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« Reply #930 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 7:32pm »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 6:55pm, StayFocused wrote:
Well I think we got to the bottom of the Todd E Schwartz issue. Thanks for being so forthcoming Mr Schwartz. If only the witnesses were the same instead of only using LMH as their mouth piece.

So let's say Isaac is real. He decides to blow the roof off the UFO coverup and says he's sitting on a stockpile of revealing ufo documentation. Why does he only release a handful of pages? Wouldn't he be much safer to have just let it all out into the public domain? To release say 100 pages of high quality and consistent documentation would be far more convincing.

Seems like a half-assed effort for supposedly exposing the truth about extra-terrestrial life. Maybe I'm just too skeptical eh?


I'll bet half of what Isaac has will never be on the internet. I hope not any way. Why, you ask? There is probably some things in those reports that enemy nations or potential enemy nations should not be seeing. Isaac may be a whistle blower but he's no traitor.

But as for as the initial release goes, he said it was a test to see what would happen. You don't throw everthing out in a test. If he was to be brought up on charges, he likely would want lesser charges, right?
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« Reply #931 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 7:51pm »

Isaac will never be brought up on any charges. Why?

In a court of law there has to be evidence brought in to back up the charges. And there would have to be evidence as to where Isaac got his material, when and how he got it.

They would also have to have his co-workers testimony as to the authenticity of the material.

That'll never happen.....ever.

I firmly believe that the PTB are riding this one out.

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« Reply #932 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 7:54pm »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 7:06pm, VonStern wrote:
Saladfingers has been at it again grin

http://www.ufofu.org/blog/

(Scroll down)

Von Stern


Interesting video right at the very bottom. I think hoaxing should be made a criminal offence. We need a hoax busting team to travel the world and break the fingers of all the would be/are hoaxers. Dibs on the middle finger.
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« Reply #933 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 8:17pm »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 6:39pm, urantia606 wrote:
ATO:


LOL.....didn't you know this whole thing is just a big contest between the various Forums.

All Didier does is pick the hottest report and post them on his site: Ovnis.

There's a prize at the end......


Kewlness, what do we win? grin

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« Reply #934 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 8:23pm »

ATO:

The prize is........

LOL LOL.....the winner gets a free lifetime subscription to Skeptical Inquirer Magazine

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« Reply #935 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 9:21pm »

I've been reading and reading but I'm confused. Can somebody bring me up to date. laugh
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #936 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 9:22pm »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 4:24pm, Farmboy wrote:
Just now browsing and ran across this May 31, 2007, youtube vid from Vancouver, the point being over the last several months (even before the CHad sighting) i've seen a bunch of videos showing Chad-like craft videod from a distance, and higher than the Chad foto. The videos are from several countries - south america, mexico, europe. I did not think to save the web addresses. The chunky bodies, kind of skittering movement...but without the long arm.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6991034265864387972


Nice catch... the size is about right. But if they are being seen everywhere... how are they invisible?
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« Reply #937 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 9:48pm »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 9:21pm, Andyp wrote:
I've been reading and reading but I'm confused. Can somebody bring me up to date. laugh



LOL NO! It's too much! I can't take it anymore. Just kidding Andy. Nobody can answer you properly.

Update, what, when, which, - which which. There's too much. It's just a lot of reading is all. Maybe someday if I get totally bored out of my mind, I'll summarize every subject that was brought up and it's end result. grin

So, who knows which day of the week 'someday' lands on? ROFL.
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« Reply #938 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 10:02pm »

This post is for anyone just coming onto this thread who hasn't yet poured through the mountain of research that's been done by all of the great folks here. There are two things that have worked to convince me that this is legit. And they aren't what you might think:

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1.) Of all of the photographic evidence, this impresses me the most. There would be so many steps involved in getting the "look" of this just right, it's overwhelming to imagine the time that would be involved to fake it. It looks exactly like what its reported to be - a black and white photocopy of an actual photograph. The DPI is consistent with an older copier scanner (it looks like a newspaper photo because the scanner wasn't sophisticated enough, not enough DPI to break down and "reassemble" the image data).

A. We can clearly see one of the symbols in the "language" on the re- engineered craft and in the linguistics primer (remember the timing here when looking at the first drone pictures).

B. There's damage to the smaller piece - I know some have argued against that - but look at the broken "teeth", and that split is too ragged to be a clean cut. This is the original wreckage, as we know, so that fits. Wreckage implies that it's broken.

C. Whatever this is under the artifact makes me question that this is as large as we originally thought. It really looks like something - a magazine or a newspaper - is used to prop it up. Knowing this will go along way in determining the crafts size.

I've worked with Photoshop for many years, not in same extremely intricate way that our CGI pros have, but enough to feel confident that this is a real photocopy of a real photograph of real stuff on a real concrete floor. If you accept that - then this would represent the very first public image of these artifacts. Again, assuming that this is genuine and knowing when it was published on the Isaac website, how could the first drone photos be fakes, there was nothing to reference and the parts match. The only drone photo that I still remain a bit skeptical of is the "menacing" Big Basin one. This came out later, after there would have been a real prototype to model a fake from (and I'm not saying that it is, only that it's so inconsistent with the others that it could be).

2.) Shirley. Plain and simple. Listen to that interview. Pay attention to her breathing and her speech pattern (also, she isn't led by LMH's questions on the symbols or the sound). Everything she says makes perfect sense including why she didn't report it before. She sounds exactly like anyone would who was telling the truth.

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html

I know that these are only two "exhibits" in hundreds that are flying around now (no pun intended). But they're terribly compelling.
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« Reply #939 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 10:15pm »

on Jul 8th, 2007, 9:08pm, urantia606 wrote:
Sunday Jul 8 , 07....7 PM West Coast USA

I just heard that Linda Howe will be providing Ty's 12 photos in high resolution as soon as possible. It appears that she and her assistant are running a bit behind in their respective obligations.

Hopefully Linda will post them on her website.

Also, that Isaac is still in contact with C2C. There is more but I cannot confirm it right now.

Urantia


Uhm I think now would be a good time to get new things to take a look... like the Ty's hi-res photos
without new info to brainstorm is hard to get any steps further, sad like was said, sometimes we start to walk in circles here
I'm new in the thread but I've read both drone topics , I hope that non-veterans can post here in this topic heheeh and just for info, I'm from Brazil, ready to give another perspective to the subject grin

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« Reply #940 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 10:33pm »

It seems to me looking at the pictures, that the Big Basin drone is WAY larger than the Rajman drone. It looks like the Rajman drone is about 20 feet long, but Big Basin drone looks more like about 40 - 50 feet.


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Look at the PACL picture of the parts on the floor. If part number 15 is what we compared to a piece on the inner circle of the Rajman drone, then it is quite possible that the drone on the floor is more like the Big Basin drone.
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Don't know if that had been discussed before. this drone on the floor in the warehouse is MUCH bigger than Rajman drone -- unless those pieces are to multiple wrecked drones. the #15 picture fits on the Rajman drone's largest circle, yet it is a small piece compared to the largest circle there on the floor. the largest circle on the floor looks like that front ring on the Big Basin photos. that drone must be huge then.

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I believe the pieces on the floor are to a drone like Big Basin, but it is not all of the pieces (the big middle apparatus is not pictured). I don't see where piece #15 fits on that drone at all. So, I think the wreckage is from two different drones.

and, the tire track looking things, could be either from a large truck, or from something as small as a fork lift. either way, it looks like the large circle is at least (what maybe 15 feet across.)
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« Reply #941 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 10:58pm »


2.) Shirley. Plain and simple. Listen to that interview. Pay attention to her breathing and her speech pattern (also, she isn't led by LMH's questions on the symbols or the sound). Everything she says makes perfect sense including why she didn't report it before. She sounds exactly like anyone would who was telling the truth.

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html

I am in TOTAL agreement. For those of you who have not listened to the Shirley interview, you truly owe it to yourselves to give it a close listen. If she is lying, I am Napolean in a cocktail dress!
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« Reply #942 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 10:58pm »

Castles - that would fit with my concern.

Again, please, I'm not saying that the BB photos aren't genuine, only that it is significantly different enough to warrant a closer look.

It could have been created by adding to the imagery that was already available. I think (I may be wrong) that this is the only craft that the possibility applies to. It is also against a very bright, almost white sky that would make it easy to meld an image into.

Here's my point - re examining this important because it's a great debunking tactic to toss something into the mix that will cast suspicion onto all of the rest. Think about the general public, folks who are just seeing this stuff for the first time. The people who haven't spent hour upon hour, day upon day, examining every detail of every piece of evidence. The BB photo is highly dramatic, it may well be the image that shows up in TIME magazine - I don't want it to be a ploy. A good number of people - maybe even a majority, and the media in particular - won't dig any deeper if they hit one single thing that's fake. Out with the bath water baby will go.
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« Reply #943 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 11:06pm »

What we really need to know to determine the size are the dimensions of those concrete floor squares - I thought at one time there was someone with knowledge of this exact type of floor that was looking into that? Anybody remember how long ago that post was smiley?
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« Reply #944 on: Jul 10th, 2007, 11:12pm »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:06pm, MarkM wrote:
What we really need to know to determine the size are the dimensions of those concrete floor squares - I thought at one time there was someone with knowledge of this exact type of floor that was looking into that? Anybody remember how long ago that post was smiley?


It was Roh and he said it reminded him of a place he worked where the slabs were 9' x 18' -- these slabs look more square than rectangular.

ALSO -- this is important Mark -- the pieces on the floor of the PACL photo ONLY match the rings on the Big Basin photos. You can go and check all of the other drone photos and see what I mean. (the #15 piece seems to not belong with the other pieces, and it matches to the Rajman drone ring.
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