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« Reply #975 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:26pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:10pm, Latitude wrote:
Dave has no special skills that make him an expert on this case. I think in this case his PhD is irrelevant. He seems to come at this like so many other uninformed lurkers. He even speaks of a video which is no doubt from Saladfingers and has been proved to be disinfo.

Sorry, only my opinion. No disrespect intended.


He presented all he needed to present though Latitude. His profession doesn't matter.

We must all question his discovery, which I imagine OnTheFence is busy doing right now.

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« Reply #976 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:28pm »

I have what may seem like a stupid question, but I must ask it anyway. So many posters say they can't wait for that 'perfect photo" of a craft; we hear this from people like Shermer, too, on that Larry King show last week.
Just what does 'perfect photo' mean? Would we even know it if we saw it. Might not the drone pics be 'the perfect photo'? I guess I just don't understand what standards are applied to photographic evidence and what TYPE of photo would pass muster among everyone. Please try to enlighten stupid me!
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« Reply #977 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:30pm »

What does a PHD have to do with this? Also a computer program can cause many different artifacts to show up. Now someone has to explain the artifacts!!! My answer is simple if you don't believe it then don't believe it. I have knowledge of CG and I want to see the original D model and then sign up to take a class from this hoaxer on CG, if it is CG. I do not know which it is real or fake, but I know what it would take to make a fake, because I am trying to do that. Arrogance is without doubt the fatal flaw of the human species.
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« Reply #978 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:33pm »

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I am only seeing:
R=255
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B=255

For all of the background... with gamma turn down, I see no patterns.
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« Reply #979 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:34pm »

What you don't understand is human nature and the desire to be right at all costs so the ego and individual paradigm survives. I could not care less about being right as long as I learn something. In trying to fake this drone, I have improved my skills and learned more about my software. I am ahead from this event no matter what.
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« Reply #980 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:36pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:30pm, leviathan6 wrote:
What does a PHD have to do with this


His profession is not an issue. He has presented something that needs taking a look at, which I imagine OnTheFence is working on and others could be as well.

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Also a computer program can cause many different artifacts to show up. Now someone has to explain the artifacts!!!


Then this needs to be shown or explained then.

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My answer is simple if you don't believe it then don't believe it.


It is everybody's right not to believe something especially if they have some type of discovery to the contrary.
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« Reply #981 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:36pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:30pm, leviathan6 wrote:
My answer is simple if you don't believe it then don't believe it. I do not know which it is real or fake, but I know what it would take to make a fake, because I am trying to do that. Arrogance is without doubt the fatal flaw of the human species.


This is a great post to follow-up on my question just posed. What, if anything, will skeptics believe(short of that landing on the White House lawn) of a photographic nature? If the answer to that question is that NO photo will EVER satisfy, then so be it--at least that is an honest answer.
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« Reply #982 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:47pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:28pm, starsigndavid wrote:
I have what may seem like a stupid question, but I must ask it anyway. So many posters say they can't wait for that 'perfect photo" of a craft; we hear this from people like Shermer, too, on that Larry King show last week.
Just what does 'perfect photo' mean? Would we even know it if we saw it. Might not the drone pics be 'the perfect photo'? I guess I just don't understand what standards are applied to photographic evidence and what TYPE of photo would pass muster among everyone. Please try to enlighten stupid me!


Very good point. I would submit that when that "perfect photo" does appear then they will say something like, "nah, too good to be true". It's only a way to maintain they're concept of reality.

Many people say they believe life exists out there somewhere but when it actually presents itself they can't bring themselves to accept it. I think they are more content with an imaginary concept about it than the reality.

In Schermer's case it's probably a lie. It's all part of his job description. He must appear open minded but must at all costs deny anything the opposition presents.
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« Reply #983 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:52pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:47pm, Latitude wrote:
Very good point. I would submit that when that "perfect photo" does appear then they will say something like, "nah, too good to be true". It's only a way to maintain they're concept of reality.
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YES! That seems to me so true. I hear the skeptics always yapping about fuzzy, grainy photos; now, with something a lot clearer and sharper, the outcry is against a NON-fuzzy, NON-grainy photo. I get so confused! I know the photos MUST be analyzed and scoured over, but once that is done, there STILL emerges no consensus on their value!
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« Reply #984 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:59pm »

This complaint has come up before in this forum. Those boxes in "Dave's" submission are likely artifacts of the JPG compression algorithm. Notice they are around the trees in the lower right corner too. Since the sky is all white, the compression algorithm says "there follows xxx pixels of R=255, G=255, B=255". When it gets to some pixels not white, it does other stuff. If you want to know more see for example-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact

Anyway, we do not know enough about how Ty originally printed the photos he sent to LMH. So it is not possible to say when the compression was introduced.

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« Reply #985 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:59pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 10:58am, DrDil wrote:
If that was the case, then as I’ve mentioned before why would they need to be connected to the main body?

If the curved pieces were indeed part of the rings, then why use the altogether, “Human” way of connecting them with brackets.

The image I am trying to convey is that A1 may be the core of the main body of the BB drone and A2 and A3 are located on all of its adjoining rings.

As for the connecting with brackets. My opinion is the "brackets" are not for connection as in a trailer hitch, rather as mentioned already by this thread, some type of unit for exchange. Just my ideas for the sake of good discussion and in no way intended to persuade others.
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« Reply #986 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 3:09pm »

I have never mentioned my profession nor anything about myself because what does that prove or disprove. When someone does, I question their agenda. That is my nature. Also I have said that I do not know what this is, but because I am actively, after a fashion, working on a CG version, I am learning how difficult it is to do. My level of expertise is my business, it is what I prove or produce that could help here not who I am, what I am, what I have been taught, but what I show you I can do. It should be plain to see that I do not mind saying I have failed. I would like this to be true, but I do not know and neither do the skeptics know. Nor do most of them try to know.
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« Reply #987 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 3:10pm »

I have to disagree with the assertion that someones background is not relevant to the "evidence" that they present. It's extremely relevant to their credibility, that's why lawyers call in experts to testify in trials.

In reading Daves email to BJ he clearly states that he is not a participating member of this forum. So, it's no surprise that he has not read the opinions of those members here, and on OM, that are professionals at photo analysis. In addition, as far as I know the only drone video that exists states that it is a CGI simulation.

I'm sorry, this is not someone who has truly studied the evolution of this "event". No mention of eyewitness testimony either. But, then again, to many people this case begins and ends with the pictures. This simply is not the case.

I'm not an expert in dentistry, I doubt that my opinion on a root canal would count for much against that of a practicing dentist!

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« Reply #988 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 3:11pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:59pm, AgentM wrote:
The image I am trying to convey is that A1 may be the core of the main body of the BB drone and A2 and A3 are located on all of its adjoining rings.

As for the connecting with brackets. My opinion is the "brackets" are not for connection as in a trailer hitch, rather as mentioned already by this thread, some type of unit for exchange. Just my ideas for the sake of good discussion and in no way intended to persuade others.


I was well aware of that and told you why I didn’t feel this was the case, if it is the same technology why doesn’t this, “Exchange” need to also be there in the Isaac documents, or perhaps the drone is not using the device as intended, i.e. in a Rigid Spatial Relationship.

In the document it states, “Research on the internal functionality of A1 began late in Q4-86, and as such, little is currently known.”

From what Isaac has told us this means, literally the fourth quarter of 1986 (October to December.) So I feel we can safely assume that “Q3-85 Inventory Review” means July to September in 1985. More than a year before Isaac and his team were even presented with the antigravity generator, yet this has been glossed over as it’s a major inconvenience in trying to reconcile the documents with the Big Basin Drone sightings.

And instead everyone has accepted as fact the concept of the antigravity generator being linked to the Inventory Review page and subsequently the Big Basin Drone, where as in reality the link only exists in the eye of the beholder.

In fact, I feel sure that if there was any other reference to the Drone technology in the Inventory Review then this too would have been included by Isaac.

Isaac also says there are no moving parts, a computational holographic substrate surely wouldn’t need any, “unit for exchange.”
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« Reply #989 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 3:14pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 1:39pm, B J Booth wrote:
Plus, the "craft" is not aerodynamic with all those rods on it.

Duh, What does aerodynamics have to do with this?
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