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« Reply #300 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 5:55pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:35pm, bakosawa wrote:
I didn't want to let this out (with all the activist) so shhhhhhhh.... the horse is dead and lying down... and through sophisticated CGI, we made it look like it was kind of standing up. Let just keep this between you and me.


No comprende'. Can you give it to us in English. grin

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« Reply #301 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 5:56pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:25pm, Lok wrote:
If the document presents a red flag for me it is in the fact that areas of the document have been blacked out. According to the Earthfiles(?) podcasts, Isaac wrote that PACL did that, not him. Why would an internal brief have blacked-out text unless it was meant to be disclosed.



I know this is difficult to keep up with (even I can disavow any I have written earlier)… that was one of many red flags for me to. But I miss that Isaac did not black out these lines… which really throws up a giant Maggie’s Drawers!

The logic of all of the twists and turns and circular logic that we are to suppose to believe (I guess a healthy dose of ignorance is really helpful) is astounding… but for PACL to some how intervene in the report (which they had a free hand) and black out the report… say what? Which of Isaac's story's is correct?
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« Reply #302 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 5:57pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 3:58pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
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your Babelfish french is almost correct. At least i got the message.. This place and OMF are my favourites. But i do visit deb***ers' places as well, as part of the job.
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« Reply #303 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:04pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:55pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
No comprende'. Can you give it to us in English. grin

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Waaaaahhhhhhh! cry cry cry

You out CGI'ed me. shocked

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« Reply #304 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:05pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:32pm, MarkM wrote:
If his desire really is disclosure, far better to ride the momentum that has already been created than to risk losing some of the support he's gained. He risks his credibility in his silence. By that I mean the sincerity of his mission. Either you're in the fight or you're not.


BINGO!!! We have a winner! Not only could he lose support he's gained he could also have G-Men crawling up his keister. Can anyone think of a GOOD reason not to release everything?
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« Reply #305 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:13pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:04pm, bakosawa wrote:
Waaaaahhhhhhh! cry cry cry

You out CGI'ed me. shocked

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« Reply #306 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:16pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:57pm, DdP wrote:
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your Babelfish french is almost correct. At least i got the message.. This place and OMF are my favourites. But i do visit deb***ers' places as well, as part of the job.


Welcome! Very glad to have you here in person! You're taller then I remember lol

So are you like the George Noory of France then?
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« Reply #307 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:17pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:08am, DrDil wrote:
I too struggle with the authenticity of the Isaac episode.



I have a question for those of you who have followed these issues for awhile. The debate between hoax or real fascinates me. I have been curious about past incidents: How does it finally come about that the UFO community agrees on whether something is ultimately a hoax or not? Is it when the flow of information just stops after awhile? ....a general fatigue with a particular episode? ...the disappearance from the forums of the original person who reported something? ...and then, does the incident just sort of float around out there forever, as an unknown?
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« Reply #308 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:24pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:56pm, bakosawa wrote:
I know this is difficult to keep up with (even I can disavow any I have written earlier)… that was one of many red flags for me to. But I miss that Isaac did not black out these lines… which really throws up a giant Maggie’s Drawers!

The logic of all of the twists and turns and circular logic that we are to suppose to believe (I guess a healthy dose of ignorance is really helpful) is astounding… but for PACL to some how intervene in the report (which they had a free hand) and black out the report… say what? Which of Isaac's story's is correct?


Exactly, that struck me as odd. There might be some perfectly acceptable reason for this but none was offered so once again we are left to speculate. At first I misunderstood his letter, I thought that he personally blacked out information, but after re-reading the letter he sent to C2C it became clear that he chose what to disclose, not what to blackout.

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That brings up another point. Isaac clearly stated that future files would be disclosed through C2C and from the same e-mail addy that he used originally. Does this mean that the fortunecity website is an ID hijack? I think there is another .com site with his name too right? But given his statements in the original letter, that would not be him but someone else too. And how about the thread started here in the ufocasebook forum, that would seem to conflict with his previous statements too. Has he revised his policy and if so did he publish that revision *through* C2C?

BTW the podcasts are #17,18, and 19 right? Are there others that I've missed?

And since I'm droning (oh no I didn't) on and on, I'm changing my forum name to Whane The Whip and this will serve as full disclosure to that. cheesy
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« Reply #309 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:27pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:17pm, starsigndavid wrote:
I have a question for those of you who have followed these issued for awhile. The debate between hoax or real fascinates me. I have been curious about past incidents: How does it finally come about that the UFO community agrees on whether something is ultimately a hoax or not? Is it when the flow of information just stops after awhile? ....a general fatigue with a particular episode? ...the disappearance from the forums of the original person who reported something? ...and then, does the incident just sort of float around out there forever, as an unknown?


David:

Your answer is actually in your question above.

What is always needed are eyewitness accounts and photos help a lot.

Sort of like did George Washington really live. I never saw a photo of him but I did read accounts of people who saw him and his lovely wife Martha. Oh, yes, there are a few 'paintings' of him but no movies, or photos or even a recording of his voice.

So I guess I have to take it all on 'faith'.

See the point?
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« Reply #310 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:37pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:24pm, Whane The Whip wrote:
Does this mean that the fortunecity website is an ID hijack?


No, that's the good address.

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I think there is another .com site with his name too right? But given his statements in the original letter, that would not be him but someone else too.


If you mean the www.isaaccaret.com - no, that was purchased and sold by - we'll call him for now a website investor however he is the attorney Todd Schwartz who we thought for a while might be an attorney representing Isaac.

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And how about the thread started here in the ufocasebook forum, that would seem to conflict with his previous statements too. Has he revised his policy and if so did he publish that revision *through* C2C?


Can you clarify?

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BTW the podcasts are #17,18, and 19 right? Are there others that I've missed?


To the best of my knowledge.

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And since I'm droning (oh no I didn't) on and on, I'm changing my forum name to Whane The Whip and this will serve as full disclosure to that. cheesy


Well, you might want to tell them you were previously LOK. grin Why Wayne the Whip? Is that like a bondage thing or what? grin Ask a few members about that since some of them feel that they're in bondage due to this topic holding them slave to it. lol
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« Reply #311 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:44pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:57pm, DdP wrote:
Hi,
your Babelfish french is almost correct. At least i got the message.. This place and OMF are my favourites. But i do visit deb***ers' places as well, as part of the job.


Ddl:

Welcome to this site. We're all fanatics about the Isaac documents.

But not everyone agrees on everything about them. There's a lot of controversy here. I am sure you have noticed.

Our Moderator ATO does her best to keep the members under control. Sort of like having a room full of cats.

Urantia606....also, dougster, on that other forum.
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« Reply #312 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:44pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:17pm, starsigndavid wrote:
I have a question for those of you who have followed these issued for awhile. The debate between hoax or real fascinates me. I have been curious about past incidents: How does it finally come about that the UFO community agrees on whether something is ultimately a hoax or not? Is it when the flow of information just stops after awhile? ....a general fatigue with a particular episode? ...the disappearance from the forums of the original person who reported something? ...and then, does the incident just sort of float around out there forever, as an unknown?


Besides what Urantia said, which was a great analogy by the way Urantia, it's rare that anything in ufology is ever thoroughly considered a hoax.

As much as the skeptic camps would like to think so, they haven't proved that it is, nor have we, so it's never been debunked, hence it cannot be termed as a hoax.

There are hoaxes certainly but they're usually quite obvious and not riddled with uncertainty like the drones and Isaac are. Then again there have been two hoaxes that I can think of that took quite a bit of time proving such and they were both a real big deal.
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« Reply #313 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:46pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:13pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
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« Reply #314 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 6:56pm »

on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:37pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
No, that's the good address.


So this site was up before Isaac contacted C2C and he informed C2C that he registered it? It strikes me as odd that Isaac would feed his story and photo-copies exclusively through C2C when he has a site already.


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Can you clarify?

Judging by your responce probably not, I may have misread a thread and I'll have to go back.

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Well, you might want to tell them you were previously LOK. grin Why Wayne the Whip? Is that like a bondage thing or what? grin Ask a few members about that since some of them feel that they're in bondage due to this topic holding them slave to it. lol
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My signature reads "Formerly Lok" for now. Not that anyone here remembers me as I was never a big poster, but just to clarify. And no I'm not into bondage. Whane The Whip is my gaming name and I've developed an attachment to it. I intend to merge my gaming world with my UFO/Conspiracy/geeky world.

If you *really* wish to know more then you can read this: http://whane.the.whip.googlepages.com/whip
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