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« Reply #975 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 07:11am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 05:31am, LAU wrote:
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Those are two metal wires that look funny so they don't look too suspicious.
They were put in place in the last moment, so the pointy antenna like thing would not collapse to the ground when they put the drone in the crane to snap the photos over the trees.
You see, the drone it's not titanium, it's just plastic with a thin metal structure in the center, and the antenna is heavier than looks like.


Great... now, tell us how come the big "paddle" here does not need such support:

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Judging from your awe at the 'discovery' of those wires, I'd say you have never seen Chad's photographs where they are clearly visible. Someone made a nice gallery of drone photos here, so please have a look.
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« Reply #976 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 07:44am »

on Jul 10th, 2007, 10:02pm, MarkM wrote:
This post is for anyone just coming onto this thread who hasn't yet poured through the mountain of research that's been done by all of the great folks here. There are two things that have worked to convince me that this is legit. And they aren't what you might think:

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1.) Of all of the photographic evidence, this impresses me the most. There would be so many steps involved in getting the "look" of this just right, it's overwhelming to imagine the time that would be involved to fake it. It looks exactly like what its reported to be - a black and white photocopy of an actual photograph. The DPI is consistent with an older copier scanner (it looks like a newspaper photo because the scanner wasn't sophisticated enough, not enough DPI to break down and "reassemble" the image data).

A. We can clearly see one of the symbols in the "language" on the re- engineered craft and in the linguistics primer (remember the timing here when looking at the first drone pictures).

B. There's damage to the smaller piece - I know some have argued against that - but look at the broken "teeth", and that split is too ragged to be a clean cut. This is the original wreckage, as we know, so that fits. Wreckage implies that it's broken.

C. Whatever this is under the artifact makes me question that this is as large as we originally thought. It really looks like something - a magazine or a newspaper - is used to prop it up. Knowing this will go along way in determining the crafts size.

I've worked with Photoshop for many years, not in same extremely intricate way that our CGI pros have, but enough to feel confident that this is a real photocopy of a real photograph of real stuff on a real concrete floor. If you accept that - then this would represent the very first public image of these artifacts. Again, assuming that this is genuine and knowing when it was published on the Isaac website, how could the first drone photos be fakes, there was nothing to reference and the parts match. The only drone photo that I still remain a bit skeptical of is the "menacing" Big Basin one. This came out later, after there would have been a real prototype to model a fake from (and I'm not saying that it is, only that it's so inconsistent with the others that it could be).

2.) Shirley. Plain and simple. Listen to that interview. Pay attention to her breathing and her speech pattern (also, she isn't led by LMH's questions on the symbols or the sound). Everything she says makes perfect sense including why she didn't report it before. She sounds exactly like anyone would who was telling the truth.

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html

I know that these are only two "exhibits" in hundreds that are flying around now (no pun intended). But they're terribly compelling.


This is another area where I have issues with the released "documents." The "photo quality" of Q4-86 stands out in contrast to Q3-85... for photocopied documents of 1986....

While Q3-85 looks good... all of Q4-86 looks too good (as in resently done).

And it just bothers me that Isaac has the original photos from the Q4-86 report.... I could not take home original photos from a project where I work, so I have very strong reservations that he could do it in a highly traced and secure environment that he described. Someone would have noticed that they were missing.

Is at least a part of this a red herring?
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« Reply #977 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 07:50am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 07:44am, bakosawa wrote:
And it just bothers me that Isaac has the original photos from the Q4-86 report....


they most likely had photographic reproduction facilities where they did research.

they would need to reproduce the photos for all the teams working on the tech. not so hard to have reprints from negatives made.
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« Reply #978 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:09am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 07:50am, j w wright wrote:
they most likely had photographic reproduction facilities where they did research.

they would need to reproduce the photos for all the teams working on the tech. not so hard to have reprints from negatives made.


If Isaac used them, then these photos are a fake... "They" would have known every person that would have used the facility, how many copied they made and what the subject was... (BTW, please turn them in as you leave). They are traceable.

Nice idea though.
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« Reply #979 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:13am »

If one more person brings up Halo 3 I'm going to cut myself.
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« Reply #980 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:18am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 08:09am, bakosawa wrote:
They" would have known every person that would have used the facility, how many copied they made and what the subject was...


nah, you're guessing about procedure, humans become bored and apathetic by routine, and there is always plenty fo room for shortcuts and the like

say your teams prints are getting a bit ragged and worn, you destroy 'em and order more prints, you need them quickly, or some other unforseen situation, and they get pushed through pronto

or you know the guy in the photo department who has some below par prints lying around, or maybe hes off to lunch when you stop by and he has a stack of bad prints in his 'destroy' tray

far too many variables to guess at, when working with people you be sure there will be plenty of procedural disconnects and workarounds
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« Reply #981 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:18am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 08:09am, bakosawa wrote:
If Isaac used them, then these photos are a fake... "They" would have known every person that would have used the facility, how many copied they made and what the subject was... (BTW, please turn them in as you leave). They are traceable.

Nice idea though.


Not necessarily and we weren't there. I imagine after 3 years, after everyone gets to know everyone the place could easily get a little relaxed and your peers are at some point not considered a threat to their cause.

After all, he did state that he snuck them out.
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« Reply #982 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:21am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 08:13am, jlc767 wrote:
If one more person brings up Halo 3 I'm going to cut myself.


Ditto, and unlike you I don't have that disorder. lol grin
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« Reply #983 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:21am »

LAU -

I appreciate your point of view. There are still a few things that bother me as well, but having said that, there are far more that impress me as real.

Your scenario could well be accurate, however, what are our options when a case like this - with photos, documents, and multiple witnesses - presents itself? Pretend that it's not happening, ignore the "evidence"(whichever way it eventually pans out)? Let the only investigation be that of the debunkers? Let the only words available to the public / media be those that reject the possibility that this may be real?

NOT examining this from all perspectives is a very dangerous route to take. There have been some big challenges presented, in this forum and in others, this is a good thing. We don't all agree, we don't all see things the same way - and, we continue to question.

The last thing that I want to be is the boy who cried wolf. Could this drone adventure be yet another false alarm? Yes. But then again, it might well be the wolf himself.

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« Reply #984 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:24am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 08:09am, bakosawa wrote:
"They" would have known every person that would have used the facility, how many copied they made and what the subject was... (BTW, please turn them in as you leave). They are traceable.



I'm not so sure.
It dependends on how many copies there were around in the building, and if at the time Isaac took the photos, the research have already moved on to a different level.
If that was the case, it would be easy to get the photos from the archive. Take one, leave the other 4 in there. No one will notice one's missing.
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« Reply #985 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:31am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 08:18am, j w wright wrote:
nah, you're guessing about procedure, humans become bored and apathetic by routine, and there is always plenty fo room for shortcuts and the like

say your teams prints are getting a bit ragged and worn, you destroy 'em and order more prints, you need them quickly, or some other unforseen situation, and they get pushed through pronto

or you know the guy in the photo department who has some below par prints lying around, or maybe hes off to lunch when you stop by and he has a stack of bad prints in his 'destroy' tray

far too many variables to guess at, when working with people you be sure there will be plenty of procedural disconnects and workarounds


True, people can be that way... but this is why security procedures in place, and are strictly enforced. Go back and read Isaac's story again... a machine gun in every corner.

And if you think things are so lax, try forcing your way on to an Air Force base and see if you can make it to the flight line... you are going to make a lot of new friends, if you are still alive.
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« Reply #986 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:35am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 08:21am, MarkM wrote:
NOT examining this from all perspectives is a very dangerous route to take. There have been some big challenges presented, in this forum and in others, this is a good thing. We don't all agree, we don't all see things the same way - and, [i]we continue to question.



Thanks for your comments.
It may not look like, but I'm open to all the possibilities! smiley

I only wanted all of you to be open to the possibility that we may not be able to debunk the photos as CGI forgeries, because those things were actually there when the photos were taken!

Now if they are earthly plastic, or alien hi-tech that's something we still have to find out.
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« Reply #987 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:43am »

And you're absolutely right to point that out. Better to be safe than silly smiley!
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« Reply #988 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:44am »

on Jul 11th, 2007, 08:31am, bakosawa wrote:
And if you think things are so lax, try forcing your way on to an Air Force base and see if you can make it to the flight line... you are going to make a lot of new friends, if you are still alive.


thats because i wouldnt have the 'hive scent', i'd be an outsider, but someone on the inside has the hive scent and is not percieved as a threat, especially over the course of time and routine

human unpredictability has always been the bane of security procedure. imperfection creates countless variables, plenty of opportunity for hijiinks and subterfuge

loose lips sink ships, a phrase that sums it up, i think
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« Reply #989 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 08:58am »

Anyone reached a conclusion on the watermark of the Issac docs?

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