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« Reply #180 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:43pm, syn wrote:
I'm having some trouble believing that the isaac documents are genuine classified military documents. The reason for this is they look nothing like classified documents in that they do not have a classification on them anywhere, not even the cover page. In my line of work for the military I deal with classified documents on a daily basis of all commonly known classifications, and I have only seen a small handful of classified documents that do not fit the format used throughout the military.



on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:06pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But was that the standard 20 years ago on technical manuals?
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Just a reminder, Isaac said:

"CARET shined in the way it let us work the way we were used to working. They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like. They wanted this to look and feel like private industry, not the militaryThey knew that was how to get the best work out of us, and they were right."

This is a red flag area for me too... the military always works in an orderly and proficient manner… documentation would not get a pass just to make civilians happy. It would be difficult to believe that the report would not be “secured” in some manner.

But anyone can publish any BS… but stick a security rating on it (even fake)… I would imagine you are going to get someone’s unwanted attention.
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« Reply #181 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm »

I almost forgot - did we get a definitive size on that craft? I was ata clients today, they have mobile production studios (huge trucks). I was standing on a catwalk looking down into the garage (more like a hanger) and the floor was like the one in the parts picture. The squares were about 8' X 8'. If we do have a size estimate we could figure out the size of that "cage". I still lean more towards some kind of energy gathering apartatus, the center needle being a conductor of some type.
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« Reply #182 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:43pm, syn wrote:
I'm having some trouble believing that the isaac documents are genuine classified military documents. [...]


C'mon! The TOP SECRET stamp & layout is the easiest thing to do!!!
Why wouldn't a hoaxer that had so much trouble and patience, fake the documents and photos so they looked top secret?
It would be the obvious first step!!

If there is no Top Secret in the Isaac docs, then I believe it's a proof THEY ARE REAL.
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« Reply #183 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:30pm »

Finally, beenieweenie , about time! Please check out her photos and the story behind them. Look at the close up, doesn't take much imagination to see that, especially the top wires - a very unique profile feature. We might have direct access to a witness yet!

Be nice, guys. It took her awhile to getup the courage to share that smiley.

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« Reply #184 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:31pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:24pm, beenieweenie wrote:
It could be nothing, but what the hey - I've seen all kinds of funny stuff in this thread today smiley

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This is the UFO you saw recently right BW?? It looks like it has a similar shape coming out of the top of it like the drones.
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« Reply #185 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:35pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm, bakosawa wrote:
Just a reminder, Isaac said:

"CARET shined in the way it let us work the way we were used to working. They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like. They wanted this to look and feel like private industry, not the militaryThey knew that was how to get the best work out of us, and they were right."

This is a red flag area for me too... the military always works in an orderly and proficient manner? documentation would not get a pass just to make civilians happy. It would be difficult to believe that the report would not be ?secured? in some manner.

But anyone can publish any BS? but stick a security rating on it (even fake)? I would imagine you are going to get someone?s unwanted attention.


I've been in the military and believe me they can do some very weird things.

My guess is that you would never even see a military person 'in uniform' go into the Caret Program offices. Even the guards were not military types.

You never know who may be watching that building.

The whole thing was made to look civilian. Isaac clearly states this.

I don't see the problem with that.
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« Reply #186 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:41pm »

Lagging Langlee here (behind again), just ran across this old piece about O'Hare, it's an off camera conversation with an Anchorman and Report before the live telecast.
Many points of interest in this as far as the response, ect, even the Anchorman is fascinated with the UFO.

I'll catch up now.
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« Reply #187 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:48pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:19pm, MarkM wrote:
Does anyone know what the highest resolution photo of the BB drone available is?

I think this is just a case of finding an area of lines and shadows and playing a matching game, but I'd like to look at a better one.


Most of the Ty Big Basin images are at about 500x340.

The Stephen Big Basin images are all at 2496x1664 although the craft only occupies a small portion of the full image.

This is the best we've seen yet from LMH of the Ty images, so there is obviously more detail than what we've already seen, and that is why everyone is crying and hammering at LMH:

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« Reply #188 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 7:51pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:48pm, Keith wrote:
Is there a link to a higher def image? I've been a photographer since the late 50's(oops, there goes my age) and have a fair eye for this- if the quality is good enough to work with. Thanks for digging the post out. It appeared at the top of the page on my third search attempt, so I got it in search right after you uploaded.


Yes,.....

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fovnis-usa.com%2F&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

You have to go to the 1st page, it say's
To accelerate a little the posting of this 1st page, the previous days are HERE .........................click the "Here", then 3/4ths the way down the page.
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« Reply #189 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 8:00pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:19pm, castles4me wrote:
Yikes, just thought of something... what if the guy in the cage is NOT alien... but human. I remember posting something in jest on the first thread that it looked like a cage where they could pick up humans (or something to that effect)


The french site approximates the BB craft to be minimum of 27 feet tall, that would put the dude at about 6 feet tall.
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« Reply #190 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 8:02pm »

Has this unusual
acraft ever been seen before?
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« Reply #191 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 8:06pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:02pm, castles4me wrote:
I see your point, however there is always exceptions to every rule. Who knows HOW they handled it there at CARET. And, maybe the binder that the documents were in was red with SECRET on it. Doesn't prove a thing.


Regardless, cover or not, each page of the document should be labeled top and bottom with the classification.

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:06pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
But was that the standard 20 years ago on technical manuals?
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That I can not be sure of, but like I said above regardless of colorful covers each page should still be labelled.
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« Reply #192 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 8:07pm »

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Yikes, just thought of something... what if the guy in the cage is NOT alien... but human. I remember posting something in jest on the first thread that it looked like a cage where they could pick up humans (or something to that effect)


Yikes again. That would make them hunters....not drones. That is unless a man is operating the craft from that position.
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« Reply #193 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 8:13pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:58pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hi Syn:

Great photo. Say, what about that writing on the blackboard......for gosh sake is that SECRET?

We kinda figure that the place where Isaac worked in the 1980s was set up to feel like a civilian research center with commercial applications. Like real cozy with coffee and donuts by the watercooler.

He says the military waltz in only every three weeks for look see....I'm sure even they wore civilian suits on their visits. They didn't want to spook the guys with the pocket protectors. Hense no classification markings on the doc. All real casual.

The military wanted to get down to brass tacks real fast and get going on the ET materials so they turned to those REAL smart guys in the civilian world.

Of course the military really lured the geeky civilian guys to work there to reverse-engineer alien artifacts so they could use them on MILITARY WEAPONS.

As Isaac said about a fourth of the engineers got fed up and left about the time he did.


Interesting points. Sure there are exceptions to every rule(especially in instances where the subject matter is as inordinately as this) and of course my points are purely speculative of the situation. I can see the necessity to tone down the environment to not scare away the brilliant civilian employees, but if I were in charge of the ordeal it would make sense to me to make sure classifications are included top and bottom of ever page to reinforce the sensitivity of the subject matter to these civilian workers with every page they look at. Of course, once again, this is all speculative and of no real value to the case. Just some food for thought.
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« Reply #194 on: Jul 17th, 2007, 8:14pm »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:26pm, bakosawa wrote:
Just a reminder, Isaac said:

"CARET shined in the way it let us work the way we were used to working. They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like. They wanted this to look and feel like private industry, not the militaryThey knew that was how to get the best work out of us, and they were right."

This is a red flag area for me too... the military always works in an orderly and proficient manner… documentation would not get a pass just to make civilians happy. It would be difficult to believe that the report would not be “secured” in some manner.

But anyone can publish any BS… but stick a security rating on it (even fake)… I would imagine you are going to get someone’s unwanted attention.


on Jul 17th, 2007, 7:35pm, urantia606 wrote:
I've been in the military and believe me they can do some very weird things.

My guess is that you would never even see a military person 'in uniform' go into the Caret Program offices. Even the guards were not military types.

You never know who may be watching that building.

The whole thing was made to look civilian. Isaac clearly states this.

I don't see the problem with that.


I do not see a problem with what you are saying... but isn’t it a bit of double talk to say…

They wanted to recreate as much of the environment we were used to as they could without compromising issues like security. That meant we got free reign to set up our own workflow, internal management structure, style manuals, documentation, and the like.

How do you not compromise security and give a free reign on the manuals and documentation. That is an oxymoron (even for the military). And if we are to believe this well thought out and highly secure military plan (which I find unbelievable)… it ended up with the release of an unmarked “highly classified,” guarded by machine guns, super secret partly blacked out report. Now, if your head is not spinning and you are not doing double takes… then are you really paying attention to this? Are we looking at secrets on the B2… no, never seen them and probably never will. But we are looking at something even more important, more secret, that the military could not figure out how to guard as well… hmmm. Hey, it’s Isaac’s story, he can tell it how he likes.

But it sounds to me like… security was compromised. Isaac is trying to have it both ways, knowing he can not.
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