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« Reply #225 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 03:34am »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 4:56pm, onthefence55 wrote:
The video is too short. I quite often see airplanes approaching my house for almost 8 minutes staying almost stationary in the sky. With a little more investigation she should have left the camera rolling until the top light disappears, she may have seen it fly right above here with flashing port and starboard lights. Also, a tripod would be a good investment!
on Jul 17th, 2007, 5:13pm, hjdelight wrote:
That's true. Their landing light is intense. I see planes many miles away heading for John Wayne Airport and their light stays stationary to my POV for a very long time.
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The best example I’ve seen for cases of mistaken identity is HERE,

It’s only two minutes long and it’s well worth a watch. BUT YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT ALL!!
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« Reply #226 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 04:14am »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 03:24am, Keith wrote:
Would somebody point me to the hi-res image please.
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« Reply #227 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 04:21am »

This thread grows faster than I can keep up with, so this may have been pointed out before. It occurred to me that Isaac's photos with the white backdrop may have used a mirror.

--the function of the mirror is to give the illusion that the 2 smaller pieces are floating in the air.

--the function of the white backdrop is to minimize the amount of digital retouching needed to conceal artifacts that would make a mirror obvious.

The mirror could've been vertical against a wall, but if it were laying flat on a floor it would've simplified the illusion. So I've rotated the images to show how the scene would appear with a mirror laying on the floor.

To give the illusion that the objects are sitting on the floor, they need to be touching the wall/backdrop as shown in the first photo.

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And to give the illusion that the two smaller objects are floating in mid-air, they're moved away from the wall/backdrop. I've also enlarged smudge lines on the mirror that were apparently made by the larger object being slid across the mirror as it was being put into place.

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I could be wrong. But since all possibilities should be considered, this should be tossed into the mix as well.

Edit: DrDil first pointed this out on 7/7/07

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« Reply #228 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 05:24am »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 04:21am, HopefulSkeptic wrote:
I could be wrong. But since all possibilities should be considered, this should be tossed into the mix as well.

Edit: DrDil first pointed this out on 7/7/07


I deleted the last post because I believe you are raising a similar but different aspect, and after re-reading your post I didn't want to detract from it. smiley
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« Reply #229 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 07:49am »

on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:23pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Sure he could. The government runs into this kind of thing many times with contractors that have to be hep to classified and even top secret material sometimes. They can't expect them to do it "their" way but rather let them do their thing the way they do it. I imagine after many of years of trying to get contactors do things like the government wants that the government gave up realizing that these outside companies work better when someone doesn't try to tell them how to run their end of the show or be it, their business. My dad worked for many aerospace companies as a subcontractor and he did his own thing as did the contractor. My dad was involved in a top secret project once too in 1967 or 1968 called Dandelion. They just know to keep their mouth shut is all and they do.

I don't see anything unusual about Isaac's place of employment becoming a bit relaxed after three years. Atmospheres change, especially after you've worked with someone for so long.



Yea, I have worked with these folks too (but I am not related to any). And that is why I find it odd the way Isaac says one thing… how they “changed” things as long as it did not violate security… almost like a casual observer, yet obviously it did violate security if unauthorized materials left the place, by who… Isaac. This is circular reasoning… there was no weakness in security except for the weakness in security, yet security was not violated except when I violated security. This is the way Isaac is telling the story.

Let me ask this… who are these reports written for? How were they disseminated? With no clearance restrictions, they can be passed out as Christmas gifts to the Chinese and Russians. If they had security, then there was someone in charge of it. It was their job to make sure it did not become lax or they would not have a job. The documents would have been protected.

Now the real reason these folks do not discuss this stuff, is that they know that not only their life is in danger, but the lives of their loved ones. Not from our government… but from foreign governments who are willing to do anything to get their hands on a secret like this.

If Isaac is the real deal… Isaac can never go public. Isaac would already know this. That is what would have stopped Isaac from doing this.

This is the main red flag for me to over come. Isaac is either good as dead or a hoax.
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« Reply #230 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 09:27am »

The Q4-86 report:

Here's a guess: Maybe Isaac got ahold of the 2-up galley proofs. Galleys don't have holes punched and maybe not even the classification stamps. The local Publications Department may have returned the galleys to the authors after printing. This doesn't explain the blacked out sections though.
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« Reply #231 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 09:34am »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 02:23am, nekitamo wrote:
No need - there are NO SPHERES there, sorry. I can make hundreds of pictures like those myself, thank you.



If the reddish spherical objects are reflections from my camera, then I would assume/hope that they would show up in the hundreds of nighttime pictures I've taken from the same place (my bedroom window) over the past 2 weeks (since the ones July 3).

I'll keep snapping pictures day & night, and play with all the possible camera settings - I really have tried/hoped to reproduce the spheres, but so far they only showed up in those four pictures on July 3. I think I'll even go across the street tonight and get close-ups of the lights - and devote my evening to trying to get some reflection spheres.

I mean - honestly, I think I would rather that they be reflections, instead of something hovering around outside my bedroom window. LOL



If you don't mind, I would like to keep the discussion of my little spheres in the original thread I posted, just so we don't distract from the Isaac thread (if you don't mind).

Trust me, I really have tried to reproduce them - I'll be especially interested to see what I get when the moon is in the same/similar position again (early August), since it seems that might be the best chance to reproduce what I got July 3.

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« Reply #232 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 09:38am »

May be some truth to that because if it's not a hoax and he hangs on to what he still has, they'll try to find him, if they haven't already.

Actually, the best thing for him would be to get it out of his hands then they would have no reason left to harm him, if they would at all - because the rest of the information would already be out there.

I didn't think to mention this previously since it only partly pertains, but when my dad was doing his thing back in 67-70, he was working for Ling Altec Lansing (Ling Electronics) on vibration and acoustic systems used to test space equipment. Ling was contracted by many aerospace companies during those years so I have no idea exactly where my dad was working at the time time of Dandelion. It could have been Hughes Aircraft, McDonnel Douglas, North American Rockwell, Boeing, Autonetics or Lockheed - anywhere actually because he worked at all of those locations and then some while employed by Ling (since purchased by the QualMark Corporation).

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« Reply #233 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am »

I have read all 200+ pages on the drone and all the Issac information. I've read your opinions, theories and some wild speculation. And the truth is I still have no idea what it is or even how much truth we actually know. Is Issac real? Are the documents a hoax? I've gone back and forth. While I believe the drone sightings are real based on eyewitness accounts I have a problem accepting the Issac documents verbatim.

What I find the most interesting about this story is: Why so much interest in this subject? What makes the drone and the Issac documents so special? Think about it! The drone looks like a light fixture out of the Golden Cherry Motel. (Yes we have a motel here called the Golden Cherry!) The Issac documents are just that. Documents! We can't say FOR SURE if they're real or not. We can and have debated it. And continue to debate it. But still the greater question is Why is this so special? What makes this more interesting than the O'Hare sighting? It at least made the national news.

This post isn't meant to be critical it is more out of fascination and awe. I haven't posted much on this thread because I'm clueless to what it is. But I have found the responses to be interesting to say the least. My only fear is IF this proves to be a hoax then a lot of people will become disinterested and lose sight of the greater picture. Which is learning the truth about UFOs. I hope you understand this is just my opinion. Actually its more of a non opinion. But keep up the good work I find some of the posts here.....fascinating and informative. Dan
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on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am, GForce wrote:
What I find the most interesting about this story is: Why so much interest in this subject? What makes the drone and the Issac documents so special? Think about it! The drone looks like a light fixture out of the Golden Cherry Motel. (Yes we have a motel here called the Golden Cherry!) The Issac documents are just that. Documents! We can't say FOR SURE if they're real or not. We can and have debated it. And continue to debate it. But still the greater question is Why is this so special? What makes this more interesting than the O'Hare sighting? It at least made the national news.


Probably because it is the closest thing to disclosure ever.
  • Multiple witnesses
  • Clear high definition photos
  • Recent and ongoing dialog and reports from witnesses
  • Nothing to prove hoax yet in 2 months of examinations


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on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:15am, onthefence55 wrote:
Probably because it is the closest thing to disclosure ever.
  • Multiple witnesses
  • Clear high definition photos
  • Recent and ongoing dialog and reports from witnesses
  • Nothing to prove hoax yet in 2 months of examinations



There’s something I’ve been wondering about, was there any one point that you can define when you jumped off the fence and landed with both your feet in the, “Field of belief?”

Or was it an amalgamation of the evidence/documents/sightings etc?

If the latter is the case then what was the catalyst to the realization, the straw that broke the camels back?
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« Reply #236 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 10:46am »

Excellent post, Dan. Honest and an accurate assessment of pretty much where things stand at this juncture.

Perhaps the biggest cause of frustration for me is the sense that there are individuals with additional information to share, who - for whatever reason - are not being forthcoming. I'm not saying that their reasons aren't justified, only that things are being held back. For one thing, I find it hard to believe that Isaac (provided that he is still a free man) isn't following all of this interest and investigation. If he wanted an animated response, he got it in spades. Time to take the next step. I also find it difficult to believe that, again, based on the tremendous amount of activity surrounding this, that the two major contacts (players) - Linda Moulton Howe and George Noorey - aren't aggressively pursuing leads. Surely they've turned up something by now! Their sudden silence is very unsettling. As journalists (mainstream or not) they have a responsibility to the public. At least provide updates of what's being done, even if nothing earth shattering has turned up!

I've gotten it down to two scenarios (my own determination only):

1.) This event is real and represents an opportunity for disclosure at a time when the public is more receptive than ever. The lull in information (and media silence) reflects an effort on the part of the government and others to get their ducks in a row before taking that next giant step.

- or -

2.) These are government surveillance craft, built around extraordinary earth based technology (or not). As such, there would be a need to maintain a high level of secrecy. The CARET documents were disseminated as a cover story. Just one more crazy UFO conspiracy that will rage, fizzle and die. Mission accomplished.

I'm hoping that it's number one. This event is long over due.

I'll repeat what I've said before - we've gone about as far as we can with what we have. If Isaac (and others) are truly interested in advancing the cause, a cause that he placed himself in jeopardy to initiate, then there has got to be some follow up - soon.
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on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:40am, DrDil wrote:
There’s something I’ve been wondering about, was there any one point that you can define when you jumped off the fence and landed with both your feet in the, “Field of belief?”


I'll admit that I was pretty sure it was real from the first time I saw that image on C2C. And almost everything after that has deepened my belief.

There will be a moment of disappointment and embarrassment if/when this is proved to be a hoax. In the meantime I'll just enjoy the ride and keep trying to solve the puzzle.
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« Reply #238 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 10:55am »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am, GForce wrote:
What I find the most interesting about this story is: Why so much interest in this subject? What makes the drone and the Issac documents so special? Think about it! The drone looks like a light fixture out of the Golden Cherry Motel. (Yes we have a motel here called the Golden Cherry!)


Let's see what the possibilities are that make this event so special.

1. Disclosure
2. End to biggest government conspiracy
3. Contact with ETs
4. New technologies like free energy
5. Exploration of the Galaxy
6. A real New world order.

But then there's that darn Golden Cherry Motel light fixture thing. Put the kabosh on the whole damn thing. rolleyes

BTW. How is it you are so familiar with the Golden Cherry Motel? Frequent customer? grin
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« Reply #239 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 11:00am »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:15am, onthefence55 wrote:
  • Multiple witnesses
  • Clear high definition photos
  • Recent and ongoing dialog and reports from witnesses
  • Nothing to prove hoax yet in 2 months of examinations




Please do not misunderstand what I am saying…

But the same thing could have been said about the 1934 Nessie hoax right up to 1984.

This is not objective evidence. This is opinion.

on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:01am, GForce wrote:
I have read all 200+ pages on the drone and all the Issac information. I've read your opinions, theories and some wild speculation. And the truth is I still have no idea what it is or even how much truth we actually know. Is Issac real? Are the documents a hoax? I've gone back and forth. While I believe the drone sightings are real based on eyewitness accounts I have a problem accepting the Issac documents verbatim. Dan


Dan, I think you have hit the nail on the head... assuming that all of the eyewitness accounts are truth (and that someone did not slide something in on us on the sly).
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