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« Reply #690 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:31pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:20pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
you miss one important fact. It's a lot easier to mimic something than it is to create this whole entire story from scratch, including drones, linguistic primers, multiple convincing witnesses, and a whole backstory that checks out


That wasn't my point. My point was that SaladFingers has put a lot of effort into showing how this drone scenario may be hoaxed. It doesn't prove anything either way but at least now we have some insight into how the Isaac documents and drone imagery *might* be hoaxed.

His contributions are far more valuable than some of the ridiculous assertions about the Alien Technology company and Dr Edwards being part of the alien cover up. That's just like me saying - oh looky! This website is obviously selling computer hardware derived from alien tech because their name is Alienware.
http://www.alienware.com/

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« Reply #691 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:31pm »

i am not a religeous person at all..but i have to say that religion has a lot of good sides and a lot of ppl get a lot of good out of their religion . It's only when it gets fundamental that things get ugly.
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« Reply #692 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:32pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 4:36pm, Keith wrote:
The blue shadow is not consistant in the image. Not only does it have different angels, but there aren't any blue shadows in some areas. If software was applied that produced the blue edge, it would be evident in the brighter areas- it's just not totally consistant. Plus, you have these blue edges at different angels in the inset that are in the shadowed underside. I see this as something that needs more anaysis.


Yes, it does need more analysis.
But if you consider that the image was scanned (dust can be seen), then it means it was printed. It was probably photographed with a film camera.

So... maybe the colors are not consistent because this is not the whole photo, it's just a zoom part of the original photograph ---> just noticed the image size is not 4:3 (or similar), so it agrees with what I was saying.

I also noticed that when I tried to do chroma correction - the center of the image does not match with the lens center, so if the chroma correction if off-center, then the blue color blur is not even also.
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« Reply #693 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:35pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:20pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
you miss one important fact. It's a lot easier to mimic something than it is to create this whole entire story from scratch, including drones, linguistic primers, multiple convincing witnesses, and a whole backstory that checks out


Hey pvtjoker, btw is your nic in reference to Full Metal Jacket?

You beat me to the post. I'll just add that none of Salad's drones have ever come close to the realism in the Chad Raj photos. Sure, his LAP diagrams were quite good copies, but that is just what they are, copies. It showed no creativity.

What salad has done is become a tool for the debunkers. He claims it was not his intention but he continues to pursue those things. Then there was the day right after the Isaac story broke where he launched his most extreme attack on the believers calling them jackasses being led by a caret.

So do not let his benign appearance fool you. He's the strongest debunker force on OMF.
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« Reply #694 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:40pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:10pm, StayFocused wrote:
The reason you find SaladFingers as a pain in the butt and ignore him is because you're already a firm believer in this drone phenomenon and any opinion that differs from your firm belief is annoying to you. IMO, SaladFingers has raised more logical arguments than you or any of the firm believers have. For one, he's shown that it is very easy to create convincing images that resemble these drones. His fakes have already fooled plenty of people including LMH.

He's also show that it is very easy to create the LAP in Adobe Illustrator. Sure, this doesn't prove the originals are fake but it does show that they wouldn't take unimaginable amounts of a hoaxer's effort to produce.

On the contrary, all you've done is raised spurious connections and conjecture on this whole drone thing that brings the intelligence of any discussion down to ground level.



Your comments about me are an insult to your intelligence.
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« Reply #695 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:44pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:26pm, leviathan6 wrote:
What I said regarding this "CG expert" has come true. If I were the gov. I would hire this guy because his entire agenda fits a devout debunker for hire. He has never pulled off a real reproduction. He uses psychology to get people to think he has. He seems to have a group that always show up when any one is critical of him and WE ALL KNOW THAT CG CAN REPRODUCE MUCH. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE PROVEN. This is like the next step in CG and is vastly different than that use in special effects movies.


That's really lame - the old "oh you don't believe you must be a PTB employed debunker" argument. Nuff said.

When I look at the drone images, I see 3D model written all over them (as somebody who has done a fair bit of 3D modeling). The drones look like they were created in a 3D modeling package with heavy use of the lathe and rotation duplication tools. A lot of the details on the models just don't look very functional.

One of the first rules of creating a realistic looking model is that form follows function - every part of the model should appear to have a purpose. Sure, this might also be alien technology with parts that have a purpose incomprehendible to feeble human minds.

The other thing that indicates 3D or hand built model to me is the surface material of these drones. They look very flat and homogenous (like a 3D model with a standard material applied) or of course, maybe aliens use a single all purpose material (although clearly this can't be true because the anti-gravity devices have a shiny reflective look that the drones don't have).
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« Reply #696 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:45pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:35pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey pvtjoker, btw is your nic in reference to Full Metal Jacket?

You beat me to the post. I'll just add that none of Salad's drones have ever come close to the realism in the Chad Raj photos. Sure, his LAP diagrams were quite good copies, but that is just what they are, copies. It showed no creativity.

What salad has done is become a tool for the debunkers. He claims it was not his intention but he continues to pursue those things. Then there was the day right after the Isaac story broke where he launched his most extreme attack on the believers calling them jackasses being led by a caret.

So do not let his benign appearance fool you. He's the strongest debunker force on OMF.


Hey, Latitude:

Thank you! You are one of the few that can see through Saladfingers.

His smug attitude is a dead giveaway of his purpose on OMF. He is a total debunker and a rather inept one at that.

Also, his CG efforts are a complete waste of time. He nowhere even comes close to the actual photos of the Drone. The hi-res photo LMH released yesterday blew a hole in his comfort zone. But does that stop him? No, he goes on and on like the bunny rabbit in the battery commercial.
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« Reply #697 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:49pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:35pm, Latitude wrote:
Hey pvtjoker, btw is your nic in reference to Full Metal Jacket?

You beat me to the post. I'll just add that none of Salad's drones have ever come close to the realism in the Chad Raj photos. Sure, his LAP diagrams were quite good copies, but that is just what they are, copies.


They came close enough to fool LMH and a lot of other people. Which goes to show just how much in depth research LMH does on her sources.



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« Reply #698 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:49pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:21pm, starsigndavid wrote:
THANK YOU for that, AgentM! wink


Let's not slam all religion. Religion didn't start either of the world wars.
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« Reply #699 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:50pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:40pm, urantia606 wrote:
Your comments about me are an insult to your intelligence.


BTW - Before you call me a debunker, let me tell you I would very much like for this to be real - it would be very exciting. But I just haven't seen anything that couldn't have been cooked up by someone's overactive imagination.
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« Reply #700 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:53pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:49pm, StayFocused wrote:
They came close enough to fool LMH and a lot of other people. Which goes to show just how much in depth research LMH does on her sources.



I'm making a list of the debunkers on this thread.

Since yesterday and the release of the hi-res photo they have become shrill to the point of desperation.

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« Reply #701 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:54pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:03pm, urantia606 wrote:
RFID has come a long way since WWII. If you would read what Alien Technology Inc, does and what type of products they offer, you would understand.

Also, it would help to be a bit more calm about this, dude.

Regarding, “Calm down.” I’m genuinely sorry, I'm just used to talking to you in the manner in which you address me. (e.g. Dil)

Yeah it’s come a long way since WWII but it’s still not Alien and as I said isn’t this, “Long way” due to the internet?

It was the, “They research applications that use RFID. That's Radio Frequency Identification. This is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artifacts. And this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone” comment that caused me to write that, it may have come a very long way since WWII but it’s still very much human technology rather than Alien, or am I missing something (it has been known! wink)

I don’t see how a device which is fundamentally used for stock-taking/control is alien technology, much less how it relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone

RFID isn’t a completely new (alien?) phrase to me that’s probably why I was so blasé about dismissing it. You tell me to read up on it when you evidently haven’t checked out the information I provided you with, namely regarding the EPCglobal Network.

The Auto-ID Center handed off its technology to a non-profit organization called EPCglobal, which has created a second-generation air interface protocol and is developing the network infrastructure —now called the EPCglobal Network—to enable companies to share data in real time.

EPCglobal Network:

The Internet-based technologies and services that enable companies to retrieve data associated with EPCs. The network infrastructure includes the Object Name Service, distributed middleware (sometimes called Savants), the EPC Information Service and Physical Markup Language.

I was under the impression this was the, “Cutting edge” of RFID, not the BB Drone.

I have read up on it and still don’t understand, in short, and respectfully, could you please tell me:

How this is alien technology?
How this is exactly what was researched at PARC by using alien artefacts?
How you arrived at the decision that this is what Isaac is talking about?
How this is one of the commercial and military and communications and other applications of alien technology (when it has being around since the 1930’s)?
How this relates directly to the writing on the BB Drone?


Many thanks (and no large letters)

“Dil.”
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« Reply #702 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:54pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:49pm, StayFocused wrote:
They came close enough to fool LMH and a lot of other people. Which goes to show just how much in depth research LMH does on her sources.


It showed me something completely different. It showed me how the skeptical masses can be even more gullible than the believers. Many naysayers came out of the woodwork over his cgi disinfo claiming "see I told you it was all a hoax. He deceived many.
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« Reply #703 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:57pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:50pm, StayFocused wrote:
BTW - Before you call me a debunker, let me tell you I would very much like for this to be real - it would be very exciting. But I just haven't seen anything that couldn't have been cooked up by someone's overactive imagination.


Pray tell, what ever made you think I would call you a debunker?
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« Reply #704 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 6:57pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:15pm, AgentM wrote:
Religious community. HaHa! It will be the best thing that ever happened to the religious community. Maybe then mankind can get past perpetual war.

I can’t believe it AgentM, is that common ground I see!! grin
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