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« Reply #1305 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 9:06pm »

on Aug 19th, 2007, 8:16pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
You almost said it in a nut shell. You left out MUFON's lack of stance, the ufologist jealous because LMH got Isaac from C2C and them not wanting to research the drones just because it's hers - they figure.


Actually Mufon's involvement in the drone case could be seen as bordering on conspiratorial. Remember that one of the first drone reports was on their website from “Mufon 7013 – Wife”, also known as Tahoe Wife. I'm not sure how it all came about because things were happening very fast back then. I don't know if it was OMF's Admin who invited Steve from Mufon or if he came on his own. Anyway here are the details as chronicled by Calikid of OMF.

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Let's talk Chronology:
May '07
A new user named Steve post preliminary findings at the forum. Identifies himself as a MUFON field investigator.

Within hours, he deletes his posts. Results in his identity being called into question.

Next
In response to a forum inquiry.
Rubin Uriarte (Northern California State Mufon Director) responds with a statement that just confirmed" [Mr. Steve Reichmuth is a field investigator and a state section director with Northern California Mufon and is the lead investigator for this case reference as CHAD UFO]

Finally,
Steve Muillo, the L.A. Mufon director issues a statment that the STEVE who issued the report was NOT him. Apparently he was receiving inquires. This email had the final report attached to it. The report said CASE CLOSE PROBABLE HOAX. Will be reopened if witnesses become available.


Then the final report as received by Calikid (he must be a Mufon member)

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From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22.nul>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:56:18 -0700
Archived: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:40:05 -0400
Subject: MUFON Investigation Shows Drone Photos Hoaxed


I received this on the MUFON LA mailing list and thought
it would be worth posting it here. I have examined the
related CARET docs and have detected some erroneous
statements on antigravity. The whole affair seems
contrived as a hoax, but why?

-Bill Hamilton

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Dear MUFON LA Members and Supporters,

Many of you have expressed your certainty that the alleged drone
photos which appear on C2C and Earthfiles are the real deal. I
decided to log on to MUFON.com, and see what the field
investigator assigned to the case came up with. Incidentally,
the investigator turned out to be the SSD for that district.
Befitting for such a high profile case, don’t you agree? Here
are his comments:



INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007

The object in the attached images within this report first
appeared several weeks earlier on the Coast to Coast web site
page. This new witness report was posted May 12, 2007.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light

I had several trusted friends & experts in CGI (computer
generated Images) examine these images, as well as the earlier
Coast to Coast images. One examiner is Mr. Steve Neil who has
and continues to do computer generated images for the History
channels television program 'UFO Files'. The other effects
person is a Mr. Marc D' Antonio. He owns and operates a business
in Connecticut named FX Models. http://www.fxmodels.com/

Marc is a former MUFON Field investigator, and has taught
Astronomy for a number of years at a local area east coast
college. Both Marc & Steve I would consider well grounded and I
would consider them both 'non-skeptics' related to 'UFO's. They
think UFO's are 'real' and likely 'extraterrestral' in origin.
Marc works with computer generated images every day. Both
experts state all images of this object are clearly fakes. Mr.
D' Antonio is one of my valued expert contacts I network with in
studying UFO photographs. He has volunteered to assist in future
cases.

Marc examined the Coast to Coast images days earlier week (May
10) earlier. I contacted Marc again when this latest witness
report was posted on CMS shortly later (May 12, 2007).

Attached images have been studied by these two friends in the
Special visual computer effects industry. They both
independently state this object is clearly a CG fake.

Marc writes "Those of us in that community can look at and
immediately spot, fakery. I have to say that this one is not
actually even a GOOD fake."

Marc further writes:


Why?

In one of the images, you can see that the faker used, something
called "radiosity" to render the images. The technique allows
for more realistic images and makes things look very good, as if
lit by the sun in this case. Well, in ONE of the radiosity
images supposedly looking up at the 'fake ship' from directly
below it is clear that the faker didn't take care in setting his
settings for the renderer and you can see classic "radiosity
render artifacts" in the dark shadow areas of the CG craft. They
show up as mottling in the shadows instead of smooth
transitions. It is what happens when you want the rendering to
be finished quickly. If radiosity settings were used to make the
image look absolutely real, each image could take tens of hours
to render perhaps.

In another shot where the craft ought to have been some distance
away, it is sharp and clear as if there is suddenly no
atmospheric haze.

Finally, in one image the faker composited the craft to appear
behind tree branches. This is easy to perform. The faker used
something called an Alpha map which affords you JUST this
capability.

Sooner or later, I will bet that a 'video' will emerge, and the
faker is no doubt working on it but doesn't like the results I
guarantee because the radiosity renders take a long time to
render per frame and in motion, he has to get all his Photoshop
type filtering done on the fly within his rendering software and
it isn't as easy.

When I saw this I winced at how obvious the fakery is and how
utterly uneducated the coast to coast people are for falling for it.
The faker, named 'Chad' is a complete and total fabricator."

I have still sent a request to the above witness Email address
wishing a interview, following Mufon investigative proceedures.
I plan to play this interview 'dumb smart' (if it ever occurs
- but hope so) wishing to glean any further information if
possible and post it here. It maybe possible these images
submitted were hoaxed by someone else, rather than by the
witnesses themselves (names stated above).

I suspect the Coast to Coast web site appearance was a trial run
before posting here in the Mufon CMS. The attached images files
from Coast to Coast read in the image file text' the name
'McKinley'. The same witness name above in the witness report.

I seriously doubt the 'Coast to Coast' people may even know
about this authenticity issue.

As of May 16, 2007, I have not recieved any reply from these
witnesses.

Clearly a 'HOAX'. Case completed, but will reopen should I
recieve get a reply from the witness. (hopefully).

Very Respectfully,

Steve Reichmuth
Mufon - Northern California
SSD - Alameda / Contra Costa Co.
May 16, 2007 (20:19 hours)”

As you can see from his comments, Mr. Reichmuth is convinced
that the photos are a HOAX. So don’t get too excited. Know that
there are people out there who get their jollies from spoofing
the unsuspecting and gullible. Hey, don’t feel too bad. If it
makes you feel any better, I thought they looked real too. As
ancient Chinese proverb say; “believe nothing of what you hear,
and only half of what you see”. Or maybe that was Kwai Chang
Caine. No matter.

Steve R. Murillo

State Section Director
MUFON L.A.


So it's fairly obvious that Mufon does not even know to conduct a proper UFO investigation. An official sounding acronym does not equate to competence.

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« Reply #1306 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 9:18pm »

on Aug 19th, 2007, 8:44pm, murnut wrote:
I guess L6 really does have multiple personalities. wink

Now the group seems to be promoting the hoax card

I was away for the weekend, and was able to follow on my phone but could not log in.

I too waited for something to happen on the 18th or 19th, [but the only thing that did was one of my boys puking his guts out in the middle of the night.

Then i thought, what if 3 yr old boys around the world were all puking at the same time?

Could this be the message, I said to myself.

Then i realized that I have completely lost it grin



Okay everyone, make a note. NOBODY let murnut into the conspiracy section.
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« Reply #1307 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 9:23pm »

on Aug 19th, 2007, 9:06pm, Latitude wrote:
Actually Mufon's involvement in the drone case could be seen as bordering on conspiratorial. Remember that one of the first drone reports was on their website from “Mufon 7013 – Wife”, also known as Tahoe Wife. I'm not sure how it all came about because things were happening very fast back then. I don't know if it was OMF's Admin who invited Steve from Mufon or if he came on his own. Anyway here are the details as chronicled by Calikid of OMF.



Then the final report as received by Calikid (he must be a Mufon member)



So it's fairly obvious that Mufon does not even know to conduct a proper UFO investigation. An official sounding acronym does not equate to competence.



So, what "erroneous antigravity" information is he talking about.... and since when did UFO investigators become experts in antigravity physics?
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« Reply #1308 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 9:23pm »

on Aug 19th, 2007, 9:06pm, Latitude wrote:
Actually Mufon's involvement in the drone case could be seen as bordering on conspiratorial. Remember that one of the first drone reports was on their website from “Mufon 7013 – Wife”, also known as Tahoe Wife. I'm not sure how it all came about because things were happening very fast back then. I don't know if it was OMF's Admin who invited Steve from Mufon or if he came on his own. Anyway here are the details as chronicled by Calikid of OMF.


Trust me I didn't forget any of it and I really didn't want to see it again either. Makes me mad because since they blew off Chad, they blew them all off. That's 13 drones they blew off along with Isaac - just because.

There's more to that above as well. Tell ya some other time. Waiting for a return response from MUFON on an email.

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« Reply #1309 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 9:25pm »

on Aug 19th, 2007, 9:03pm, castles4me wrote:
LOL !!!

Sooo... what's up with leviathan and his mysterious coven -- I mean "group"
MY SIMPLE GUESS IS HE HAS CONVIENCED HIMSELF THAT WHAT HE HAS, IS THE WAY TO PROVE THE DRONES FAKE. YET I KNOW THE DRONES ARE FOR REAL.
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« Reply #1310 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 9:28pm »

Shoot, ABCStore has comments about that person MUFON inquired with on CGI and he's left.

I'll search his name for his post. I don't like that MUFON report without this going with it. brb


nm, too hard to find. Need his name to search - not going to dig through the "A's". He just said that he knew the work of that CGI guy that works for History Channel and he's not that hot. Besides that, I went into that FX website and I was hardly empressed. Most of his work was done on smooth objects - for instance submarines. Oh yeah, like there's a lot of detail on a sub.



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« Reply #1311 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 10:16pm »

ATO, what happened the last time UFOcasebook tried to contact Stephen and/or Jenna ??

I really wish we could get Stephen in here to describe his sighting in person.
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« Reply #1312 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 10:20pm »

on Aug 19th, 2007, 10:16pm, castles4me wrote:
ATO, what happened the last time UFOcasebook tried to contact Stephen and/or Jenna ??

I really wish we could get Stephen in here to describe his sighting in person.


I'll put it this way. I'm not asking BJ again. lol

The last time I asked was yesterday and I actually had to ask him twice in a different way. And the answer was the same both times that they never returned his emails.

I was leading to the email address but I knew he wouldn't give it to me so I quit. Chances are he's thrown it out. Either that or he doesn't want me to ask because he'll have to say no.
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« Reply #1313 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 10:41pm »

on Aug 19th, 2007, 10:20pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
And the answer was the same both times that they never returned his emails.


Don't you find that odd? I mean Jenna came to UFOcasebook by her own volition. Now no answer? LMH is saying the same about Ty who went to her and had this to say in his letter to her:
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Of course I'm familiar with your work as well and am quite honored to be able to submit something that I feel is of value to the ongoing investigation of yours!


Raj was totally happy to come to OMF and tell us all about his encounter. Then the flickr was hacked and according to him he began getting "late night calls".

If I was the conspiracy type, (and I am wink) I'd say all the witnesses were coerced into silence or worse. For all we know Isaac might be feeding the scorpions out in the desert now.
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« Reply #1314 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 11:20pm »

I'm NOT a conspiracy buff and I'M getting suspicious. Too many people clamming up I think. And all the way down the line. MMMMmmmmm....

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« Reply #1315 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 11:57pm »

There once was a very strange man,
who called himself Leviathan.
He and his clan devised a strange plan
to turn lamps into drones that looked grand.

But reporting from space, was a gal with no grace
Who hid lots of hi-res at her place.
She told all who asked, to go sit on their ass
'Cause the pics disappeared without trace.


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« Reply #1316 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 10:19am »

I have something that really needs to be said here, which I just realized today has been overlooked.

Over the past three months we've run into so many roadblocks set up by our own here in the United States. It began with Earthfiles dropping the ball more then once while losing contact with Jenna, Stephen, Ty, Mr. Smith and of course Isaac. And now we're dealing with Linda Moulton-Howes decision not to release the remaining 11 high-resolution Ty Big Basin photos while using an excuse that no longer applies. Also, we have the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) who continues to completely ignore and not research the drones and the Isaac situation based on the advice of two others regarding only one of the drones while dismissing the other 13 drones and Isaac. Lastly, we've dealt with a fair amount of corrupt photography that was cropped, scanned, jpgs compressed, etc., etc., etc., because the original receivers of such didn't think beforehand as to the importance of the photos.

Outside of the forums in the United States, website OVNIS-USA has done more for the drones in the United States than any U.S website has. They're daily and continued effort cannot be compared to any other website including Earthfiles since OVNIS-USA cared to produce text coming out of the forums whereas no other website cared to do so.

We should appreciate Didier de Plaige and those working for him for such a great job and thank them as well.

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« Reply #1317 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 10:30am »

on Aug 19th, 2007, 9:06pm, Latitude wrote:
So it's fairly obvious that Mufon does not even know to conduct a proper UFO investigation. An official sounding acronym does not equate to competence.

Hey Latitude, my estimations of you have rose again!!
(Regarding MUFON)

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The others aren't any better with comments like "'it's a fake bottom line" and "that's just STUPID" without even understanding the facts in the case.

Ok, so some uninformed idiot says it's a hoax so let's all believe him without learning the facts. Isn't this Mufon a UFO investigation organization? But it seems they would rather sweep serious sightings under the mat. Oh yeah, they love the vague sightings of a mysterious light in the sky reported by a comical half-wit. Those things are so easy to log into the database be forgotten with the rest as long as the sales income and the donations keep rolling in.

And that’s not sarcasm, you show the courage of your convictions.
Respect is due my friend….. wink
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on Aug 20th, 2007, 10:30am, DrDil wrote:
Hey Latitude, my estimations of you have rose again!!
(Regarding MUFON)

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And that’s not sarcasm, you show the courage of your convictions.
Respect is due my friend….. wink


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« Reply #1319 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 11:04am »

on Aug 20th, 2007, 10:45am, Latitude wrote:
I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse.


I fear it’s a curse, as I feel that I too have been blessed with a similar curse!! grin
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