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« Reply #120 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 03:17am »

Hiya! First time poster long time lurker. smiley I have been following this case from the start. Well anyways I was surfing pictures of ufos and I found an old picture that reminds me of the drones.

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« Reply #121 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 03:19am »

pfff... I'm still alive.

The blue shadow could be simply an artifact of copying, but as I pointed out, the shadow goes in three different directions. To me, it seems unlikely a photo file would do this. The fact that the blue shadow is present in some areas and not others is a bit puzzling.
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« Reply #122 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 03:44am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:17am, shiv wrote:
Hiya! First time poster long time lurker. smiley I have been following this case from the start. Well anyways I was surfing pictures of ufos and I found an old picture that reminds me of the drones.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/latestadditions/photo81.htm


I've read about this photograph.
1- Welcome here!
2- I don't find any resemblance with the drones.
3- The Ufo is actually a lamp attached to a wire which is invisible because of the very light background.
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« Reply #123 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 03:47am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:44am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I've read about this photograph.
1- I don't find any resemblance with the drones.
2- The Ufo is actually a lamp attached to a wire which is invisible because of the very light background.

It says in the article that the street lamp theory was rejected.
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« Reply #124 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 05:48am »

It occurred to me that the cage at the bottom of the drone might be used to open up and clamp onto the lander from the anonymously submitted photograph.

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It seems somewhat of an elaborate landing system though. You'd think the aliens would've invented landing gear. However, maybe the drones must take on the appearance of a gravity fractal in order to function, and conventional landing gear might interrupt the gravity field or something. Just a passing thought.

Also, maybe the reason LMH, C2C, and Isaac, etc. are now so mum about the drones subject is perhaps they're all working on a book deal? Just another passing thought.
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« Reply #125 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 05:51am »

Why do so many clear(ish) old photos of UFO's actually look old too? i notice the black and white photos of them usually always look ancient, i dont think we get photos of them like that today?

some of them look like they could be a flying fire hydrant, that kind of material.. i dont know huh

whats up with that?, did E.T's get smarter all of a sudden?

its like they made all their old ones out of stone, or extremely simple designs. Hmm

saying that my mother and her mother saw a ufo over the mountains in the late 50's - early 60's and i suppose it looked pretty much the same as the classic saucer at the time.

Why did they look like this and how could it fly? it seems like they were all tiny.

Unless of course, some of these things were from us.. others were not.
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« Reply #126 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 06:07am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 05:51am, WelshJester wrote:
Why do so many clear(ish) old photos of UFO's actually look old too? i notice the black and white photos of them usually always look ancient, i dont think we get photos of them like that today?


Could be because everyone I knew in the 50s had one of these

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« Reply #127 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 07:08am »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:43pm, Whane The Whip wrote:
Light is reflected from multiple sources even if there is only one source for that light (the sun for example) ... therefore shadows and color may not always behave the way we expect them. If 20 of us took random photos all on the same day but from different locations there will be room to debate the veracity of ~65% of those photos based on shadow and light alone.


on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:47pm, castles4me wrote:
Even if boksawa's blues did match perfectly, it really doesn't prove anything except that they are "purty colors" it doesn't mean definitively that the same person CGI'd them both. And, the likelyhood that IF the same person CGI'd them that they would even use the same hue. I am not even understanding the reasoning behind this line of analysis anyway. I mean... I understand why baksawa is questioning it, I just don't think that the outcome weighs anything significant to prove or disprove.


Interesting points...

It is a bit odd that different cameras, 20 years apart, are showing the same "signatures." I have to agree with Whane, from experience... different digital cameras will add their own color bias and not give the same exacts colors. "Film" cameras will vary on settings and development.

So does that mean they were using 7 megapixel digital cameras in the mid-1980's?

Purity of color? These are occurring at the same wavelengths or hue. That is not coincidence… there is a common cause or process to create this hue (as I have demonstrated).
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« Reply #128 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 07:11am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 05:51am, WelshJester wrote:
some of them look like they could be a flying fire hydrant, that kind of material.. i dont know huh

whats up with that?, did E.T's get smarter all of a sudden?

its like they made all their old ones out of stone, or extremely simple designs. Hmm

saying that my mother and her mother saw a ufo over the mountains in the late 50's - early 60's and i suppose it looked pretty much the same as the classic saucer at the time.

Why did they look like this and how could it fly? it seems like they were all tiny.

Unless of course, some of these things were from us.. others were not.


Isn't it thought that approximately 60 different races are visiting/have visited out planet. That's always been my take on the reason for different designs. Plus, throw in our govt back-engineering ET tech and you have a wide variety of things cruz'n our skys.
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« Reply #129 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 07:46am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 03:17am, shiv wrote:
Hiya! First time poster long time lurker. smiley I have been following this case from the start. Well anyways I was surfing pictures of ufos and I found an old picture that reminds me of the drones.
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Looks like a drone to me. As we've seen, they come in all shapes, sizes and configurations - not to mention the year was 1945.

We'll need more updated analysis but it's definitely debatable
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« Reply #130 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 08:00am »

Bakosawa, I fear you misunderstood my intentions. I was replying to when you said,

on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:41am, bakosawa wrote:
Please humor me on this… this is probably wrong and I and sure there are a lot of good folks out there that can help me on this….

1. There seems to be something wrong with the shadows on the Anti-grav and curved I-beam photos.

The shadows are blue in color. Why would the shadows be blue in color? Not only are they blue, but blue shows up on the Ty photos for the “feelers” (on the top of the drone and in the ring thingies) and the sides of some objects.

2. I have a theory… Ty = Isaac.

Any suggestions to help me disprove this?


I was unaware Latitude had posted a theory about the lightbox as I was looking for an image of a lightbox to show you, this took a little while and the only one I could find was the homemade one that I showed, to which you replied,
on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:25pm, bakosawa wrote:
To be honest.. I was thinking of a commercial light box (or light booth) to view color... embarassed


As far as I could see when I replied, the lightbox hadn’t been referenced by yourself as I was unaware of your last post due to replying to your previous one, if that makes sense.

on Jul 25th, 2007, 12:48pm, DrDil wrote:
[color=Yellow]Not sure about the blue, but the white light topic has been raised before, a lightbox perhaps?


I was merely trying to offer an explanation as you asked, I have said countless times that I have a very, very basic knowledge of digital imaging, CGI etc. So bearing that in mind, allow me to again try and answer the question, but purely from an unqualified observers viewpoint, (as naïve and misinformed as it may be.)

Is it at all possible that the photos were intentionally placed on a blue base? The reason I ask is that if you look at the image below, you can see that the black outline of the shadow is almost indiscernible in the black and white image, where as on the colour image the shadow is a lot more noticeable against the blue.

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And this one is the sort of overhead shot of the I Beams by themselves, notice again that the blue is obvious and is all around the image and you can still see the shadows of the I Beams against the blue background.

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I also feel that in this next image of the two overhead shots you can clearly see the blue hue which you speak about.

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And in this image of a different two shots, it also looks like the blue is only beneath them, rather than a shadow cast by them.

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And finally if the reason for the blue base (or for lighting the base with a blue light) is to be able to more clearly observe the outline of the objects, then could the location of the device be shaped anything like this?

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Again, I apologise for the shoddy examples and all I’m trying to do is answer the question you posed, as a novice sees it.
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« Reply #131 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 08:05am »

As for the light box…

Labs normally do not have access to high end photographers with sweet light boxes to make photos of objects with no backgrounds. The Q3-85 page is much like what you will see from lab work. I know… I take a lot of our departments photos. We run on a shoe-string budget, and sometimes we don’t get the string. The anti-grav stuff… no. The point of a light box is to control the lighting/shadowing. There is no shadow control being displayed in the anti-grav photos as a whole.

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Why would a light box be used to produce this? There appears to be shadows under the beams... but why the weird blue scatter around the beams and to their left. It just does not make sense when you compare the blue to the dark shadow that are under the beams. The light that created the dark shadows would cancel the creation of the blue areas (or both would shadows would “lean” to the left), unless the blue was some how added later.
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on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:05am, bakosawa wrote:
As for the light box…

Labs normally do not have access to high end photographers with sweet light boxes to make photos of objects with no backgrounds. The Q3-85 page is much like what you will see from lab work. I know… I take a lot of our departments photos. We run on a shoe-string budget, and sometimes we don’t get the string.

The anti-grav stuff… no. The point of a light box is to control the lighting/shadowing. There is no shadow control being displayed in the anti-grav photos as a whole.

Why would a light box be used to produce this? There appears to be shadows under the beams... but why the weird blue scatter around the beams and to their left. It just does not make sense when you compare the blue to the dark shadow that are under the beams. The light that created the dark shadows would cancel the creation of the blue areas (or both would shadows would “lean” to the left), unless the blue was some how added later.


If the blue was added later would it not cancel out the shadows of the I-Beams.
Help me understand!! And could the white not be a white background rather than a lightbox? I’m not criticising or questioning you but trying to understand what you are saying.

If you think this is from the photo being doctored in some way, do you think it is intentional?

The reason I ask is that to a novice, the CGI workmanship that appears to have went into the antigravity device is expert to say the least. And if the blue hue nullifies this then it would seem it had to be intentional.

Or do you think this blue is an inevitable result of the process that was used to doctor the images?
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on Jul 26th, 2007, 08:15am, DrDil wrote:
If the blue was added later would it not cancel out the shadows of the I-Beams.
Help me understand!! And could the white not be a white background rather than a lightbox? I’m not criticising or questioning you but trying to understand what you are saying.

If you think this is from the photo being doctored in some way, do you think it is intentional?

The reason I ask is that to a novice, the CGI workmanship that appears to have went into the antigravity device is expert to say the least. And if the blue hue nullifies this then it would seem it had to be intentional.

Or do you think this blue is an inevitable result of the process that was used to doctor the images?


Sorry DrDil... I was missing your posts.

If you check the color of the dark shadows of the two beams, they are not at the same wavelengths as the rest of the blue background... some of it is in the green. I do not think the background for the beams is the 149-150 hue blue. If it is, then the photos would have to "photoshopped" to add the white background. I can find no natural explanation for the blue background in the pattern it is in. Even if one were to spotlight a blue light on it... the white letters would show as blue as the background. If there are too many coincidences, one must consider the fact that they may not be coincidences.

It could be caused by the process; it could be a "signature."

Why does the Ty drone have the “primer”, but does not have any “simple” linguistics?

Why don’t the other drones have the “primer,” but they do have “simple” linguistics?

Isaac says the linguistics run the craft, the primer show how the linguistics runs the craft. Yet the Ty drone runs on the primer and has no “simple” linguistics. Unfortunately, this type of logic runs through out the Isaac narration.

The TY - Isaac photos have common threads too… which folks are more than willing to explain away (but not prove).

Does anyone have objective evidence that proves Ty is not Isaac?
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« Reply #134 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 09:08am »

On this subject, I really didn't think that the blue issue would go this far so I never said anything and then I saw DrDils blk and whi below and decided to mention this.

I worked at a mailorder company from 1979 to 1981 who had a black and white paper (newsprint material) catalog. All of our pictures looked like DrDils black and white picture below. There was the shadow but then there was an additional amount of ink that was displayed in particular areas around the picture beyond the shadow.

I think you only need to find an old blk/white catalog or newspaper that have ads on the page and you'll probably see the black (in addition to the shadow that is).

Back then of course, this was done with a 35mm camera. The photographer used to set up in our warehouse on a table and the item was set in a box.

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