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« Reply #1125 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:07pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 1:59pm, chemicaldave wrote:
Wouldn't it be a lot more interesting if everyone had really authentic pictures/artifacts and could study them instead of all this chatter about authenticity, and how they might work? Anyway, I gotta get back to real work. Thanks for the challenges!

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« Reply #1126 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:09pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:00pm, drewlac wrote:
Thanks ATO, I guess its time for me to email to LHM. I'm sure she obtained this info when she interviewed each of the witnesses


Sure, email her and while you're at it, see if she's got the other 11 high-resolution photos of Tys ready to email out.
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« Reply #1127 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:34pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 1:59pm, chemicaldave wrote:
That being said, if the U.S. govt got a crashed ship, it would be classified at the highest level, and we know that previous presidents couldn't even get info on them. So, Isaac says they are being developed for commercial applications? Come on folks. The strategic advantages of their systems would be so valuable to the military that we'd never see a commercial application.

I think, if they have "artifacts" they won't tell anyone because of the military value. And tell me the Department of Defense doesn't get whatever they want.
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Wouldn't it be a lot more interesting if everyone had really authentic pictures/artifacts and could study them instead of all this chatter about authenticity, and how they might work? Anyway, I gotta get back to real work. Thanks for the challenges!

Dave


It could possibly be that the Military brass coordinating the PACL lab only SAID that they needed commercial applications. It wouldn't be too far fetched to think that the government lied and used these computer linguistics geniuses to get what they wanted.

Whether US used the technology for military or commercial applications, either way the US profits whether it made us stronger militarily or in the tech sector. The powers that be at that time ie. Edward Teller, wanted to get any kind of leg up on the Russians as humanly possible.

Chatter... chatter.... chatter.... chatter..... chatter.
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« Reply #1128 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:52pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:07pm, VonStern wrote:
Until Contact of the Third Kind, what we have here, are what we have to work on! grin

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That's right, so here is my latest work on the high-res pictures:

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I've sharpen the pictures, and made an illustration of what I think the "nozzles" looks like.
As you can see, the "nozzles" have changed their possisions. So this means that there is alot more to take into considuration. More work for the cgi folks or the model builders if it's a hoax. If it's real, the "nozzles" (or whatever they are?) must have a purpose.

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« Reply #1129 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:54pm »

Man you guys are brutal. So, someone has a different opinion than you... debate it tactfully.
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« Reply #1130 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:55pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:52pm, RoH wrote:
I've sharpen the pictures, and made an illustration of what I think the "nozzles" looks like.
As you can see, the "nozzles" have changed their possisions. So this means that there is alot more to take into considuration. More work for the cgi folks or the model builders if it's a hoax. If it's real, the "nozzles" (or whatever they are?) must have a purpose.


WOW... I am always impressed by what you come up with RoH.

I wonder why the images on the underneath arms of the Big Basin drone are so much different than the other drones....in color, language and in style.
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« Reply #1131 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:11pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 12:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
You'll need to define primitive Earth technology. If you're speaking of a shot gun, yeah that would work. lol The rival alien race thing never crossed my mind.


I thought it was part of UFOlogy lore that projectiles just bounce off the shields as reported in the "Battle of LA" and elsewhere.

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 12:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But an alien would have anticipated one falling out of the sky. They have to because of the nature of the technology that they would be handing over. I put in brackets (internal components in particular), not external.


But Isaac says:
I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part.

So crashes are not due to our technology, but "meddling" with theirs?

Isaac also implies that UFO's almost never fail on their and fall out of the sky.
Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not).

This last statement seems to suggest that the something more powerful than them exists. I doubt that it is us.
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« Reply #1132 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:18pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:11pm, Nodnunk wrote:
But Isaac says:
I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part.

So crashes are not due to our technology, but "meddling" with theirs?

Isaac also implies that UFO's almost never fail on their and fall out of the sky.
Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not).

This last statement seems to suggest that the something more powerful than them exists. I doubt that it is us.

I got the impression that Isaac is claiming the technology making them visible was also alien tech.

"The technology itself isn't ours, or at least it wasn't in the 80's. Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a
vehicle's clacking comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me, but it's responsible for a lot. Our having access to this kind of device, along with our occasionally haphazard experimentation on them, has lead to everything from cloaking malfunctions like this to full-blown crashes. I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part."
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« Reply #1133 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:23pm »



There are people on these drone forums that are simply trying to understand what this drone thing is all about and may have no firm "belief" either way as yet.

On the contrary, if there are any PTB disinformation officers around I would think they would come in the guise of the ufo quack that draws half-baked conclusions and makes wild assertions about alien technology and supposed absolute truths about ufo conspiracy. UFO quacks only help discredit any alleged ufo evidence by appearing crazy and easily led into fantasy.

Now, I'm not saying that the drones are real or hoax. I honestly don't know fo' sho. However, the believers that have already swallowed the drones whole are just clouding the issue with their prior beliefs that they've gained from the ufo culture.

BTW - I don't know how anybody can say:

Everyone knows that alien artifacts have been studied by civilian industry for over a half century.

Everybody does not know because there is no available evidence that is not clouded by ufo quacks like Richard Boyle and Dr Greer and all the other quacks that are drawn to ufo's.

I'm what you would call a "Want to Believer" but from the research I've done I've come to the conclusion that there is probably something to the whole ufo phenomenon but there is so much dis-information from ufo quacks and hoaxers out there that I don't know where the truth really lies.


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« Reply #1134 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:24pm »




Everyone here should be aware and should prepare themselves for the possible truth: this can be fake, just a big great hoax. In order to get prepared and if you don't want to fall from to high (french expression maybe it's the same in english), read the arguments of those who just try to search the truth (even if it's not very pleasant to hear).
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« Reply #1135 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:28pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 1:18pm, DrDil wrote:
ChemicalDave – I just thought I’d let you know you are certainly not alone in this forum regarding the issues you have raised. You think exactly the same way as me. I’ve raised this and countless similar issues on too many occasions to remember!! There are just far too many problems with the full Isaac story and documents that he released. A short example,

1. OVERVIEW

This document is intended as a primer on the tentative findings of the Q4 1986 research phase (referred to herein as "Q4-86") at the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory (PACL). In accordance with the CARET program mission statement, the goal of this research has been achieving a greater understanding of extraterrestrial technology within the context of commercial applications and civilian use. Examples of such applications, in no particular order, include transportation, medicine, construction, energy, computing and communication. The ultimate goal of this research is to provide a core set of advanced technologies in a condition suitable for patent review
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Why would a research report include what is essentially a mission statement divulging its ultimate goal. Who is this to be presented to? They certainly wouldn’t tell industry where it’s from. And anybody involved with the organization and in a position that would entitle them to see the report wouldn’t be best pleased at damning evidence such as this and the admission of the absolute existence of vastly superior intelligent, extraterrestrial life-forms.

" 2. EXTRACTION

The process of converting raw artifacts of extraterrestrial origin to usable, fully documented human technology is termed extraction. `The extraction process ultimately consists of two phases: first is the establishment of a complete theoretical and operational understanding of the artifact, and second is a distillation of the artifact's underlying principles into a usable, product-oriented technology. Suggestions of specific product applications on behalf of PACL have been encouraged, but are not considered mandatory or essential.
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This again seems like it was wrote for the uninitiated man on the street.

The process of converting raw artifacts of extraterrestrial origin to usable, fully documented human technology is termed extraction

That’s two for two, first two paragraphs and the smoking gun of UFOlogy becomes irrefutable evidence, again why would anybody involved with the organization reading this report, want to know or need to know the basic terminology for what are obviously highly sensitive documents unless they were cleared to read it in the first place.


DrDil: This was my main sticking point for the docs too. I used to write a lot of stuff like this (monthly/quarterly/yearly reports, departmental plans, budgets, large tech docs etc) and it these PACL papers seemed to sport a suspicious amount of 'overview' for a compartmentalized document...

I dug out some of my old reports just for a quick compare, and I was surprised to see how much of the same type of 'high level overview' I did at the beginning of almost every document. Even internal ones on very specific topics like cluster design, network protocols, etc. Anything I prepared for sharing at the executive level would certainly have contained a substantial overview, and if for a broader, less "interested" reader base like the Board or general shareholders, the overview could be fairly robust (almost like a whitepaper).

Depending on who this doc is aimed at, I can see this structure being reasonable and expected. Senior brass who oversee many divisions, would most likely want a quick 'mindset' paragraph to get their brains focused on CARET, and then a quick refresher on each of CARET's current undertakings, the one we know about being called extraction.

The closest analogy I can think of is this: An IT department head prepares a quarterly report for the executive team to review. Though it will be presented through the CTO, it has to be readable by the whole exec (sales, marketing, finance VP's) as an indication of value and progress by the department. If s/he is trying to explain to the exec 'what we've been doing' it would behoove him/her to present a fair bit of overview and high-level summary without a lot of technical detail, at least in the first 10-30 pages (the remainder of the doc would get into more technical depth, detailed timelines, resourcing, etc).

So if this doc is prepared not as a core technical manual, but as it says a quarterly report (presumably for review by superiors), it holds water for me as sporting a solid and standard layout for the first several pages. Of course seeing the whole thing (if it exists) would probably leave us a lot less to speculate about wink
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« Reply #1136 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:33pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:04pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
bakosawa, read the article. She goes into some depth on the photos.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment


Yes I read this ATO... but I am asking about the physical handling of the "photos" either in paper form or electronically. What has happened to the photos until they were released by LMH. Are the photos we are seeing the “raw” image or did it pass through a resizing or two… or a scanner that may alter what we have as physical evidence?

I believe with all of the bickering and opinions that are going around, we do not have any solid ground to stand on if the photos are not “raw” images or show modifications.
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on Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:28pm, Fencesitter wrote:
DrDil: This was my main sticking point for the docs too. I used to write a *lot* of stuff like this (monthly/quarterl/yearly reports, departmental plans, budgets, very large tech docs for new technology and the like) and it seemed to sport a suspicious amount of 'overview' for a compartmentalized document...

I dug out some of my old reports just for a quick compare, and I was surprised to see how much of the same type of 'high level overview' I did at the beginning of almost every document. Even internal ones on very specific topics like cluster design, network protocols, etc. Anything I prepared for sharing at the executive level would certainly have contained a substantial overview, and if for a broader, less "interested" reader base like the Board or general shareholders, the overview could be fairly robust (almost like a whitepaper).

Depending on who this doc is aimed at, I can see this structure being reasonable and expected. Senior brass who oversee many divisions, would most likely want a quick 'mindset' paragraph to get their brains focused on CARET, and then a quick refresher on each of CARET's current undertakings, the one we know about being called extraction.

The closest analogy I can think of is this: An IT department head prepares a quarterly report for the executive team to review. Though it will be presented through the CTO, it has to be readable by the whole exec (sales, marketing, finance VP's) as an indication of value and progress by the department. If s/he is trying to explain to the exec 'what we've been doing' it would behoove him/her to present a fair bit of overview and high-level summary without a lot of technical detail, at least in the first 10-30 pages (the remainder of the doc would get into more technical depth, detailed timelines, resourcing, etc).

So if this doc is prepared not as a core technical manual, but as it says a quarterly report (presumably for review by superiors), it holds water for me as sporting a solid and standard layout for the first several pages. Of course seeing the whole thing (if it exists) would probably leave us a lot less to speculate about wink


Good point, it’s just that if the people at the executive level don’t know that it’s Alien tech that’s been back engineered, should they be reading it?

And, “The senior brass who oversee many divisions” I have difficulty accepting that this amount of people are in the know about such a clandestine project. If it’s all true, I believe there will be a very tight, small and strictly regimented handful of people who know about it, even the US presidents have in the past apparently not had the appropriate clearance, or weren’t on a, “Need to know” basis.

And I don’t feel that it would be a typical hierarchical management structure as we know it, and another point I didn’t mention is that if you are correct then why would CARET black out information that apparently is the secret to control of the device, what on earth (pun intended) could be left to hide?

Surely blacking out information such as this is tantamount to sabotage?
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on Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:28pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I dug out some of my old reports just for a quick compare, and I was surprised to see how much of the same type of 'high level overview' I did at the beginning of almost every document..........
Depending on who this doc is aimed at, I can see this structure being reasonable and expected. Senior brass who oversee many divisions, would most likely want a quick 'mindset' paragraph to get their brains focused on CARET, and then a quick refresher on each of CARET's current undertakings, the one we know about being called extraction..........
So if this doc is prepared not as a core technical manual, but as it says a quarterly report (presumably for review by superiors), it holds water for me as sporting a solid and standard layout for the first several pages. Of course seeing the whole thing (if it exists) would probably leave us a lot less to speculate about wink



Very well said. I think that this really sheds light on that debate.
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« Reply #1139 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 3:47pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:33pm, urantia606 wrote:
Many of the things that Isaac talked about are used by Alien Technology Inc in their products. It is my opinion that the use of that name is no mere accident.

I don't think they picked that name just for fun.

Uratia, please don’t take this as a personal attack as it is just the information you have passed on which I am referring to, and surely you wouldn’t have posted it unless you wished for comments? I have read extensively (through most of the night!) about Alien Technology Inc.

The Following is from the Alien Technology Inc Website (About us section)

Alien Technology provides UHF Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) products and services to customers in retail, consumer goods, manufacturing, defense, transportation and logistics, pharmaceuticals and other industries. Organizations use Alien's RFID products and services to improve the effectiveness, efficiency and security of their supply chains, logistics and asset tracking operations. Alien's products include RFID tags, RFID readers and related training and professional services. Alien's patented Fluidic Self Assembly (FSA) technology and related proprietary manufacturing processes are designed to enable the manufacture of high volume, low cost RFID tags.

Alien was founded in l994. The company's facilities include: its corporate headquarters in Morgan Hill, CA; an RFID tag manufacturing facility in Fargo, ND; the Alien RFID Solutions Center, in the Dayton, Ohio area, and sales offices in the US, Europe and Asia. Alien is a member of EPCGlobal.


Can you see the last sentence i.e. a member of EPCGlobal? And can you remember the last two comments I made about this subject? The last one was:

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:54pm, DrDil wrote:
RFID isn’t a completely new (alien?) phrase to me that’s probably why I was so blasé about dismissing it. You tell me to read up on it when you evidently haven’t checked out the information I provided you with, namely regarding the EPCglobal Network.

The Auto-ID Center handed off its technology to a non-profit organization called EPCglobal, which has created a second-generation air interface protocol and is developing the network infrastructure —now called the EPCglobal Network—to enable companies to share data in real time.

EPCglobal Network:

The Internet-based technologies and services that enable companies to retrieve data associated with EPCs. The network infrastructure includes the Object Name Service, distributed middleware (sometimes called Savants), the EPC Information Service and Physical Markup Language.


I have read up on it and still don’t understand, in short, and respectfully, could you please tell me:

How this is alien technology?
How this is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artefacts?
How you arrived at the decision that this is what Isaac is talking about?
How this is one of the commercial and military and communications and other applications of alien technology (when it has being around since the 1930’s)?
How this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone?


I’m not saying you are wrong, merely that I don’t get the connection and would like for you to explain it further.

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