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« Reply #1290 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 12:48pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:33pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Can you explain what dis-info I am pushing?


There is none that I have seen. If he produces anything at all it will be a stretch.
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« Reply #1291 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 12:49pm »

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As for Ty and Stephen, they have something special and are both in hiding from us.


on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:13pm, Latitude wrote:
I think this is entirely possible. Could they have been offered a bribe and a threat to stay quiet?


@ATO
LMH recently published a letter, it included a statement that Ty was willing to be interviewed, and that he was in the process of trying to convince some of his friends (who were present at the sighting) to come with him and participate in the interview.

Maybe they won't be in hiding much longer? smiley
Or did you hear something more recent?


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« Reply #1292 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 12:50pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:48pm, jugement wrote:
okay teacher;by the way I dont have any apples for you to day;ato. take care got to go .


I can't eat apples. They don't like me. I'm getting old and certain things don't digest well anymore jugement. I'll take a peach though as long as it comes right off the tree.
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« Reply #1293 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 12:53pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:49pm, DarkSky wrote:
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LMH recently published a letter, it included a statement that Ty was willing to be interviewed, and that he was in the process of trying to convince some of his friends (who were present at the sighting) to come with him and participate in the interview.


I saw that but nothing has come of it either.
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« Reply #1294 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 12:54pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 08:49am, onthefence55 wrote:
The minute anyone entertains the idea that this craft might be real, we leave the world of known science and venture into what you call "wild speculation". The understanding of such phenomenon will require that "science" be re-written or at least heavily modified.

Gotta be careful with statements like this. "Science" won't be modified - it is a constant truth. The laws of physics are the same *everywhere* in this universe, no matter how advanced your technology is. There are things we don't know, and things we are wrong about certainly, but 99.99% of the body of *current* human scientific knowledge is solid (enough) to say that it describes actual physical laws accurately. If we were off the mark even a little on the fundamentals, we would not have cars, computers, bridges, lights, etc. Even if we had a perfect, complete unified field theory today, it wouldn't affect the way we design and build common items like this.

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The ability to allow light to completely pass through in all directions without diffraction or reflection has never been reproduced by humans ever. This concept requires that the craft allow light to pass though unimpeded. If that is possible, then matter should also be able to pass through since the size of an atom is much smaller than the size of visible light.

Atoms and molecules are not transparent. If a photon hits one, it is either deflected or absorbed. Even transparent solids like glass simply allow *enough* light through (from the particular arrangement of molecules) to appear transparent. 100% transparency seems physically impossible without either changing the nature of the atoms or bending the light around them.

Also, just because there is 'empty space' inside solids doesn't mean that it is usable or unnecessary for integrity of the solid. There are tremendously strong forces at work holding atoms together, and we can't ignore that whole "molecular cohesion" thing... I think if we ever learn that it is possible to pass one solid through another it will be through some form of extra-dimensional 'movement' and not a molecular rearrangement like this.

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« Reply #1295 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 12:56pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:49pm, DarkSky wrote:
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LMH recently published a letter, it included a statement that Ty was willing to be interviewed, and that he was in the process of trying to convince some of his friends (who were present at the sighting) to come with him and participate in the interview.


Wait a minute. You might just have something there. Maybe this is why LMH went subscription. Hmmmm

If so, smart woman. She knew about the phenomenal increase in clicks she was getting on that site due to the drones. That's the kinds of things that set ad rates. Even though the crop circles are real popular too right now, it still won't compare to the drone report clicks.
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« Reply #1296 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 1:00pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:13pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Total now we have 1) probably the best CGI artist in the whole wide world since nobody's work comes close, 2) in walks Isaac who is a photographer who knows his work extremely well based on the pictures that were presented, 3) Isaac again, a visual artist who is acclaimed certainly since the word beautiful was used continuously in our descriptions of the linguistic primers, 4) I

saac again, a fabulous writer if his intention was to snow everyone and 5) a psychologist.

I think I just knocked myself off the dang fence - again! lol grin

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Hi ATO:

Well stated.

I submitted the Isaac writing to college grads and non-grads in tech work I know who are NOT UFO buffs. Their conclusion about Isaac is this.

"Isaac is not a fiction writer or English expert BUT he appears to be a college graduate and a scientist of some kind."

My own opinion is that if Isaac is a fiction writer he's a bit on the mundane and dull side. His writing is a bit too matter of fact to really be entertaining fiction.

That's just the opinion of my contacts.....that's all...nothing more implied.
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« Reply #1297 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 1:07pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:56pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Wait a minute. You might just have something there. Maybe this is why LMH went subscription. Hmmmm

If so, smart woman. She knew about the phenomenal increase in clicks she was getting on that site due to the drones. That's the kinds of things that set ad rates. Even though the crop circles are real popular too right now, it still won't compare to the drone report clicks.
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ATO, I'm also wondering if the site has gone subscription simply to cut down on hits and bandwidth, especially if she's offering high-res photo downloads directly from her server. If all of a sudden the number of hits goes up by by a factor of 10 and the volume of data by a factor of 100, it could be that she is responding not to *make* money off it, but to not *lose* money through dramatically increased hosting requirements...
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« Reply #1298 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 1:17pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 1:07pm, Fencesitter wrote:
ATO, I'm also wondering if the site has gone subscription simply to cut down on hits and bandwidth, especially if she's offering high-res photo downloads directly from her server. If all of a sudden the number of hits goes up by by a factor of 10 and the volume of data by a factor of 100, it could be that she is responding not to *make* money off it, but to not *lose* money through dramatically increased hosting requirements...


That's a wait n see but you know what, like every other website in this biz, there's no money in what it is they do. She may have found a way. We'll see.
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« Reply #1299 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 1:30pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 1:07pm, Fencesitter wrote:
ATO, I'm also wondering if the site has gone subscription simply to cut down on hits and bandwidth, especially if she's offering high-res photo downloads directly from her server. If all of a sudden the number of hits goes up by by a factor of 10 and the volume of data by a factor of 100, it could be that she is responding not to *make* money off it, but to not *lose* money through dramatically increased hosting requirements...


When did LMH offer hi res downloads from her website? As far as I know it never happened.

Also, I am at a loss about everyone talking about subscription only drone information. I have yet to see any that is not free. Someone please point me to an example.
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« Reply #1300 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 1:42pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 1:30pm, Latitude wrote:
Also, I am at a loss about everyone talking about subscription only drone information. I have yet to see any that is not free. Someone please point me to an example.


You are right now.

Last week when I tried browsing the stories, I was asked for my subscription information. Now it's all free.

Maybe just a glitch. Anyway, better grab it while you can.
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« Reply #1301 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 1:51pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:33pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Never stop thinking. Think infinitely small or infinitely large, but just keep thinking.


I agree with you… but “infinitely small” will just loose most people, especially when trying to explain it. The author was just trying to make this understandable and tried to explain how (and why) scientists work with it (this way).



on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:33pm, onthefence55 wrote:
The upper limit is NOT gamma rays and the lower limit is NOT long radio waves. There are NO known limits to the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation.



Again, you are purposely misrepresenting what I said.

The current nomenclature places gamma-rays (which are in the area of about a billionth of a nanometer) at the top of the scale... any shorter wavelengths are still considered to be gamma-rays. You maybe able to measure the electron volts but accuracy becomes an issue to measuring shorter and shorter wavelengths. You also have to have a source of these “sub-nano-nano” wavelengths in order to measure them. I do not know what shielding you are going to wear…

At the opposite end of the scale, any longer wavelengths are still long wave radio.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/emspectrum.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

Folks… judge for yourselves…


on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:33pm, onthefence55 wrote:
You have falsely included the word "fact". Let me rephrase that for you.




Actual I was trying to describe how the “facts” have be loosely played in some responses in this tread.

There are indeed facts in this case… and we should make the determination (it this is true or a hoax) based solely on the facts and not on speculation, feelings, wishful thinking or science fiction.

If we catch Isaac in a fabrication, or see something that would lead any reasonable person to have a suspicion about any of the photos (or Isaac’s story)… then what is the point to continue to support that part as unquestionably real.

On the other hand… if any of these is the real deal, we should not allow all of the sightings to be discredited because of one hoax… again, let the chips fall where they may.

I find it suspicious when anyone ignores the facts, and insists on one answer and one answer only.


on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:33pm, onthefence55 wrote:
I'm not selling, I'm just not going to bow down in front of your false statements.

Can you explain what dis-info I am pushing?




I think you just explained it for me.

Onthefence… If you are going to continue to take things out of context, mislead and make-up your own definitions, then I am done playing your game… back to the subject please.
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« Reply #1302 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 2:06pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:54pm, Fencesitter wrote:
Gotta be careful with statements like this. "Science" won't be modified - it is a constant truth. The laws of physics are the same *everywhere* in this universe, no matter how advanced your technology is. There are things we don't know, and things we are wrong about certainly, but 99.99% of the body of *current* human scientific knowledge is solid (enough) to say that it describes actual physical laws accurately. If we were off the mark even a little on the fundamentals, we would not have cars, computers, bridges, lights, etc. Even if we had a perfect, complete unified field theory today, it wouldn't affect the way we design and build common items like this.


Atoms and molecules are not transparent. If a photon hits one, it is either deflected or absorbed. Even transparent solids like glass simply allow *enough* light through (from the particular arrangement of molecules) to appear transparent. 100% transparency seems physically impossible without either changing the nature of the atoms or bending the light around them.

Also, just because there is 'empty space' inside solids doesn't mean that it is usable or unnecessary for integrity of the solid. There are tremendously strong forces at work holding atoms together, and we can't ignore that whole "molecular cohesion" thing... I think if we ever learn that it is possible to pass one solid through another it will be through some form of extra-dimensional 'movement' and not a molecular rearrangement like this.

hey you realy know science ;like the way you talk that talk . grin
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on Jul 24th, 2007, 12:50pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I can't eat apples. They don't like me. I'm getting old and certain things don't digest well anymore jugement. I'll take a peach though as long as it comes right off the tree.
here in florida we grow oranges like california ; the next time I am in Georgia ,my aunt have peach trees in her yard. I will ship you abox. I am older than you Iam 100 years old . so I have become a child again.
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« Reply #1304 on: Jul 24th, 2007, 2:20pm »

on Jul 24th, 2007, 1:30pm, Latitude wrote:
When did LMH offer hi res downloads from her website? As far as I know it never happened.

Also, I am at a loss about everyone talking about subscription only drone information. I have yet to see any that is not free. Someone please point me to an example.


I recall she emailed the hi-res (1200dpi) photo to IVO5000 over at OMF. He in turn placed it on DIVSHARE

http://www.divshare.com/image/1315375-9ce

But you're right. I never saw hi-res pics on HER SITE either.


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