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« Reply #1005 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 3:46pm »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 11:37am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Besides, he is a skeptic with discovery,


I appreciate your defence ATO, just I’m not a skeptic as you know, so just to further clarify things a little:

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 09:03am, DrDil wrote:
What about the term, “Selective skeptic,” or a, “Realist” for that matter?

As I believe anybody who accepts every UFO sighting, image and report as true until proved otherwise has a serious character defect and personality flaw that is ultimately more serious, detrimental and wholly objectionable than the person who doesn’t believe in any.

RE: “Skeptic - One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity.”

By that rationale, surely skeptics should be embraced by the UFO community as, “The voice of reason?”

As anyone who doesn’t take every individual case on its specific merits and who doesn’t seek out evidence and scrutinize its validity is surely a disinformation agent of an equally (if not greater) despicable nature as those who just as easily dismiss every case without any investigation? As ultimately both types will actively prevent the furthering of any, “Serious” investigation.

Skeptic doesn’t really sum it up as I feel it’s unfair to label someone as a skeptic on the merits of their belief of one particular case or incident which is inevitably what will and does happen.

While the premise of this is true, I feel it’s the necessity that each group feels to convert the other to their beliefs is where the true problems lie.

It’s this need for, “Validation” that lies at the root of the majority of subsequent arguments. I feel this is evident in the fact that Straker feels the need to visit a fundamentally, “Believers” forum to raise this very valid point.

And of course there’s the people who want to be convinced or persuaded of either of the above theories as fact i.e. believers and non-believers who are teetering on the edge and require a little push to consolidate their beliefs. Unfortunately since the introduction of the internet there is a multitude of websites and forums which are only too happy to oblige, whether they be for or against.

And to the uninitiated or unconvinced their minds will eventually be made up depending on the websites they WANT TO visit, this is evident by the amount of people who use various search terms to find such websites. I witness several search terms relating to the recent Drone flap on an almost hourly basis, two simplified examples of this are,

“Drone UFO hoaxed” or “Drone UFO real”

From this example and these two search terms one can surmise that these people’s minds are already made up and are not searching for proof either way but merely a unifying hypothesis that can consolidate their beliefs with solid fact.

Sorry for rambling, but in short I believe that new phrases are required to define peoples beliefs and that one should refrain from using umbrella terms like, “Skeptic” or, “Debunker.”

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« Reply #1006 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:04pm »

This is the stranges Haiti UFO I've seen! shocked

Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEm_m1SzX-M

Looks real, hmmm, never seen that configuration before, reminds me of bush and his fool me twice speach!

Ok, now I'm too tired, and this has probably been posted a dozen times!
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« Reply #1007 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:13pm »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 3:46pm, DrDil wrote:
I appreciate your defence ATO, just I�m not a skeptic as you know, so just to further clarify things a little:


We know DrDil. You're just an every day Joe who has his head on straight and pays attention to all things. We also know that you keep some things under hat until they've been disproven by another. Normally, anyone else would come in here and throw it in the pot asap, but you hold off due to an inkling of a slight possibility that it isn't quite what it appears yet. In your mind that is. Either that or you don't want to make waves with your peers. There's a conception some others should think about.



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« Reply #1008 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:15pm »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 4:04pm, RoH wrote:
This is the stranges Haiti UFO I've seen! shocked

Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEm_m1SzX-M

Looks real, hmmm, never seen that configuration before, reminds me of bush and his fool me twice speach!

Ok, now I'm too tired, and this has probably been posted a dozen times!


Ohhh dude, that was real! grin grin grin

That Vue 6 ain't cartoon stuff anymore. My fear is that every Tom, Dick and Harry that get's their hands on this product will be in the instant movie making business. embarassed
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« Reply #1009 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:15pm »

Dear RoH, You have just prooven the hoax...

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1186933570&start=0#1186938305

How easy it is, to make CGI movie..

Good work!
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« Reply #1010 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:20pm »

Historical Drone Sightings - 1800s & 1900s

These quotations are from the book "Flying Saucers Have Landed" by Desmond Leslie & George Adamski, 1953.

Some of these are from the days before airplanes, so the person is doing his best to describe what he sees in the sky. Come to your own conclusions as to what these sightings are. I believe they are early Drone reports......but that is just MHO.

1836... January 12th. Cherourg, France. A large luminous vessel
hangs over the city. It rotates on its own axis and seem to have a hole in the centre like a doughnut.

1845...May 11th. Signor Capoccci of the Capodimonte Observatory, Naples, Italy. He sees a number of shinning disks flying east to west, some are star shaped and others have luminous tails.

1849...Gais, Switzerland. Some had what appeared to be wings.

1855...August 11, Petworth, Sussex, England. It has spokes like a wheel: 'stationary rays' projecting from it. Visible for ninety minutes.

1871...August 29, France. Formations of highly complex objects, some round, others many sided. some of them hover , then move on.

1874...Oaxaca, Mexico. An immense 'trumpet-shaped' object...four hundred and twenty feet long hangs in the sky for six minutes, swaying gently.

1883...Zacatecas, Mexico. Circular objects with projecting streamers or rays.

1952.... Greenfield, Massachusetts. A large rotating ring, thirty feet in diameter, with the sky visible through the centre. After several seconds it appeared to be composed of two separate four-foot wide rings five feet apart. It followed the earth's contours.

1952...Ontario, Canada. One huge, revolving, ring-like object with a clear center (resembling a bicycle tire on its side) stayed in the sky for four minutes. It was a bright bluish white ring. It appeared to be without a centre.

1952...Los Angeles, California. Object resembling a sharply pointed star and when seen sideways had a sharply pointed rudder. It dived, climbed, and manoeuvered for twenty minutes.

1952...Saskatchchewan, Canada. Disk-like object had a tail like a kite.



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« Reply #1011 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:34pm »

Urantia, thanks for putting that all together. Interesting to think about. It was mentioned at some point that they probably weren't risking their fancier models for these survey flights (or whatever they might be). They could be older craft. People describe things using references that are familiar to them at the time, Ezekiel's wheel is a good example. Were we to see a similar site in the sky today we would no doubt use far more technical terms!

The common thread in your notes is the open center. We didn't really see that in the past few decades until these drones. A little bit of "Back To The Future" maybe for ET?
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« Reply #1012 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:41pm »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 4:20pm, urantia606 wrote:
Historical Drone Sightings - 1800s & 1900s


Some of these are from the days before airplanes, so the person is doing his best to describe what he sees in the sky. Come to your own conclusions as to what these sightings are. I believe they are early Drone reports......but that is just MHO.




These are all very interesting cases. I am particularly amazed by the older ones--where there are also a few early vintage photographs. With no other flying objects back then--except for maybe hot air balloons-- these sightings should be of great scientific interest. What else could they be??
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« Reply #1013 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:55pm »

I am happy you all are enjoying these old reports. They do seem to corroborate what we now see in the skies these days.

I still say one of the most compelling references is when the space alien told Mr Adamski ( who was a UFO writer and gave lots of talks on UFOs):

In effect, the spaceman said, "Do not describe these robot craft in your books and speeches".

When I read that many decades ago, I always wondered what he meant by that cryptic remark......now I know.
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« Reply #1014 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:56pm »

Hmmm... this is sounds like drone tech (appearing in two places at once):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml
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« Reply #1015 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 5:18pm »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 4:56pm, MarkM wrote:
Hmmm... this is sounds like drone tech (appearing in two places at once):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml


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Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."
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« Reply #1016 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 5:49pm »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:18pm, DrDil wrote:
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Can it be true? Not being much of a physicist myself, to say the least, rolleyes
If so, can we expect any practical applications of it in our lifetimes?
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« Reply #1017 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 5:50pm »


Boy...this discussion..sheesh. I sign in and look at the number of pages of posts that have been added sionce the last time I was here.

And say to myself..."Cr*p, I don't have time to read all of that..." So I'll go to the end and try reading the posts backward, but then I'll get even more interested and wonder what the poster is answering...and eventuially end up reading it all forward again..

Ya'll are making me crazy... wink

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« Reply #1018 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 6:58pm »

on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:50pm, Raf wrote:
Boy...this discussion..sheesh. I sign in and look at the number of pages of posts that have been added sionce the last time I was here.

And say to myself..."Cr*p, I don't have time to read all of that..." So I'll go to the end and try reading the posts backward, but then I'll get even more interested and wonder what the poster is answering...and eventuially end up reading it all forward again..

Ya'll are making me crazy... wink

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Oh geez that was funny. We all had to do the same thing back in late June, early July. There were 30+ posting at about the same time during the early Isaac days.

We would read three pages and then look to see that another 3 to 6 were posted in. It was crazy. I was behind something like 20 pages one day and then caught up and there 20 more to read.

Yeah, always go back to where you left off. Back then I would 'bookmark' my page I stopped on so I didn't have to think about it.
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« Reply #1019 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 7:11pm »

Remember the dream I told you all about. Remember the part about the lady and man narrating to me about the drones. Now I was confused about what was being said in there their voices yet in the dream I never saw either of them. Can you all see the confusion the drones are also causing with others trying to prove them fake.

I have had more to day when I was woke about what the drones were for but yet cant explain. I remember what I saw and the symbols I was being shown. Here is one or two I can tell about and explain.

In one I saw a vortex then something to do with underground and that circle with the writing on the paddle their is something inside. Like a level they use in construction, you know like the kind they use on a foundation to make sure it is level.

And also the drones are from the greys. I asked are you doing something to help the fault lines in California, then other symbols started to show. Trust me I did not want to post this yet and the drones was not on my mind. This happened while wide awake.
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