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« Reply #750 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 9:56pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's cool but I was serious about all of us getting in the habit of calling it what it is. I'm going to take a second here to define it more simply because we really do need to define what it is we're experiencing.

1. Debunker = has absolute proof of a hoax and we go do something else. We're done.

2. Lampoonist = An individual who has nothing but opinion or conjecture. Usually one that ridcules but also never brings discovery into the picture no matter if the discovery is on a positive or negative note.

3. Skeptic = One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity and does not settle for empirical evidence only.

4. !@#$%^& = We can't call them that in the forum but this would be our traditional one liner poster who states that it is a hoax without reading what's available and then leaves the forum never to be seen again.

What we have in these threads pretty much are all #2, lampooners or lampoonist.

Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism". Dr.Dil is also a healthy skeptic since he is not bias and will even point things out we know but do not state.

We have not had a debunker yet since we're still talking about Isaac and the drones.

And, I usually delete the post made by #4 since they are typically just childish pranks anyway.


This is a great list. I'm guessing the ideal in your opinion would be category 3 then?

The only problem is that most of the believers on this forum would fall into category 2.

On this forum you're in the clear if you're a lampoonist and a believer but if you're on the fence and a lampoonist then you're screwed.

Geez, it's starting to get confusing. Isn't all of this name calling a little bit juvenile?

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« Reply #751 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:10pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:56pm, StayFocused wrote:
The only problem is that most of the believers on this forum would fall into category 2.



StayFocused:

Some Believers may fall in the #2 slot but I do not.

I've brought a lot of information to this thread. As much or more than almost anyone has.
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« Reply #752 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:16pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism".


Hey.... I resemble that statement! grin grin grin

Well, you know that I do not adhere to the line of blind faith or irrational “debunking.” As a scientist, I have to agree with Stanton Friedman that exceptional claims must be backed with exceptional evidence. I deal with facts, not feelings (as in that is too complex to be a hoax or that looks too real). We have been fooled too many times… and before I pay $25 for a $2500 Rolex watch, I want to be sure there aren’t two Xs in the word Rolex.

If it is a Rolex, count me in. smiley
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« Reply #753 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:22pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:29pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
That's cool but I was serious about all of us getting in the habit of calling it what it is. I'm going to take a second here to define it more simply because we really do need to define what it is we're experiencing.

1. Debunker = has absolute proof of a hoax and we go do something else. We're done.

2. Lampoonist = An individual who has nothing but opinion or conjecture. Usually one that ridcules but also never brings discovery into the picture no matter if the discovery is on a positive or negative note.

3. Skeptic = One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity and does not settle for empirical evidence only.

4. !@#$%^& = We can't call them that in the forum but this would be our traditional one liner poster who states that it is a hoax without reading what's available and then leaves the forum never to be seen again.

What we have in these threads pretty much are all #2, lampooners or lampoonist.

Bakosawa is a skeptic. He's maybe ninny picking a little bit too much but just the same, you would term him a legitimate skeptic. He is totally welcome on any topic in this forum as long as he's still bringing in his pictures with questions since that is called "healthy skepticism". Dr.Dil is also a healthy skeptic since he is not bias and will even point things out we know but do not state.

We have not had a debunker yet since we're still talking about Isaac and the drones.

And, I usually delete the post made by #4 since they are typically just childish pranks anyway.


Where do I fit in? Can I at least be a timid skeptic?
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« Reply #754 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:31pm »

Hi, this is my first post ever so please be kind.

huh The pic of the language anaiysis has, I assume, Issac's hand writting on it. Don't they have ways to match that up with former PACL employees? If they do, Issac might want to black out anymore out in the future.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2007/pacl-lang-analysis-p119-fullsize.jpg

Thanks for letting me in and I hope Issac is OK.
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« Reply #755 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:35pm »

Someone complained earlier that "every four hours" I mention the need for follow up from LMH, C2C, etc. Not sure if it's time yet, or why this irritates them so much, but let me clarify -

When you profess to be a voice for the UFO community, and you in fact make your living as such, then you have a responsibility to that community. This is arguably the hottest story regarding potential contact and disclosure that we've seen in a long while. For these two high profile individuals to issue no follow up stories, statements, or updates, is ridiculous - without a very solid reason. It's that reason that I'd like an answer for. In our little corner of the UFO universe, this silence is akin to Wolf Blitzer not mentioning Iraq during his newscast. This story is powerful, it came to LMH and C2C first, it's on fire - and they seem to be distancing themselves from it - why? That is my concern.

On Saladfingers - this talented fellow proved his point ages ago - that using GCI technology he can REcreate something that closely resembles some thing that someone else created. He has now, however, moved into the arena of self promotion. The worst part of having his REcreations all over the internet is that those individuals who are just starting to research this and aren't familiar with the Saladfingers Saga are being mislead into thinking that the originals are absolutely CGI. This is not the case. While I respect his abilities, I question his judgment - if not his motives - as he is continuing to crank out drone "artwork". That's not called research, that's called advertising.

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« Reply #756 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:37pm »

This is a great list. I'm guessing the ideal in your opinion would be category 3 then?

The only problem is that most of the believers on this forum would fall into category 2.

On this forum you're in the clear if you're a lampoonist and a believer but if you're on the fence and a lampoonist then you're screwed.

Geez, it's starting to get confusing. Isn't all of this name calling a little bit juvenile?

You should know since you are taking the forum further and further away from the point.

Using the word juvenile, plants the idea that any one that disagrees with you is not to be taken seriously. Clever, but only for the weaker ones. You need to go back and get a new phrase or two. Geez, indicating some degree of youth and therefore " cut me some slack dude" I really want to understand, but come on you know this is a hoax. The use of the word hoax to implant the concept and draw the attention away from the reality of the subject. Your agenda is juvenile and is the same one used on OMF to dilute their study of the drones. Where is the definite CG true copy of these objects if they are just CG. They have not been produced by your saladman. You have no proof, but the believers here have much. Your job is to convince them they have none and you and your kind have the truth. You do not have this and you are not capable of having it and that is the truth. Now you try to gain sympathy for the poor defamed defamer.
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« Reply #757 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:38pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:15pm, leviathan6 wrote:
Already this site is changing to this debunker's mind set. If you are not careful it will soon be just as irrelevant as OMF. Nothing but a course in how to fake a UFO and a programing tool to make all believe in that ridiculous supposition. Polarization is exactly what they want. Their opinion or none. Start a fight or anything to stop the investigation of this. Watch it work.


It won't go on much longer. They get burnout and run out of things to say anyway without repeating themself. Not to mention, I would never let that happen. I let it run it's course, they leave and we go back at it.

I posted something in OMF and was immediately hit on by five lampoonist and have a real good taste of what to expect there. Besides that, I spent about six months in the Unexplained Mysteries forum.

I know what it's like in those other forums and I will never allow this forum to experience such. Never to that degree. BJ knows very well how I feel about unhealthy skepticism. It's a waste of our time and only causes dissention.

What happens is members get frustrated and leave our forum. Well, that was because of the lampoonist and the unhealthy skeptic, not the other members.

They have no right to force our members to leave. Consequently, it won't happen on my watch and I'll make sure that they leave first.
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« Reply #758 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:45pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:22pm, GForce wrote:
Where do I fit in? Can I at least be a timid skeptic?


The same place I do, as a member of the UFO Casebook that weighs everything and never uses the words believe. lol That's about all I can come up with.

Essentially, we're none of the above.
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« Reply #759 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:52pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:35pm, MarkM wrote:
Someone complained earlier that "every four hours" I mention the need for follow up from LMH, C2C, etc. Not sure if it's time yet, or why this irritates them so much, but let me clarify -

When you profess to be a voice for the UFO community, and you in fact make your living as such, then you have a responsibility to that community. This is arguably the hottest story regarding potential contact and disclosure that we've seen in a long while. For these two high profile individuals to issue no follow up stories, statements, or updates, is ridiculous - without a very solid reason. It's that reason that I'd like an answer for. In our little corner of the UFO universe, this silence is akin to Wolf Blitzer not mentioning Iraq during his newscast. This story is powerful, it came to LMH and C2C first, it's on fire - and they seem to be distancing themselves from it - why? That is my concern.


Mark!!!

I was waiting for your 'concern' post. You were about 30 minutes late this time. No problem. Even airplanes are late.

All kidding aside your posts are always thoughtful and a pleasure to read.

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« Reply #760 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 11:02pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:52pm, urantia606 wrote:
Mark!!!

I was waiting for your 'concern' post. You were about 30 minutes late this time. No problem. Even airplanes are late.

All kidding aside your posts are always thoughtful and a pleasure to read.



LOL! I broke down and took my "drone-widow" wife out to dinner smiley!
We made the mistake of just running into WalMart. I have a mystery far deeper than the drones - how does one come out of there with two small plastic bags and $79 poorer?!
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« Reply #761 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 11:05pm »

I get a strange feeling that this thread is being deluged by planted skeptics all of a sudden.

Especially after LMH sent us the hi-res photo yesterday.

I have no proof...just a hunch.

Caution is advised.
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« Reply #762 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 11:05pm »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:52pm, urantia606 wrote:
All kidding aside your posts are always thoughtful and a pleasure to read.


As are yours, my friend smiley
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« Reply #763 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 11:12pm »

A debunker or skeptic is in most cases unnecessary to an exploration set to find the truth or at least a reason. A open minded person will self correct and a skeptic by the very term is not open minded. Their pleasure comes from projecting their one-sided opinion on others and making others their disciples. I have not come to a conclusion on this, but I have learned from it. So I come away no matter what with something of worth. A skeptic comes away with a warm cozy feeling and nothing else. Notice how a skeptic always in clear or subtle ways infers that anyone else is inferior. This in itself is nothing but egotism and helps no one.
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« Reply #764 on: Jul 20th, 2007, 11:17pm »

People I didn't even have to think about this very hard to discredit him.
Now you have made up your mind, so I will not waste my time trying to change it, because I do not care what you think as you do not have to care what I think. I have profited from this and I will more, if you can not do not expect me to come to your way of thinking because you command it. Go your way and do your thing. It effects me in no way.
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