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« Reply #705 on: Jul 8th, 2007, 10:20pm »

on Jul 8th, 2007, 09:40am, urantia606 wrote:
The film was examined by Kodak, and a person of considerable standing in the photo industry (Bob Shell) has put his prestige on the line by authenticating this footage. The Time Magazine and Skeptical Inquirer hit pieces were all generated by the TDC miscalculations. This footage could only have been shot in 1947 or 48. All the experts lambasting Santilli based their doubts on modern
FX techniques. They all had their individual slants, but no one volunteered to duplicate this effect.


http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=848


Actually, that's only partially true as I recall re: the authenticity.

Kodak did say that the (i believe it was 3 frames given to them) were from 1927, 1947, or 1967, but they could not authenticate Santilli's film, as the frames they were supplied with were leader. This is the first few feet of the film that's blank and used to thread a projector. They asked Santilli later for pieces of the film WITH the footage on it, to authenticate, and never heard back from Santilli. The frames authenticated as being from that time period by Kodak, could have been from any one of a number of reels that was still in existance, and there was no way to prove that they were from the film in question. They also could not prove that the film was processed/developed in 1947/1948 as well.
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« Reply #706 on: Jul 8th, 2007, 10:35pm »

on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:02pm, AgentM wrote:
When you think about it, how we may have come to aquire these artifacts and any related technology may not have been intentional. But, we in our infant understanding of this may still not be of much concern to ET.

So..even when we reach full disclosure it may only impact us in a philosophical nature as ET may remain elusive as ever.

I suppose it depends on how far they really are ahead of us as to whether they will interact in Earths societies.


good point. So, they might just continue stealing from our planet its energy and resources (or whatever they are doing here) and keep as invisible as possible.

Only thing is, with disclosure, you know someone is going to find out how to view them (well gov. probably already does)
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« Reply #707 on: Jul 8th, 2007, 10:51pm »

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I am not going to debate with you the authenticity of the alien autopsy film. I have tons of information that proves it is 100% authentic. I saw ALL of the film in a private showing in 1995, including some that has never been seen in public.

Why so many people have tried to discredit this film is beyond me

The camera that was used was a B-H Filmo 70 that was very common in military circles from WWII. It has three lenses that have to rotate for focus. That is why the film appears to be 'out of focus' in several shots. And remember this was what the cameraman thought was the least of quality of the cans of film he shot on location. His best reels he sent on to Washington.

Here is more testimony from Bob Shell:

SHELL: They would have to match the type of film base material, as well. After the '50s, Kodak used triacetate, basically the same stuff they use today. But in 1947 they were using an earlier form of acetate called acetatepropionate. This decomposes with age. It shrinks in physical dimensions, and after it's aged for a while it has a very characteristic, acidic odor. Based on the odor and the shrinkage characteristics, we've said that this film is the older form of acetate. Therefore it would be 1947 film.
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« Reply #708 on: Jul 8th, 2007, 11:01pm »

on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:51pm, urantia606 wrote:
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I am not going to debate with you the authenticity of the alien autopsy film. I have tons of information that proves it is 100% authentic.


If I had 100% proof, I'd be putting it out there for everyone to see. This is why there is so much debate, on both sides..... people say they have 'evidence' but never come forward with it.

That's not to say that I don't believe there are a lot of weird unexplained things out there, of an unknown origin, I've seen a great number of things in over 25 years of my own investigations.... but for pete's sake.... if someone has the proof of something, disclose it. There are ways to do so without facing what is so often the fear of being 'taken by the government, thrown in a room, and having them throw away the ROOM'
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« Reply #709 on: Jul 8th, 2007, 11:14pm »

on Jul 8th, 2007, 10:51pm, urantia606 wrote:
CentralScrutinizer:

I am not going to debate with you the authenticity of the alien autopsy film. I have tons of information that proves it is 100% authentic. I saw ALL of the film in a private showing in 1995, including some that has never been seen in public.

Why so many people have tried to discredit this film is beyond me


Didnt Ray Santilli come forward and admit it was all an elaborate hoax, in fact, probably the biggest UFO/EBE hoax of all time? He even made a movie about it...
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« Reply #710 on: Jul 8th, 2007, 11:23pm »

on Jul 8th, 2007, 11:14pm, Cybereality wrote:
Didnt Ray Santilli come forward and admit it was all an elaborate hoax, in fact, probably the biggest UFO/EBE hoax of all time? He even made a movie about it...


As the story goes, I think...... Santilli admitted later that 95% of the film that he purchased had oxidized, so based on the 5% that remained (which to date, to my knowledge, no one else has ever seen), they supposedly 'reconstructed' the autopsy... not that any of it matters, those who believe that Santilli delivered the "smoking gun" will just say that he was pressured or paid off by the government to make the admission, etc.

I'm sure there's probably a whole lot more to it than that, but from my own limited memory, that's it in a nutshell.
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« Reply #711 on: Jul 8th, 2007, 11:34pm »

He did supposedly release what he had left of the original, it was in the movie, and you can see it here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhVTrfnQhcI
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« Reply #712 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 12:01am »

Hey Central....

LOL that was great! "...and throw the room away."... can I use that ? That's a new one on me. All in good spirit.

Anyway here is more of Bob Shell's comments. All of the infomration that supports the Autopsy film is on the Internet. Of course you have to weed through a ton of disinformation to get to it but it's all there.

Also, every single piece of equipment in the room has been proven to be available in 1947. Even the clock on the wall and the phone. The metal knives and the Bunsen burner on the table....all very 1947 stuff. Not a single item in the room is out of the time frame.

SHELL: The cameraman says that the two surgeons in the room are a Dr. Detlev Bronk and a Dr. Williams. Forensic pathologists who have watched the film have said that it looks to them like the man doing the work is not a pathologist, but a surgeon, based on the way he cuts and the way he holds the instruments and the way he manipulates. Apparently there's a difference in the way surgeons and pathologists handle their implements. Which supports the cameraman's claim that he was a surgeon. We do know that Dr. Detlev Bronk was a real person. At the time of the autopsy, he was chief of Air Medicine, the United States Army Air Force. Which would mean he would have been called in at any unusual air crash or event like that. From 1952 onwards, he was president of the Rockefeller Institute of Medicine, and they have his personal papers. When I went to the Rockefeller Institute several weeks ago to inquire about this, they said they had all of Dr. Bronk's personal papers, including his personal diaries, his date books, his correspondence, etc. When I said that I wanted to see this material for 1947, I was told that all of Dr. Bronk's personal diaries are missing and unaccounted for.
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« Reply #713 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 12:12am »

This email explains, maybe, Todd Schwartz involvment in the Isaac affair.

Hello Chris-

Thank you for your kind invitation to the skype-caste.. I apologize for not making it but I am on a rare vacation with my family and?I was frantically packing our family rig trying to get out of Seattle and back to Oregon in time for a birthday party at time of the broadcasts.

I hope the skype-cast went well. I will be looking forward to reading about it.

With some limitations due to my ?all in one? mobile phone, I have been attempting to keep up with the forums at OpenMindsForum.com. I have been blown away by the interest in the isaaccaret.com registration.

Let me clear a few things up: 1. I am not Isaac; 2. I am not affiliated legally or otherwise with Isaac (if he had retained me I?d be fired by now for not registering the domains privately); 3. I am not affiliated with CARET; 4. I intentionally registered isaaccarret.com publicly because I had hoped for some feedback on what the best use of it would be?when my Law Firm started getting calls I made the sites private) and finally, 5. I am hoping to use the opportunity I have (if any) as the owner of isaaccaret.com to assist groups (such as yours, Whitley?s and LMH?s) to the spread this news into the major media. Yes, I would like a ?cut of the pie? for my efforts. So ultimately, you readers may consider me a cyber-squatter or opportunist. But I would suggest I have more than just making money in mind. I would like to give back to those on the frontline of this effort. I would like to think of my self in the Pantagonia class of capitalist/opportunists.

Professionally, I am and attorney practicing as described in on my website. I would, and my clients would probably, prefer I keep my personal interests separate from my professional pursuits. This I intend to do as much as possible. However, I am in no way am ashamed of my interests and would suggest there is more proof behind many of my beliefs than some more accepted ?truths? in our society. If you will excuse the immodesty, it is this drive for the truth that makes me a good attorney.

Regarding all the discussion of my timing the registration: I truly was one of the hundreds (thousands?) waiting on faithful day when LMH?s Earth Files site to posted her update on the alien drones story. I must have been lucky enough to be one of the first to click on it. When I read Isaacs statements and examined the photos I truly felt this could be some thing huge on the scale of Roswell (assuming it?s not already related to Roswell artifacts.). I was surprised Isaac was using a subdomain and took the ?opportunity? to register the true isaaccaret.com website as a potential investment in moving this story forward.

I will respond with more specific ideas on how to best use the site following our responses. You are welcome to post the above to your members.

Todd E. Schwartz

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« Reply #714 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 12:24am »

which came first... the chicken or the egg.. Didn't the godaddy site get registered long before the Isaac story came out??
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« Reply #715 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 12:45am »

Castles: I do not know the timeline of these websites. Maybe someone can post it.

I still think that Mr. Schwartz' email to the radio show is not really all that clear.

I still don't buy his story that he wants feedback on how to use the website 'he' registered.

His reasoning doesn't add up. Something doesn't smell right.

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« Reply #716 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 12:49am »

Well, Schwartz is only a cyber squatter tongue.

Bummer. Definately not what I expected. This story is full of surprises. I guess I should stop trying to guess it and just see what happens.
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« Reply #717 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 01:00am »

Beware the flying sperm!

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« Reply #718 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 01:52am »

on Jul 9th, 2007, 12:01am, urantia606 wrote:
Hey Central....

LOL that was great! "...and throw the room away."... can I use that ? That's a new one on me. All in good spirit.


haha, no I don't mind... I originally heard it in the movie "The Manhattan Project"......

also, please don't take what I'm saying as an attack on those previous posts, I just feel it's important to put out both sides of a story when they do exist, even if it is 'old news'. smiley
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« Reply #719 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 03:51am »

on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:40pm, Easternbluestar wrote:
Mark,
Why the sudden cry of "Save the Planet", why now? Why not a few years ago? Why with such urgency is this being aired in the media now?
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It's a sudden cry in the US. In Europe and particularly in France, warming was first talked about in the media maybe ten years ago (if not before). French people are very concerned about warming (even if they don't do much to prevent it...). Actually, it's the first concern for the French, before terrorism (so many things kill much more: heart attacks, driving, kitchens...)
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