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« Reply #870 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 4:33pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 3:22pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
In Ancient Egyptian Religion, Apophis was a snake-god or demon of the underworld, symbolizing chaos, evil, darkness and non-existence. Apophis appear to have been introduced during the Middle Kingdom, there are no sources of his before this period.

So I guess we can now say that ancient religion was designed into the meteor based on the name that was chosen for it. It certainly symbolizes evil, darkness and of course non-existence.
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Here is your snake-god of the underworld ATO, just kidding, but when I first saw the close up of the new Highres picturer, I saw a snake (not a panda), Then I thougt that this is not a good sign shocked

But when I look at the old close up of the TY ii BB picture... there is no snake to see, that is good, or maybe not?

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The snake head is turned! two different setup?

EDIT: corrected to "TY ii" picture instead of "first BB picture"
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« Reply #871 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 4:35pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 4:17pm, onthefence55 wrote:
I have not commented on the parts that I have no comment on. That sounds like a Bushism smiley


Ha ha! cheesy

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« Reply #872 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 4:55pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 4:29pm, MarkM wrote:
OK, I'm not an engineer so this is just a thought about the "insides" in relation to what we know:

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....hmmmmmm, VERY interesting, and I bet correct, too!
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« Reply #873 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:02pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 4:08pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Seek and ye shall find smiley

A Google image search for: "overexposed white sky" turned up these..............

Also of importance was the note of LMH saying that someone "adjusted" the images for clarity. That's a shame, since it rendered these images only useful beauty and not scientific study.


Touché (again!!) digital imagery is definitely my weak point, but I’m slowly learning. That’s probably why I couldn’t find the image as I didn’t really know what I was searching for. Looks like all I have (for now!!) is the <slim> chance that the second image LMH sent wasn’t adjusted as LMH said she, “Received in the mail and scanned in Photoshop, sized to 72dpi, 7 inches wide.”

I’m assuming by this she means the image had to be scanned again to send the hi-res image, so if she didn’t, “Tweak” the second image would that make it suitable for study or would the scanner process ruin this chance as well?

She seems to have taken the earlier criticisms on board and sent the hi-res image in the .bmp format, which again would suggest that the image was re-scanned, and if she made sure not to use a, “lossy” format surely she knows better than to adjust/sharpen the image.

That and the fact that the images were sent snail mail, which could suggest that it wasn’t a digital camera that was used, otherwise email would be easier and Ty obviously isn’t a technophobe as he is aware of LMH’s site and, “He said in his email that he was surprised to see at Earthfiles the images allegedly taken by someone named "Stephen" that showed the same object.”

So he has access to email and the letter he sent was a printout as LMH scanned this as well. So again, if this was the case would this make studying the image any easier? Although this may be a moot point as if Ty had the negatives then I feel he would have included a couple to further authenticate his sighting, damn I’m answering my own queries now!! Also after he initially seen it he kept the camera on his wrist so he could photograph it, which I suppose is only practical (when mountain biking) if it was in fact a digital camera.

And there’s something else that bothers me which I feel only Ty can answer, the fact that he said, “The images allegedly taken by someone named “Stephen.’”
Which at the time (and still does) ring alarm bells as if Ty witnessed a very similar Drone, in the same area and only one day before Stephen why would he use the word, “Allegedly” especially if he expects his images to be accepted as fact, however this is I suppose a minor quibble at best.

But while we’re on the subject of the Stephen images, I noticed that in your examples of an "Overexposed white sky" that the entire sky is white, where as in the Stephen images it only appears to be white in the area immediately surrounding the Drone, yet the area around the trees appear with a blue sky. This also appears to be the case with the image that is almost blurred into insignificance. As I say this is really, “Amateur hour” as I don’t have the experience with digital images to be able to state anything conclusively which is why I tend to focus on the, “Written word” as it were!!

Again, something only Ty can answer but I found it strange how informal and friendly his entire letter was that he didn’t sign off at the end. It just ended abruptly. So I’m assuming the images and letter were sent with no form of identification, unless a cover letter was included which LMH surreptitiously felt the need to exclude.

Still, it seems quite a few loose ends are being tied up and for that I thank you!!
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« Reply #874 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:11pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 2:59pm, DrDil wrote:
To draw an exact correlation as suggested by Isaac could one not assume that the actual A1 device (i.e. the two-segment cylindrical core/with needle like appendages) is the body of the BB Drone,
This is my point from the other day. The design characteristic of A1 is present in the cylindrical core of the BB drone (section just above the lower cage.)
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« Reply #875 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:20pm »

If photographic evidence could ever be THE tool to trigger disclosure then this whole drone thing would already be zapping through all news channels over the world.
But it does not. What other, even more convincing pictures do you expect? This senseless hoax VS. real discussions are so inefficient because EVERYTHING can be faked. I think sitting on the fence is not a good idea because it means absolute standstill...
I have chosen to believe this drone thing is real. And I think the photos are not the important factor.. the witnesses, LMH and C2C are the key players right now.... right? I mean... photos are worthless for those everlasting positivistic thinkers and I am also sick of hearing that "witness accounts are sooo unreliable blabla.." I mean.. people get "legally" executed because of witness accounts. I really hate such bad argumentation. It´s the witnesses. They have to come forward, their word can be examined for truth or lie.


By the way.. if the BB drone is a CGI thing.. it is the best job I have ever seen. ILM would look like a bunch of kindergartners when THIS guy shows his skills. If someone is faking and orchestrating this whole drone thing just for fun or some minor payoff then this guy has absolutely NO life besides his monstrous rendering machine and countless months of solitude and no sleep.
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« Reply #876 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:25pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 5:02pm, DrDil wrote:
<many other comments removed>

She seems to have taken the earlier criticisms on board and sent the hi-res image in the .bmp format, which again would suggest that the image was re-scanned, and if she made sure not to use a, “lossy” format surely she knows better than to adjust/sharpen the image.


Once again I will not comment on what I can not comment on smiley

Where did you get the .bmp image from? I got a 2.3MB JPG from OMF.

Anyway, I don't think there is any way to determine what level of JPEG compression was used on that image.

Interestingly as someone else pointed out here, the EXIF data on the scanned images shows that the first set were done on June 16 and the most recent one that we just received was done on June 22 (more than three weeks before the reset of the world got to see it).

2007:06:16 22:38:20 DroneBigBasinTy060507aa.jpg
2007:06:16 22:47:47 DroneBigBasinTy060507bb.jpg
2007:06:16 22:52:33 DroneBigBasinTy060507cc.jpg
2007:06:16 22:49:50 DroneBigBasinTy060507dd.jpg
2007:06:16 22:43:14 DroneBigBasinTy060507ee.jpg
2007:06:16 22:54:34 DroneBigBasinTy060507ff.jpg
2007:06:16 22:40:57 DroneBigBasinTy060507gg.jpg
2007:06:16 22:44:44 DroneBigBasinTy060507hh.jpg
2007:06:16 23:05:26 DroneBigBasinTy060507ii.jpg
2007:06:16 23:03:00 DroneBigBasinTy060507jj.jpg
2007:06:16 23:00:30 DroneBigBasinTy060507kk.jpg
2007:06:16 22:58:17 DroneBigBasinTy060507ll.jpg

2007:06:22 19:22:32 DroneBigBasin1Ty1200Cropped.jpg



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« Reply #877 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:42pm »

This threshold test is the only way to determine if all pixels are at maximum value of 255 like in the Ty images. -- onthefence55

Comment: If you have Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw, or equivalent, you can use the eye dropper tool to sample the RGB values for any place in an image.
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« Reply #878 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:47pm »

The placement of Isaac's device in the BB Drone is very good. Good graphic thinking. I can not say that my mind is made up because I do not know, but the effort in the BB Drone is wonderful. I do not believe my home computer is capable of letting me work with a model of this high a mesh count. If some of the detail comes from a bump map, then the bump map alone is a work of art. Either real or a wonderful work by a true talent. I do not know which.
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« Reply #879 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:49pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:34am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Bakosawa, I am so surprised that you didn't notice that your panda was being head butted by a goat.


To be fair… the panda was pointed out earlier in the thread with a panda photo to go with it. I can not claim this discovery. I just added seeing the cubs to the right, since to me it looks like two cubs are following (but we are back into the inkblot zone again).

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on Jul 21st, 2007, 4:29pm, MarkM wrote:
OK, I'm not an engineer so this is just a thought about the "insides" in relation to what we know:

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An interesting idea... but then how do the rest of these craft fly? I have been trying to figure out any link to the anti-grav drive and the drones... but see not.

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Where does it fit?
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« Reply #880 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:51pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 5:11pm, AgentM wrote:
This is my point from the other day. The design characteristic of A1 is present in the cylindrical core of the BB drone (section just above the lower cage.)

Yes I understand that but you can’t have it all ways, Ty said, "All I know is it was really, really big" yet the Isaac document says “1 foot & 2.2. inches in length and 8.3 inches in diameter.”

And as for, “Design characteristic” that’s evasive, as Isaac says it’s a two segmented cylindrical core and that both core segments feature a triangular array of three arms, and that’s before you attempt to factor A1 & A2 in the equation.
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« Reply #881 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:54pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 5:42pm, Nodnunk wrote:
Comment: If you have Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw, or equivalent, you can use the eye dropper tool to sample the RGB values for any place in an image.


I use THE GIMP which also has the eye dropper tool, however, that is a very tedious method to analyze all pixels. I'm pretty sure that Photoshop allows thresholding which can be used to get the maximum pixel level for the entire image.
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« Reply #882 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 5:56pm »

on Jul 21st, 2007, 5:20pm, kirog wrote:
By the way.. if the BB drone is a CGI thing.. it is the best job I have ever seen.

Better than this ?
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« Reply #883 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 6:02pm »

What if the BB drone was like a charging station of some sort for the smaller models? They dock, charge, and release. Most of the components - spikes, fin, etc. - seem interchangeable. The rings range in size but are pretty consistent. Rotating the flaps or panels around the rings on some inner track (in response to a command) seems like a possibility. Perhaps that hook that we were wondering about is the docking point for the "tail". Just wondering out loud here, guys.
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« Reply #884 on: Jul 21st, 2007, 6:07pm »

The BMW is from a scan of the original car and is not a hand worked model. If the BB drone was done this way, it would still require a real model of the craft. This would be a work of art in its on right. Movie effects often use a scan of a model, because it bypasses computer modeling. The lighting is from an HDRI.
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