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 11:49pm »

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:37pm, figneutron wrote:
I agree with Mark M: the strange craft affair is not a hoax. However, my psychologist's intuition signals "Beware of Isaac!" Something is fishy here, and it's difficult to pinpoint. It seems to me that there is an overarching contradiction or inconsistency regarding his act of revelation. First, he pumps us with his technical training and professional background to establish his credibility, then he proceeds to offer very little of substance with regard to what he claims to know. ...... not a human-alien hybrid as Isaac implies.


Figneutron,
Agree with you that Isaac comes across "coy" to say the least - lots of big implications but not much to work with.

Have to disagree with you re the technology Isaac describes. I have previously posted my finding these descriptions, eg holographic memory involving "billions" of memory space positions generating by implication enumerous permutations of meaning, to be very plausible in terms of current evolving earth material physics.

Adding in my opinion to Isaac's plausibility is his wording - for a 1986 non-tech, or even tekky, he describes operation of the "holographic matrix storage system" pretty much the way i would expect for a world yet to hear about quantum computing.

But i hope Isaac's next offering is NOT a continuation of teasing snips and quick looks followed by utter silence.

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« Reply #512 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 12:03am »

on Jul 6th, 2007, 09:48am, RoH wrote:
Who made Isaac's diagrams?
(who had the technology?)

Isaac wrote:
So, in 1984, the CARET program was created with the aim of harnessing the abilities of private industry in silicon valley and applying it to the ongoing task of understanding extra-terrestrial technology.

One of the best examples of the power of the tech sector was Xerox PARC, a research center in Palo Alto, CA. XPARC was responsible for some of the major milestones in the history of computing. While I never had the privilege of working there myself I did know many of the people who did and I can say that they were among the brightest engineers I ever knew.

XPARC served as one of the models for the CARET program’s first incarnation, a facility called the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory (PACL, lovingly pronounced “packle” during my time there). This was where I worked, along with numerous other civilians, under the auspices of military brass who were eager to find out how the tech sector made so much progress so quickly. My time at the DoD was a major factor behind why I was chosen, and in fact about 30+ others who were hired around the same time had also been at the Department about as long, but this was not the case for everyone. A couple of my co-workers were plucked right from places like IBM and, at least two of them came from XPARC itself. My DoD experience did make me more eligable for positions of management, however, which is how I have so much of this material in my possession to begin with.


I Suspect:
Xerox PARC (XPARC)
(PARC is a wholly owned subsidiary of Xerox Corporation.)



I had pointed out in the earlier thread that AutoCad version 1.0 was released in 1982, and even version 2 was capable of producing these diagrams.

IMHO the page layout was likely done using the TeX or LaTeX Academic typesetting programs, available before 1980.

Googling for these as 'autocad history' and 'LaTeX history' gives plenty of info, and even a few video.
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« Reply #513 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 12:27am »

would very much like to hear more details from Isaac on:
1 metallurgy of A2, A3 - alloy composition, X-ray crystallography, heat capacity, chemical sensitivities. Vapor analysis, melt temp if any. Opacity to EM when at rest, and in flight. Homogeneous A1, A2 composition on radial gradient? Or multi-phase gradient? Conductivity mechanism/mode. Tensile - isotropic, anisotropic. Permutivity.

2 ET's waste handling system, and if ET has waste products? Food/entity energy source/finite (short) planned life time.

3 Transit time to reach earth - instantaneous, or in stages (eg need to slow down, exit warp, near solar system)

4 Are ET passengers the primary living species from their system, or synthesized avatars (bio-bot AI entities), or mixed group).

5 Drive/propulsion energy source.

6 is superconductivity employed anywhere in the craft; without cooling?

7 Communication system (earth to home, interior). Exterior sensory system.

8 A supporting interior atmosphere? If so, what gases?

other questions by forum crew:.....

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« Reply #514 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 12:39am »

on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:27am, Farmboy wrote:
would very much like to hear more details from Isaac on:



Farmboy, they have set up a separate thread to ask Isaac some questions in.... (I hope you can cut and paste and move your post over there) I thought it would be great if we could come up with some intelligent questions to ask him if he could possibly answer us... they ran with the idea and set up the separate link, which is great!
Now, we just need Isaac to come answer questions... maybe he is busy, or on vacation -- I don't know hiking in the mountains somewhere or something lol
Here is the Questions for Isaac link:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1183698983
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« Reply #515 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 01:12am »

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:49pm, Farmboy wrote:
Figneutron,
Agree with you that Isaac comes across "coy" to say the least - lots of big implications but not much to work with.

Have to disagree with you re the technology Isaac describes. I have previously posted my finding these descriptions, eg holographic memory involving "billions" of memory space positions generating by implication enumerous permutations of meaning, to be very plausible in terms of current evolving earth material physics.

Adding in my opinion to Isaac's plausibility is his wording - for a 1986 non-tech, or even tekky, he describes operation of the "holographic matrix storage system" pretty much the way i would expect for a world yet to hear about quantum computing.

But i hope Isaac's next offering is NOT a continuation of teasing snips and quick looks followed by utter silence.



I am going to stand by my suggestion that the technology of the strange craft is based on science far advanced of that of humanity and so is as yet not understood by earthlings. Mention of holographic memory devices and quantum computing moves me not.
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« Reply #516 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 02:12am »

Figneutron:

Your comments are completely incoherent. You're all over the map. You believe it and you don't. You just can't make up your mind.

And I had no idea you are an expert on what scientists know about how such a craft would work. Where did you get your information on that one?

I get the feeling that this topic may be a bit too much for you .

Calm down, have a cookie, think it over and come back with a new post that we can understand.
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« Reply #517 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 02:18am »

Nightline TV program on UFOs last night.

Mr. Schermer, the skeptic, happens to live near me and when he is featured it's guaranteed that the producer of the program is certified brain dead.

I give it a generous...........F+
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« Reply #518 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 02:22am »

on Jul 6th, 2007, 11:37pm, figneutron wrote:
I agree with Mark M: the strange craft affair is not a hoax. However, my psychologist's intuition signals "Beware of Isaac!" Something is fishy here, and it's difficult to pinpoint. It seems to me that there is an overarching contradiction or inconsistency regarding his act of revelation. First, he pumps us with his technical training and professional background to establish his credibility, then he proceeds to offer very little of substance with regard to what he claims to know. His micro-exposition of the "language" reveals nothing I can grasp: what the hell is a holographic computing material substrate? How do the symbols "program" it? He gives no clue. Throw us a friggin' bone here, Isaac! Until he gives me much more to work with- what amounts to a coherent rational explanation based on principles of earthly unknown physics- I think he is conning us. Yet, there are those amazing diagrams exhibiting the "language, and, my god, it strikes me plausible that they are what he claims they are. Nevertheless, my gut feeling is that neither he nor any other human being understands the technology of which they are a key component. And don't get me started on an anti-gravity device! As of today, earthly physicists don't have a clue how one would work- they don't even know what gravity is in the ultimate space-time-energy-matter scheme of things! All I get from Isaac amounts to a few enticing table scraps of science fiction. So, he must serve me a generous portion of quasi-plausible scientific meat (most likely with robust flavor and complex texture of a fundamental revision and expansion of quantum theory, particle physics, and the geometry of the universe) if I am to believe his story. And if he does, he will move our science at least centuries ahead. Jumping now to what I hope is a logical conclusion here, permit me to assert that the strange craft is alien-designed, alien-assembled, and alien-controlled; and is not a human-alien hybrid as Isaac implies.


Hey Figneutron,

BTW, cool name. Definately creative. I like how you end with the logical conclusion and you seem to almost put it all together but Isaac never implied human-alien hybrid anything. He did admit that he was not sure of the current state of the art but I think you may have filled in the blanks.

But why the suspicious trip? Beware of Isaac? Well I guess there had to be a sinister plot in there somewhere.

Edit to add:
Isaac is doing exactly what he said he'd do. He put some info out as a test to see how it goes. If it works out he'll likely release more. Why can't everybody accept that?
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« Reply #519 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 02:34am »

on Jul 7th, 2007, 12:27am, Farmboy wrote:
would very much like to hear more details from Isaac on:

2 ET's waste handling system, and if ET has waste products? Food/entity energy source/finite (short) planned life time.


ET waste handling system? In layman's terms that would mean what kind of toilet do they use. grin
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on Jul 7th, 2007, 02:34am, Latitude wrote:
ET waste handling system? In layman's terms that would mean what kind of toilet do they use. grin


If they don't make any waste then that would be proof of a highly advanced race and society.

It would mean as a race they had no A__holes.
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on Jul 7th, 2007, 05:14am, WatchingWaiting wrote:
If they don't make any waste then that would be proof of a highly advanced race and society.

It would mean as a race they had no A__holes.

That's more than can be said of the human race, most of ours are politicians though. grin
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« Reply #522 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 06:48am »

as much as I really really want this to be real - the bloody frenchies look like they may have cracked the code...

http://ovnis-usa.com/
guys, let me know your thoughts
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on Jul 7th, 2007, 06:48am, Scorpion wrote:
as much as I really really want this to be real - the bloody frenchies look like they may have cracked the code...

http://ovnis-usa.com/
guys, let me know your thoughts

Could you elaborate please, I’ve just read that entire thread an hour or so ago (again) and I seen no such statement.
In fact I’ve been under the impression that the “frenchies” website is a summary of recent forum posts, mainly OMF & UFOcasebook.
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« Reply #524 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 07:24am »

well that's why i asked for everyones opinion, one that didn't sit right with me was where they showed in the photo of the anti-grav device, the symbols are symetrically mirrored, if the same symbol was to be in place on another part of something, i doubt it should be written/scribed in reverse/mirror - however no-one is an expert on the 'code' so this very well may be correct operation to enable the device, it just seems odd (plus my own opinion i haven't seen anywhere else is the photo artifacts on all photos, ie; the scratches or hair on the scan etc, look stuck on - I am no photoshop expert, however I am a hobbiest and I would imagine that when the original JPG was saved from a scan, the JPG artifacts would have been effected differently if it was on the source image/photo)

with that said - flame me all you guys need, but I'm still on the believe side!
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