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« Reply #720 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 7:49pm »

dang, it's a rough crowd in here!
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« Reply #721 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 7:51pm »

DrDill, you have fiercely misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wasn't in anyway telling people to stop trying to determine the nature of things. I'm simply noticing that the thread is slipping into the pattern of becoming unproductive.

And I'm not even coming close to trying to "shut you up". IF any action was subtly suggested, it is simply to redefine (or re-"focus" if you will) what we are trying to accomplish here and set out to accomplish it.

Don't take what I say so personally. I'm just as eager as the next guy to figure out what's going on here. Just trying to determine the best way to do so.
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« Reply #722 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 7:52pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:49pm, starsigndavid wrote:
dang, it's a rough crowd in here!

Depends on what you’re used to!! grin
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« Reply #723 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 7:55pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:45pm, onthefence55 wrote:
I'd like to see that list, when will it be ready?


Urantia, there are NO debunkers in this room because none of them have absolute proof that it is a hoax. Don't be confused by the word. The debunker is one that must have absolute proof, whereas the skeptic does not. What you are counting are skeptics, which aren't all skeptics either.
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« Reply #724 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 7:59pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:44pm, StayFocused wrote:
That's really lame - the old "oh you don't believe you must be a PTB employed debunker" argument. Nuff said.

When I look at the drone images, I see 3D model written all over them (as somebody who has done a fair bit of 3D modeling). The drones look like they were created in a 3D modeling package with heavy use of the lathe and rotation duplication tools. A lot of the details on the models just don't look very functional.


Then let me ask you this. Why are you here?
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« Reply #725 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:02pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:55pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Urantia, there are NO debunkers in this room because none of them have absolute proof that it is a hoax. Don't be confused by the word. The debunker is one that must have absolute proof, whereas the skeptic does not. What you are counting are skeptics, which aren't all skeptics either.
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I am half believer and half skeptic… that would make me Beleptic? rolleyes
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« Reply #726 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:06pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:51pm, meller wrote:
DrDill, you have fiercely misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wasn't in anyway telling people to stop trying to determine the nature of things. I'm simply noticing that the thread is slipping into the pattern of becoming unproductive.

And I'm not even coming close to trying to "shut you up". IF any action was subtly suggested, it is simply to redefine (or re-"focus" if you will) what we are trying to accomplish here and set out to accomplish it.

Don't take what I say so personally. I'm just as eager as the next guy to figure out what's going on here. Just trying to determine the best way to do so.

No problem, it was the
“So I ask. Since little has been happening in the drone scene, what is left to discuss here other than rambling about who's right and who's wrong?” question I was referring to.

I offered an answer,
“What about the hi-res Big Basin release just yesterday?” Seeing as you appear to have missed it.

And of course, “What is left to discuss here?”
I guess I (wrongly) assumed you were implying that there is nothing left to discuss here with this comment.

And honestly, it’s never personal… smiley
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« Reply #727 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:07pm »

No, you are his defender. Who has yet to get the point. You have, as he does, hijacked the thread to the SILLY CG argument. You don't have to be the infamous Salad just a co-worker for the paid debunkers. You have utterly know idea about the subject of CG. I would have thought you would have learned something from your Master. He must try harder with you. He should earn his pay.

He sent you here as he was told to do the minute the Hi Res Photo appeared. This gives away who you are and who you work for and what agenda you are rewarded to support.
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« Reply #728 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:11pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 5:31pm, bakosawa wrote:
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What is causing the parallel lines in the blue “feelers”?

Why isn’t this spike solid and straight (red arrow)?

Any ideas?


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« Reply #729 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:25pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 07:18am, wreckage wrote:
"...The large rings are indentical."

Not quite.

It is true that the comparison image is of the 'same' ring, but you would have noticed the obvious differences. Look again.

As you have no doubt noticed, there are eight 'sleeves' covering the ring on the BB craft, but only six on the 'inventory' image.

Cheers.


Actually in that picture you can't see them but they are there. Look at the Inventory review pic, you'll see them peeking over the "rim", it's not fully into position but they are there.
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« Reply #730 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:31pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:59pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Then let me ask you this. Why are you here?
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It's funny how whenever somebody states an opinion that goes against these drones being real we end up with a lot of labels being thrown around and angry responses. You might think my opinions are invalid but it's fine for the irrationally exuberant believers to throw around their "out of this world" opinions.

This all started with me defending Salad Fingers work as having some merit in the face of the tenuous claims made by Urantia. Get over it.

I'm not saying this is a definite hoax either. At this point there's not enough evidence either way.
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« Reply #731 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:33pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:11pm, bakosawa wrote:
No comments?


I'll bite.

I think you are pro-hoax, you should have stated so in your request. So, I think you are looking for confirmation that those vertical blue stripes are caused by improper CG aliasing of the image. If that was your goal, then I think aliasing cannot be the cause since it is not seen on any other edges.

Did you have something else in mind?

Since I am pro-real, I'll offer my opinion that those blue lines are caused from variations in light intensity falling on the spires due to shadows from the other spires around the ring.

Before you defend your position on being open minded or willing to accept either side. I'll ask you this -- Given the choice of putting any effort into analyzing this, would you rather spend time proving it a hoax or proving it real?

And don't tell me that your analysis is unbiased, I'm talking about the initial hypothesis to present the argument as you have with that photo.

I value your question as an analysis to prove this a hoax -- it gives me a chance to debate the other side, but I am getting a bit tired of people saying they are unbiased when deep down they have an agenda.
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« Reply #732 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:33pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:14pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
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I still don't get the RFI connection though. I know its a new creation of Alien Technology's but that was created some 20 years after Isaac left PACL and besides, using circuitry?


ATO:

Many of the products created by Alien Technology Inc. do not use circuity. The information and data are encoded in substrate materials.

Many of the things that Isaac talked about are used by Alien Technology Inc in their products. It is my opinion that the use of that name is no mere accident.

I don't think they picked that name just for fun.

If you don't get my connection between PARC and Alien Technology Inc., that's OK and it may be best to leave it at that for now.

A lot of people are mad as hell at me for making dubious connections. Sorry about that.


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« Reply #733 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:38pm »

I have one of "Chad's" Bakersfield, CA drone images as my work computer's desktop wallpaper. It has no annotations on it whatsoever, just the image. I work in a power plant and we have a number of engineers and fellow technicians who come into my area and see it. Sooner or later they'll notice it and ask.... "what the Hell is that!?" I can't even get through two sentences of explaining it before they're rolling their eyes.

The other reactions I get are from what Art Bell calls the "pixel people"... who point out that this is obviously a CGI creation because the lighting is wrong on this cluster of pixels, or a model superimposed on a real photo. The dozen or so eyewitness reports? 'They're kooks looking for their moment of fame on crackpot entertainment programs like Coast to Coast AM... 'that one has been seriously offered to me by three different people.

Out of the 50 to 60 people who've seen it and commented on it... not one of them has a genuine curiosity in the area that this may be real technology captured by the cameras. It's like they're all programmed to accept the most prosaic explanation, without any objective inquiry into the matter. The engineers are quicker to throw the B.S. flag on it than the technicians.

I don't know how representative this group is in gauging public perception of this phenomenon, but it has told me a lot about how powerful the fear of ridicule is for those who don't conform to conventional wisdom. These people consider me a kook because I haven't pronounced this a hoax, and started making fun of it with them.... it's truly sad sad

I'm not ready to make a definitive call on this issue by any stretch, but the more I research it, the more difficulty I have in calling it *all* a hoax, although it seems like there's some misinformation being infused into the scene to discredit it.
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« Reply #734 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:39pm »

hey all ;order, order the drones the crafts. now let us all calm down and get back to the task at hand. okay thank you all
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