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« Reply #135 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 4:56pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:08pm, CentralScrutinizer wrote:
... the only light I was kind of mystified by is the one that stays in the sky. If it's a helicopter....it sure doesn't do much, and at that range would be identifiable....if it's an illumination flare, there should be some incindiary discharge... the one thing that I can think of tho, is the installation there is pretty well lit up as well...and that is the lower site, which is a location for the tv show "The Unit"...maybe some tie in there somehow, and that was some pyro involved with the production.


The video is too short. I quite often see airplanes approaching my house for almost 8 minutes staying almost stationary in the sky. With a little more investigation she should have left the camera rolling until the top light disappears, she may have seen it fly right above here with flashing port and starboard lights. Also, a tripod would be a good investment!
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« Reply #136 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 5:09pm »

bakosawa, that's so funny! That was the first thing I thought of, too, but didn't want to add to the debate. But, I really had to stretch for that, and quite honestly I don't see anything extraordinary.

Maybe that's why LMH is holding out on the hi res photos, she wants to run them by George Lucas!
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« Reply #137 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 5:13pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:47pm, AgentM wrote:
You need to go back about a hundred pages or so.
It was already solved by one of the members. The wire was demonstrated to be there and not missing.

Please use HIGH DEFINITION image before working on any image and before "proving" it is a fake. Working on low definition images is useless and proves nothing.
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« Reply #138 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 5:13pm »

That's true. Their landing light is intense. I see planes many miles away heading for John Wayne Airport and their light stays stationary to my POV for a very long time.

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« Reply #139 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 5:27pm »

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on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:40pm, Keith wrote:
Well, here comes the bad news. I jumped the fence to the hoax side.


I found it! Here ya go Keith. You can hop back over to the other side of that fence now. This photo once belonged to a skeptic - by the way. He was actually the one in here to prove that it wasn't missing.

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« Reply #140 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 5:48pm »

Is there a link to a higher def image? I've been a photographer since the late 50's(oops, there goes my age) and have a fair eye for this- if the quality is good enough to work with. Thanks for digging the post out. It appeared at the top of the page on my third search attempt, so I got it in search right after you uploaded.
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« Reply #141 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 5:49pm »

I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another. Might there be some amazingly creative individuals behind this material? Could be, after all, somebody was behind the design of all those cool Star Wars gadgets. The complexity of this enigma - which is based not only on the craft but on numerous other elements as well, makes this possibility less likely (in my opinion).

Let's not use replication as the measure of truth. Just because someone skilled in CGI design can duplicate something, it in no way means that the original must be fake. I read this argument on other threads and it amazes me that this doesn't get through to some folks. Given enough time and the right equipment a good counterfeiter can run you off a pretty darn convincing $20 bill. That doesn't mean that all $20 bills are counterfeit!
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« Reply #142 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 5:51pm »

On the invisibility front-
The diagram from the MSNBC site needs to be viewed with its caption in mind:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12961080/

Caption: "The black lines in this drawing show the path that light rays would take through a theoretical cloaking device. The device's metamaterial would be patterned in such a way to route the rays around the cloaked sphere."

The inner sphere is the cloaked object, the outer sphere represents the interface beyond which the object is totally cloaked. The light rays represent some of the rays from a point source at infinity impinging on the cloaked object. The rays are bent around the object in such a way that the object casts no shadow. The diagram has nothing to do with the drones.
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« Reply #143 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 5:53pm »

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I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another.


Once again Mark drags the wagon back onto the trail. Very good once again.

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« Reply #144 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 6:03pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:49pm, MarkM wrote:
I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another. Might there be some amazingly creative individuals behind this material? Could be, after all, somebody was behind the design of all those cool Star Wars gadgets. The complexity of this enigma - which is based not only on the craft but on numerous other elements as well, makes this possibility less likely (in my opinion).

Let's not use replication as the measure of truth. Just because someone skilled in CGI design can duplicate something, it in no way means that the original must be fake. I read this argument on other threads and it amazes me that this doesn't get through to some folks. Given enough time and the right equipment a good counterfeiter can run you off a pretty darn convincing $20 bill. That doesn't mean that all $20 bills are counterfeit!


Here here! If you don't mind I may copy your post and throw it at Saladfingers over at OMF.
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« Reply #145 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 6:08pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:03pm, Latitude wrote:
Here here! If you don't mind I may copy your post and throw it at Saladfingers over at OMF.


I was just now emailing BJ to see if I could use a font smaller then (1) so I could put it in my banner area - grin
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« Reply #146 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 6:08pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:49pm, MarkM wrote:
I need to take a minute to express something that seems to be getting overlooked by all of the back seat graphic artists who are recreating the craft and linguistic elements. I say this as an artist myself - both computer graphics and fine art - having the skills and the technical tools to reproduce something that has already been brought into existence is one thing. Having the creative spark to conceive of and execute something unique, is quite another. Might there be some amazingly creative individuals behind this material? Could be, after all, somebody was behind the design of all those cool Star Wars gadgets. The complexity of this enigma - which is based not only on the craft but on numerous other elements as well, makes this possibility less likely (in my opinion).

Let's not use replication as the measure of truth. Just because someone skilled in CGI design can duplicate something, it in no way means that the original must be fake. I read this argument on other threads and it amazes me that this doesn't get through to some folks. Given enough time and the right equipment a good counterfeiter can run you off a pretty darn convincing $20 bill. That doesn't mean that all $20 bills are counterfeit!


LOL Mark...that was MY post about the $20 bill! Didn't you notice it was by me....the Dougster.

Now you went and hijacked it.....LOL
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« Reply #147 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 6:13pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:08pm, urantia606 wrote:
LOL Mark...that was MY post about the $20 bill! Didn't you notice it was by me....the Dougster.Now you went and hijacked it.....LOL


Oh great Urantia! Now Marks a plagiarist and a blackmailer! NOT! ROFL grin grin

Poor Marky. Everybodys been picking on him. The good guys always get picked on Mark.
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« Reply #148 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 6:14pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:21pm, Juniper wrote:
Isaac´s documents can be done pretty easily in Illustrator and Photoshop. I would personally use lllustrator to apply basic forms and texts and finally run it thru photoshop to make some skewing etc. errors. To remove "too" clean look I would lastly take a copy with lo-quality settings, copy machines tend to make that artificial ink look for documents. Dont forget, using digital tools doesnt mean you cant use old tricks at the same time.

If this was a commissioned project, I would estimate working hours to be roughly 20-30 if excecuted this well. The font set would take 3-5hours alone. Dont know about text, but anyone can count if that takes time or talent very much.


If someone was hoaxing this BIG HUGE laid out hoax....

I don't think that they would make 4 or 5 different kind of drones.

I don't think they would put the parts on the floor that only matched 2 of the drones.

If someone hoaxed this... they would probably only use one type of drone, and the pieces on the floor of the photo would match the one drone. Period.

There wouldn't be 5 different types of drones, and parts on the floor that matched only 2 of the 5 that we could see, with possibilities of even more drone styles. Doesn't make sense. Its real... it's all real.
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« Reply #149 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 6:15pm »

OMG = great minds think alike! it was the first example that came to mind. How bout I make it a $5 bill? wink

Anyway, I think we all pretty much co-authored that point.
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