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« Reply #810 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 10:29am »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:20am, B J Booth wrote:
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The new high resolution picture of this object has some unusual "fixes". I have attached a greyscale negative image of the second picture. Notice the ligher grey areas in the picture that don't show up in the normal image. They suggest that a clone brush has been
used to paint out areas of the picture.

If the picture was unretouched, none of that would appear. I think if there is any evidence of retouching, the picture is suspect.

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Hi dave and welcome........

Could you explain what you mean by 'fixes' and 'clone brush'?

And what would be the purpose of such changes....what would be accomplished?
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« Reply #811 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 10:31am »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:29am, urantia606 wrote:
Hi dave and welcome........

Could you explain what you mean by 'fixes' and 'clone brush'?

And what would be the purpose of such changes....what would be accomplished?


Urantia, that was BJ posting that picture for Dave who sent it to BJ in the email he was referring to. Dave's not here.

I sound like Cheech and Chong. LOL

DAVE'S NOT HERE lol
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« Reply #812 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 10:33am »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:31am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Urantia, that was BJ posting that picture for Dave who sent it to BJ in the email he was referring to. Dave's not here.

I sound like Cheech and Chong. LOL

DAVE'S NOT HERE lol


Ok, thanks ...I understand now.
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« Reply #813 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 10:44am »


I wish Dave was more specific as to the lighter grey areas. I know what but I don't know where he's talking about. Since he did say "notice the lighter grey areas" then we need to look at the "darkest areas" on the original picture. That much I've done but I still don't see a difference.
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« Reply #814 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 10:47am »

Could you elaborate further BJ?

Does your source mean it is actually there in the sky and has been retouched, or it’s originally a CGI image that has been retouched?

Does this suggest that the parts that aren’t light grey are genuine, or is it the fact that it’s been retouched at all the issue?

Aren’t the light grey areas merely the areas that were previously darkened in the original image, or am I missing something?

WIKI: A negative image is a tonal inversion of a positive image, in which light areas appear dark and vice versa.

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Incidentally I wholeheartedly agree with expressing caution regarding the, “Drone” images.
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« Reply #815 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 10:55am »

BJ - as someone that works extensively with Photoshop and is very familiar with both the clone tool and inversion mode (negative), I admit to being at a loss for how this person made the determination. I inverted the original hi res (so that I would have a pure image) and examined that . I also overlaid mine with the one you received (which had been rescaled). There was nothing that jumped out at me.

Why would a touch up be needed using the clone tool if this were straight CGI? Why would it be needed if it's a model photo? Why go to such extremes for authenticity and accurate lighting only the mess with the pixels and risk discovery.

Of far more concern to me has been the ease with which an image could be dropped into a featureless sky. Of all photos - this one always raised an eyebrow for me. It is also proving to be the most captivating one!

I would need a lot more info from Dave - more specific comments and his background, area of expertise that qualifies him to offer this analysis with confidence.
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« Reply #816 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:55am, MarkM wrote:
Of far more concern to me has been the ease with which an image could be dropped into a featureless sky. Of all photos - this one always raised an eyebrow for me. It is also proving to be the most captivating one!

Yeah, I was quite shocked a little while ago when I wanted to edit the trees out of the Big Basin Hi-Res image, so I drew a little box and when using the fill tool I didn’t bother using the original background as a sample, but instead just chose white.
THE RESULTING FILL WAS UN-NOTICEABLE!!
I know we recently discussed smog and pollution etc. But for it to be a perfect, “Photoshop white,” I feel is stretching reality a little too far.

Welcome to my world MarkM grin
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« Reply #817 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am »

on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:30pm, starsigndavid wrote:
Agitators only succeed if we let them. WHEN, and ONLY when, they have invested the time by reading all that has come before in the thread, may they ask questions. I feel like a cow--chewing the same cud over and over and over. It's deja vu all over again! wink


I just try to ignore them.
You cannot reason with a sherm.....it is better to turn to them a deaf ear for their purpose is not research and discovery. Their world is filled with fear and paranoia of something bigger than of all of us, that we are not the only and all powerful beings in the Universe that our spiritual leaders have led them to believe.
Fear is the mindkiller.
A closed mind cannot be opened.............and any force induced to do so usually ends in the total destruction of the head.............making quite a mess of things.
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« Reply #818 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am »

According to the Drone Sightings History LMH received a dozen prints from Ty in the mail.

THE TY/BIG BASIN DRONE REPORT:
Linda Moulton Howe initially received an email on June 11 stating,
In yesterday's post office mail, I received twelve more images of the latest, more
menacing-looking dragonfly-shaped aerial "drone," along with a letter mailed on June
11, 2007, from an eyewitness named Ty. He had also emailed me on June 11, telling
me that he was sending photographs he had taken while bicycling with a group of
riders near Saratoga, California, in Big Basin. Ty said the cycling group saw the
bizarre aerial object three times on June 5, 2007.
He said in his email that he was surprised to see at Earthfiles the images allegedly
taken by someone named "Stephen" that showed the same object Ty and his friends
watched appear and disappear also on June 5, 2007, and that Ty photographed.
Here are the twelve printed photographs I received in the mail and scanned in
Photoshop, sized to 72dpi, 7 inches wide and added very slight enhancement in a few
for more clarity
. The aerial object is rotating through the sequence of images.


So, the odd blue borders and intensity modulations pointed out by Bakosawa may have been introduced by the person who did the enhancements. Do we know if these enhancements were also done to the recently released High Res image? Also, unless someone knows differently, the High Res images and Low Res images originate from the same printed photographs. The color artifacts may have been introduced by the method the originals were printed by Ty. Did Ty use a digital or film camera?

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« Reply #819 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:06am »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am, Nodnunk wrote:
Do we know if these enhancements were also done to the recently released High Res image? Also, unless someone knows differently, the High Res images and Low Res images originate from the same printed photographs. The color artifacts may have been introduced by the method the originals were printed by Ty. Did Ty use a digital or film camera?

THE TY/BIG BASIN DRONE SIGHTING

DATE OF POST – NAME OF REPORTER:
June 16th, 2007
Posted by, “Ty”

SIGHTING LOCATION:
Big Basin, California

POSTED AT:
Earthfiles URL: “http://earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1270&category=Environment

NUMBER OF PHOTOGRAPHS - DATE PHOTOGRAPHED:
12 Photographs - June 5th, 2007

CAMERA TYPE - ARE IMAGES SCANS?
Unknown – Linda Moulton Howe received prints then scanned them.

DRONE / CRAFT TYPE:The, “Ty/Big Basin” Drone identical to the “Stephen/Big Basin” i.e. craft had five arms, one of the arms was significantly longer than the others. It also had five rings as well as the new elements and protrusions visible on the, “Stephen/Big Basin” Drone.
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« Reply #820 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:09am »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 08:33am, Nodnunk wrote:
I was thinking about the tag line Starsigndavid attaches to his posts:

Only by arrogance and ignorance does Man believe He is alone in the Cosmos.

May I offer the following thoughts. According to our own home grown Earthside astrophysics, it has been 13.7 billion years since the Big Bang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

Our Sun and the solar system were formed about 4.6 billion years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_system#Formation

We humans (Homo sapiens) have been around only about 200,000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

The time from the Big Bang until the formation of our Sun was about 9.1 billion years. Just about twice the 4.6 billion years it took the Earth to evolve to the present day. What kinds evolution could have been happening elsewhere during those 9 billion years, before our Sun even formed? Then add to that the 4.6 billion minus 200,000 years to reach the dawn of Man as we know him. Lots of time for several early technological civilizations to colonize the galaxy. The conclusion of this exercise is to realize that ET's may be more than a few thousand years ahead of us techonolgically, they may be billions of years ahead.


And to think that all of that is lost with Buzz Aldrin. his parting words were so...........useless coming from someone that has looked out at the Stars.....back in time.
On the Galactic level we're in diapers
That's why the Tolan didn't want to give us weapons........oh, that's not real LOL.
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« Reply #821 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:09am »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:01am, LangLee wrote:
Their world is filled with fear and paranoia of something bigger than of all of us, that we are not the only and all powerful beings in the Universe that our spiritual leaders have led them to believe.
Fear is the mindkiller

So are you implying that everyone who doesn’t believe in UFO’s is religious?

EDIT: Just ignore that, I realised you said OUR religious leaders, I thought you meant theirs.
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« Reply #822 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:14am »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 10:20am, B J Booth wrote:
[color=orange]The new high resolution picture of this object has some unusual "fixes". I have attached a greyscale negative image of the second picture. Notice the ligher grey areas in the picture that don't show up in the normal image. They suggest that a clone brush has been used to paint out areas of the picture.

If the picture was unretouched, none of that would appear. I think if there is any evidence of retouching, the picture is suspect.

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Dave, please come on the forum and explain better. I see no gray that does not belong. Please highlight the exact areas that you are questioning.

Please teach us about your clone brush detection method, because I cannot see how comparing the picture to itself indicates tampering.

You have simply changed the contrast by inverting the color. Since the entire shot is overexposed -- it is difficult to see differences in the bright areas using your eyes, so it is necessary to adjust some levels. And, changing the contrast may show something upon closer examination, but I cannot see that in the huge picture you submitted, you'll have to zoom in for me to see that.
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« Reply #823 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:21am »

OTF, I always thought when looking at the original (lo-res) Big Basin pictures that this strut (for want of a better word) was actually on the top of the main paddle, but since the release of the hi-res version it appears that it’s on the side and may not even be attached to the paddle but rather the main ring.

(The lo-res is top image.)
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I also believe that it’s exclusive to the Big Basin images and can’t figure out its actual position or even hazard a guess at a possible use.

And here’s another one, maybes this is to hold the two smaller rings in place? But if that was the case then why are the sections that link the much larger rings a great deal smaller than this.

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After looking at the image for quite a while I still can’t discern if it has nothing to do with the two smaller rings, or if is it attached to the outer of the small rings or both of them?

Any suggestions?
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« Reply #824 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 11:21am »

Nice new resolution Photo! I don't have time to read all your discussions here but I noticed that the EXIF-Date of that new image is 06/22/2007 7:22:32, though. When did she scan it?
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