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« Reply #735 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:47pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:53pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'm making a list of the debunkers on this thread.

Since yesterday and the release of the hi-res photo they have become shrill to the point of desperation.

Thats a good point. Shrill is also a good choice of words. I really like that although there is some squeeling in there too.
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« Reply #736 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 8:57pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Be careful what you think there. You don't know everything.
Actually nothing is what I know.
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« Reply #737 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:06pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:31pm, StayFocused wrote:
It's funny how whenever somebody states an opinion that goes against these drones being real we end up with a lot of labels being thrown around and angry responses. You might think my opinions are invalid but it's fine for the irrationally exuberant believers to throw around their "out of this world" opinions.

My comment had nothing to do with - who said what to whom. And it's not funny, it's rather tiring and it changes the air about the board and then arguments walk in right behind that.

Why are you here was my comment. The reason for it is because many of us are not going to quit what it is we are doing but we are growing tired of the opinions. The only thing we are looking for is more discovery or working on what we have already. We all had other plans in this thread still. Your opinionated comments are futile so why do you state them. They just cause arguments. And it's not that some take offense so much then it is their tired of hashing out the same things that were hashed out in the other two threads. Again, only based on opinion and we're way past such.

Many of us have been here since June 26th. If you had some kind of proof or discovery of your own then you should have brought it in. If you don't then I see no reason why you should aggravate everyone with words that essentially cause nothing but dissension.

I read all of your posts before I said what I did previously. There is not one iota of an attempt made by you to seek for anything whatsoever that has to do with the drones or Isaac. You have even tried to push more work off on me when you have done none yourself.

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OK, let's start spamming! Could somebody more familiar with the history of that image put together a template email for us to copy from?


So I must ask you again, why are you here?

The way, the following is the only thing you brought into the forum.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3349575&page=1
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« Reply #738 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:10pm »

Here is a positive idea.

Let us create another list (we all like lists, right?)

A list comprised of items we know to be TRUE regarding the drone case. The items can be anything relative to the drones. What can be stated that believers and skeptics alike would agree upon?

Don't laugh, think!
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« Reply #739 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:12pm »

It's funny how whenever somebody states an opinion that goes against these drones being real we end up with a lot of labels being thrown around and angry responses. You might think my opinions are invalid but it's fine for the irrationally exuberant believers to throw around their "out of this world" opinions.

This all started with me defending Salad Fingers work as having some merit in the face of the tenuous claims made by Urantia. Get over it.

I'm not saying this is a definite hoax either. At this point there's not enough evidence either way.

He taught you nothing of CG, but well in the psychological use of words and the propaganda like choice of phrases. Which you are using now to sway this site to one viewpoint, his and yours. You of course as he does skip the issues. He hat his fakes ready including animation set on an English military appearing backdrop before anyone could asses the original Drones. I might say that his Drones never looked even half as real as the "REAL ONES". I suspect that you are directed by someone else in your phraseology now. "Oh why get made with me if I am here to debunk and still the thread". You have no proof of anything just carefully and professionally crafted rhetoric designed to at least dilute the enthusiasm here. Your hope it to derail the work of these good people and subtlety convince them of a hoax of great complexity. Not with evidence, but with mouth. All here should look at the wasteland called OMF after this group arrived. Threads were wiped out at their provoking. This much attention by these type debunkers should arouse the attention of all who post here and they should ask as ATO did: WHY ARE YOU HERE?
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« Reply #740 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:13pm »

OK, I promise I won't use the word 'debunker' anymore. I'll just use the word 'skeptic.'

One word I might use is that this discussion has become 'polarized'.

I'll be very honest with everyone about my opinion.

I believe the Drones are real. What I see in the hi-res photos I consider to be a 'real' alien technology object.

I don't need any more 'proof'. Call me gullible but I don't need any other 'evidence'. If anyone disagrees that's fine with me.

I am not 'on the fence'.

I don't how I could be any more candid.

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« Reply #741 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:14pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:38pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
The other reactions I get are from what Art Bell calls the "pixel people"... who point out that this is obviously a CGI creation because the lighting is wrong on this cluster of pixels, or a model superimposed on a real photo. The dozen or so eyewitness reports? 'They're kooks looking for their moment of fame on crackpot entertainment programs like Coast to Coast AM... 'that one has been seriously offered to me by three different people.

You mean the UFO communities own disinformation department. There seems to be plenty of that lately.

More then anything, I see that they are not staying abreast and are only reading the articles such as LMH's and the UFO Casebook articles. They need to get into the forums is the problem but most of them won't do that. That's where the answers are. Instead, they've set a snowball affect rolling since so and so doesn't believe it, then I won't either because it's easier to do that then take the time to find out themself. In essence, none of them have researched it yet.

The forum members here and OMF know more then the the top ufologists do. And that's an absolute fact so how could they call it. Most of them called it back on June 26th so what does that tell us?

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« Reply #742 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:15pm »

Already this site is changing to this debunker's mind set. If you are not careful it will soon be just as irrelevant as OMF. Nothing but a course in how to fake a UFO and a programing tool to make all believe in that ridiculous supposition. Polarization is exactly what they want. Their opinion or none. Start a fight or anything to stop the investigation of this. Watch it work.
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« Reply #743 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:23pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:13pm, urantia606 wrote:
I'll be very honest with everyone about my opinion.

I believe the Drones are real. What I see in the hi-res photos I consider to be a 'real' alien technology object.
I think a majority would also if they were inclined to do the homework that this thread has done.
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« Reply #744 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:13pm, urantia606 wrote:
OK, I promise I won't use the word 'debunker' anymore. I'll just use the word 'skeptic.'


That's cool but I was serious about all of us getting in the habit of calling it what it is. I'm going to take a second here to define it more simply because we really do need to define what it is we're experiencing.

1. Debunker = has absolute proof of a hoax and we go do something else. We're done.

2. Lampoonist = An individual who has nothing but opinion or conjecture. Usually one that ridcules but also never brings discovery into the picture no matter if the discovery is on a positive or negative note.

3. Skeptic = One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity and does not settle for empirical evidence only.

4. !@#$%^& = We can't call them that in the forum but this would be our traditional one liner poster who states that it is a hoax without reading what's available and then leaves the forum never to be seen again.

What we have in these threads pretty much are all #2, lampooners or lampoonist.

Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism". Dr.Dil is also a healthy skeptic since he is not bias and will even point things out we know but do not state.

We have not had a debunker yet since we're still talking about Isaac and the drones.

And, I usually delete the post made by #4 since they are typically just childish pranks anyway.
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« Reply #745 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 8:38pm, OnlookerDelay wrote:
Out of the 50 to 60 people who've seen it and commented on it... not one of them has a genuine curiosity in the area that this may be real technology captured by the cameras. It's like they're all programmed to accept the most prosaic explanation, without any objective inquiry into the matter. The engineers are quicker to throw the B.S. flag on it than the technicians.

I don't know how representative this group is in gauging public perception of this phenomenon, but it has told me a lot about how powerful the fear of ridicule is for those who don't conform to conventional wisdom. These people consider me a kook because I haven't pronounced this a hoax, and started making fun of it with them.... it's truly sad sad

I'm not ready to make a definitive call on this issue by any stretch, but the more I research it, the more difficulty I have in calling it *all* a hoax, although it seems like there's some misinformation being infused into the scene to discredit it.


Good post! I posted a similar thought earlier.

The reason you got such a bad reaction is because you presented this in the worst possible place for two reasons. First it's public and second (and this only makes the first reason worse) it's at work. To have any hope of getting someones unbiased opinion on this subject you'll need to get to them in a private setting where they will be more receptive to expressing their true beliefs.

As pro believer as I am I would never bring this up at work. It would be career suicide. You definitely have more guts than me. But this gets to the main obstacle to disclosure. Public bias.
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« Reply #746 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:34pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's cool but I was serious about all of us getting in the habit of calling it what it is. I'm going to take a second here to define it more simply because we really do need to define what it is we're experiencing.

1. Debunker = has absolute proof of a hoax and we go do something else. We're done.

2. Lampoonist = An individual who has nothing but opinion or conjecture. Usually one that ridcules but also never brings discovery into the picture no matter if the discovery is on a positive or negative note.

3. Skeptic = One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity and does not settle for empirical evidence only.

4. !@#$%^& = We can't call them that in the forum but this would be our traditional one liner poster who states that it is a hoax without reading what's available and then leaves the forum never to be seen again.

What we have in these threads pretty much are all #2, lampooners or lampoonist.

Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism". Dr.Dil is also a healthy skeptic since he is not bias and will even point things out we know but do not state.

We have not had a debunker yet since we're still talking about Isaac and the drones.

And, I usually delete the post made by #4 since they are typically just childish pranks anyway.


ATO:

That's a great list and is reasonable but you left one out.

5. The Believer. His or her mind is made up based on the evidence they see and that has been presented.
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« Reply #747 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:36pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:43pm, DrDil wrote:
[b]What about the hi-res Big Basin release just yesterday?


That's today for us DrDil, you live in yesterday. It's only 10:30 ET here. lol
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« Reply #748 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:40pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 7:49pm, DrDil wrote:
I wouldn't bother, both Harry and Hermione get killed at the end and Hagrid is left incapacitated..........
(Before I get Potter'd - It's a joke!!!)


Major Harry Potter fan here and he's pulling your leg so don't believe him - but, in the new book I heard that one of the characters is date raped. I'm buying it tomorrow.
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« Reply #749 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:46pm »

The high resolution photos advance this to another level. The intricate and workable mechanisms are worth the study of an engineer. This photo now has a similarity with the Isaac info that is far stronger than before. Do you see in some cases parts of the object are being reflected in other parts as if mirror coated. This object is not just a CG Loons crafted idea, but a designed thing. To the ones that truly know what this is, continue to study this and the Diagrams even if you have to leave the site because of the static being introduced by the cult of salad. If you do study these, you will not be disappointed.
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