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« Reply #960 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 01:04am »

I read this article and got a sick feeling in my stomach........
I had hoped this was it but it seems we were duped.
Thoughts? [/quote]

I have checked out MUFON, as well as all the other cited debunker references and you are right. We are either a bunch of duped idiots, or the ones with smarts.
At all the debunking sites, I still have not read ANYTHING that can show this is a clear hoax. Many of the debunking points are weak, at best; most are outright bastardizations of what has been said or shown. Finally, if all else fails, they ignore the 'good stuff'. If I am gullible, so be it. There are too many things that point in the direction of this being real, even BEFORE Isaac came along.
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« Reply #961 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 01:16am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 12:52am, urantia606 wrote:
DanBlast:

Don't trilly down the paths of misinformation.

Stay with us on the high road. The road to disclosure. It's a lot more fun and interesting.


Just trying to get to the bottom of it, urantia. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. I thought we finally had proof when Col. Corso (and Eisenhower aid and head of the foreign technologies division) blew the whistle on the whole thing. But it seems the media is not interested until one lands on their heads.
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« Reply #962 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 01:54am »

ok, I can see this as going a few ways with the recent developments.

1. Microsoft is behind the whole thing and we have all been duped. I, for one, would be EXTREMELY PISSED OFF if that is the case.

2. Maybe the government has been watching, as they do, and noticed all these reports and photos coming up. They contacted Microsoft and had them make it seem like they are behind the strange craft sightings in order to make it seem as though we have been duped, when in reality it was a government cover-up of real information being leaked.

3. We will find out that Microsoft is not behind this, and continue to research the heck out of the strange craft sightings and Isaac.
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« Reply #963 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 02:19am »

Okay, I'm finally home. I'm going to start posting some of my observations of the Isaac photos. Bear with me as I make multiple posts.
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« Reply #964 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 02:37am »

I'll start with some easy ones first...

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« Reply #965 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 02:57am »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 7:06pm, VonStern wrote:
Saladfingers has been at it again grin

http://www.ufofu.org/blog/

(Scroll down)

Didn't know how to put the picture in the post, if someone will, please do!

Von Stern

This drone is used in Irak and one holds inside two backpacks.
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« Reply #966 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 03:28am »

A question about some detail...

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« Reply #967 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 03:34am »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:57pm, danblast wrote:
I read this article and got a sick feeling in my stomach.
http://www.theparanormalreport.com/General-Paranormal/Debunking-the-Drones.html
It seems the makers of Halo 3 have fake sites all over the web dropping little clues. One of them is;
http://www.27.com/cool/ looking at the source code it mentions a picture http://27.com/ar.jpg which is obviously a magnified and pixelized shot of the drones tail. It seems we are either the victims of a brilliant but evil marketing ploy or an even more brilliant disinformation using the upcoming Halo 3.

I had hoped this was it but it seems we were duped.

Thoughts?

There is only one photo used and it's always the same one that debunkers mention. If they had mentioned more than one photograph they would have convinced me it's a hoax but with one only, it proves nothing at all. Moreover it was added in the website after the photographs became public. This website is a personal website related to halo but I don't think it was created by the company which made it.
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« Reply #968 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 04:49am »

Hello

I've been trying to read all the is going on in this forum, but I can barely keep up.
Anyway, I'm not the believe-all type, not the debunker type. But ... I noticed something:

We are so completely into this stuff that we can no longer reason out of the box!
We are so much into the computer and CGI stuff we can no longer think there are other ways to do this thing ?
C'mon!! I'm not THAT OLD!
Think!!

How can you make a photo look real? ----> By taking a *real* photo?
How can you make an object on a photo look real? ---> By taking a picture of a *real* object?
How can you make a photocopy of a photo look real? ---> By photocopying the real photo?
So... ?

So the ONLY DARN THING YOU HAVE TO DO is to create MODELS in plastic/whatever material, and take *REAL* pictures of them!!!
Yes!!! Basic!??

--> Didn't the Sci-Fi movies and series made perfect models of space ships during the last 30? years?
Plastic models?

AND these drones ones have the advantage you don't have to make the models look larger the real thing!
It's 1:1 size. Plain simple plastic stuff, you can glue together, split, put them up in a crane over the trees, snap *real* photos and in the end the *only* thing you have to do is to delete the wire in photoshop!!

Am I thinking too much out of the box?
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« Reply #969 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 05:15am »

I just had a "vision" kind of thing ...

A TV Doc entitled: The best UFO hoax ever!

They start by presenting the facts we already know, photos, docs ... the reactions of the people, forums... they even talk about some of the work we've made trying to debunk/prove the thing.

Then, they proceed to show how they deceived us:
The preparations, the backstage, the model making, the creators .... they talk how they created the drones from plastic, metal and glass. They even show us how some parts are bought in corner shop, plane kit parts... and how a B29 landing gear became some part in the drone.

They then they show us the story-making team. How they investigated the past, and how they choose the time span (80's) and the placement of the fictious installations close to Xerox, in a way people would believe.

They show everything, and how it was coordinated in a way it looked 100% real. Photos, everything.
The best specialists. They even employed investigators to find the loose ends, so that nothing could left behind proving it was a hoax.

/ start edit /
Then they go a step further: They pay a couple of good people that know to "position" the voice, to witness the work in progress and the snapping of the actual photos, so their accounts in the radio sound credible and detailed.
After a few trials they find the right persons, and these are so good that can deceive even the most skilled, because they are not making up this thing. They really witnessed the drone over the treetops. They sound credible, because then only thing they need to do is *not* to talk about the crane.
/ end edit /

Then, in the end of the doc, they prove their point:
Human beings can manipulated and be deceived if a corporation/governement realy wants to.
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« Reply #970 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 05:31am »

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Those are two metal wires that look funny so they don't look too suspicious.
They were put in place in the last moment, so the pointy antenna like thing would not collapse to the ground when they put the drone in the crane to snap the photos over the trees.
You see, the drone it's not titanium, it's just plastic with a thin metal structure in the center, and the antenna is heavier than looks like.
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« Reply #971 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 05:50am »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 10:02pm, MarkM wrote:
This post is for anyone just coming onto this thread who hasn't yet poured through the mountain of research that's been done by all of the great folks here.


Thanks Mark, you have more patience then I do these days.

So if you need an update, click on Mark's name above and it'll take you right to his pictures and comments.

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« Reply #972 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 06:00am »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 11:57pm, danblast wrote:
I read this article and got a sick feeling in my stomach.
http://www.theparanormalreport.com/General-Paranormal/Debunking-the-Drones.html
It seems the makers of Halo 3 have fake sites all over the web dropping little clues. One of them is;
http://www.27.com/cool/ looking at the source code it mentions a picture http://27.com/ar.jpg which is obviously a magnified and pixelized shot of the drones tail. It seems we are either the victims of a brilliant but evil marketing ploy or an even more brilliant disinformation using the upcoming Halo 3.

I had hoped this was it but it seems we were duped.

Thoughts?


First of all, the HALO3 situation is quite old. It was first reported in here during the BigBasin thread a very long time ago. Long before Isaac certainly.

Since, all viral marketing campaign thoughts have been moved to the following address.

HALO & TRANSFORMER MOVIE UNDER SUSPICION
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1182283823&start=0
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« Reply #973 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 06:12am »

When it realy is/was a HALO viral....why wouldn't they just use their CGI in the clip..instead of a foto ?

Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #974 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 06:32am »

"Don't know if that had been discussed before. this drone on the floor in the warehouse is MUCH bigger than Rajman drone -- unless those pieces are to multiple wrecked drones. the #15 picture fits on the Rajman drone's largest circle, yet it is a small piece compared to the largest circle there on the floor. the largest circle on the floor looks like that front ring on the Big Basin photos. that drone must be huge then."

Here is a piece from OMF by JakeReason. I don't agree with him on the expansion joint, though. It clearly is NOT where it should be, which is along a division between slabs - unless of course, the slabs are of different sizes. Also, nobody can say that what is depicted ARE slabs of concrete, although that does seem most likely.

JakeReason's post:

"I can offer some explanation regarding the concrete. I was once the co-owner of a Concrete Repair Product manufacturing company and Concrete Repair Training School. Co-author of a College course under the Ontario Training & Adjustment Board with Niagara College of Applied Arts.

Not to boast, just qualifying my observations. . . .

The entire concrete surface we see is no more than ~8-13 feet. No way to be precise as I can't tell how thick the concrete is, which determines the spacing requirements of control joints.

First off, the scratch marks on the pavement are formed by a brush (standard push broom) that is pulled over the surface within an hour after the concrete is poured. Since they are clearly visible, this can not be a large tarmack. ie: If this area was much larger, we wouldn't be able to discern the scratch marks created by the brush.

The lines are called "control joints". They are cut into the pavement after the concrete has set with a concrete saw. The purpose? - All concrete cracks. By cutting the line (usually 1-2 cm deep, depending on thickness of slab), when the concrete cracks it will crack on these lines - therefore "control the crack joints".

The white line is a "expansion joint". All concrete expands and contracts during temperature change. To reduce each slab from crushing the other during expansion, the concrete is poured in separately divided frames. Then, in order to prevent water/ice or sand/dirt collection between the slabs a "joint filler" is embedded.

The white line is polyethylene foam here, which is highly reflective.

The spalding you see in the bottom picture (broken piece), based on the thickness of the expansion joint (no more than a half inch), is 3/4 to 2 inches wide and 6 to 12 inches long.

If 3/4" x 6" - the large square slab (expansion joint to control joint) is 4- 4.5 feet wide.

if 2" x 12" - the large square slab is ~9 feet wide.

However based on my experience, they are probably either 4ft or 8 foot slabs, and the control joint on the far left is 2 or 4 feet. Given the visibility of the brush scratches, I would side on them being 4 ft squares.
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And so from this one can get an idea of the size of the items. The large ring is ~2.5 ft in diameter (if 4 foot squares). Or ~5 ft in diameter (if 8 foot squares).

Hope this helps."
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