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« Reply #1425 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:04pm »

I read the LA TIMES article on the hoaxing in Haiti, as well as its references to the many hoaxes on YouTube.

I find this all so disheartening. All these hoaxes continue to further marginalize serious UFO studies, making it even harder to advance our knowledge.

I bet the PTB are just laughing themselves silly over this new development!
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« Reply #1426 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:06pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:49am, GYVOR wrote:
A solid block of material is actually engineered on the atomic level to perform functions that can be programmed by the "language" Could the surface of the material be designed on the atomic level to act as a kind of keyboard.


The following was posted by RoH

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Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate.
- each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped.


A working Turing machine?

Looking for answer to Isaac's diagrams on Wikipedia:
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Irreducible complexity
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The language is actually a "functional blueprint". The forms of the shapes, symbols and arrangements thereof is itself functional. What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently

Wikipedia:
The term "irreducible complexity" was originally defined by Behe as:
A single system which is composed of several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning". (Darwin's Black Box p9)

Intelligent design advocate William Dembski gives this definition:
A system performing a given basic function is irreducibly complex if it includes a set of well-matched, mutually interacting, nonarbitrarily individuated parts such that each part in the set is indispensable to maintaining the system's basic, and therefore original, function. The set of these indispensable parts is known as the irreducible core of the system. (No Free Lunch, 285)

Isaac:
However, their "language" is entirely context-sensitive, which means that a given symbol could mean as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or, quite literally, contain the entire human genome or a galaxy star map in another. The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data is another counter-intuitive aspect of this concept

Wikipedia:
A context-sensitive language is a formal language that can be defined by a context-sensitive grammar

Isaac:
Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate.
- each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped.

Wikipedia:
Computational properties
Computationally the context-sensitive languages are equivalent with linear bounded non-deterministic Turing machines. That is a non-deterministic Turing machine with a tape of only kn cells, where n is the size of the input and k is a constant associated with the machine. This means that every formal language that can be decided by such a machine is a context-sensitive language, and every context-sensitive language can be decided by such a machine.

Isaac:
Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state.

Wikipedia:
Chomsky hierarchy

A formal grammar consists of:
a finite set of terminal symbols;
a finite set of nonterminal symbols;
a finite set of production rules with a left- and a right-hand side consisting of a sequence of these symbols
a start symbol.

Isaac:
Now imagine trying to add the billionth word to the list (imagine also that we're working with an infinite alphabet so you don't run out of letters) and you can imagine how difficult it is for even a computer to keep up. Needless to say, writing this kind of thing "by hand" is orders of magnitude beyond the capabilities of the brain.

Wikipedia:
A formal grammar defines (or generates) a formal language, which is a (possibly infinite) set of sequences of symbols that may be constructed by applying production rules to a sequence of symbols which initially contains just the start symbol. A rule may be applied to a sequence of symbols by replacing an occurrence of the symbols on the left-hand side of the rule with those that appear on the right-hand side. A sequence of rule applications is called a derivation. Such a grammar defines the formal language of all words consisting solely of terminal symbols that can be reached by a derivation from the start symbol.

Turing machines are extremely basic abstract symbol-manipulating devices which, despite their simplicity, can be adapted to simulate the logic of any computer that could possibly be constructed. They were described in 1936 by Alan Turing.

[Stone (1972):"The evidence seems to indicate that every algorithm for any computing device has an equivalent Turing machine algorithm ... if [Church's thesis] is true, it is certainly remarkable that Turing machines, with their extremely primitive operations, are capable of performing any computation that any other device can perform, regardless of how complex a device we choose." (p. 13)

Isaac:
My background lent itself well to this kind of work though. I'd spent years writing code and designing both analog and digital circuits, a process that at least visually resembled these diagrams in some way. I also had a personal affinity for combinatorics.

Wikipedia:
Combinatorics is a branch of pure mathematics concerning the study of discrete (and usually finite) objects. It is related to many other areas of mathematics, such as algebra, probability theory, ergodic theory and geometry, as well as to applied subjects such as computer science and statistical physics. Aspects of combinatorics include "counting" the objects satisfying certain criteria (enumerative combinatorics), deciding when the criteria can be met, and constructing and analyzing objects meeting the criteria (as in combinatorial designs and matroid theory), finding "largest", "smallest", or "optimal" objects (extremal combinatorics and combinatorial optimization), and finding algebraic structures these objects may have (algebraic combinatorics).
Combinatorics is as much about problem solving as theory building, though it has developed powerful theoretical methods, especially since the later twentieth century (see the page List of combinatorics topics for details of the more recent development of the subject). One of the oldest and most accessible parts of combinatorics is graph theory, which also has numerous natural connections to other areas.
A trivial example of a combinatorial question is the following: What is the number of possible orderings of a deck of 52 distinct playing cards? The answer is 52! (fifty-two factorial), which is equal to about 8.0658 × 1067.
Another example of a more difficult problem: Given a certain number n of people, is it possible to assign them to sets so that each person is in at least one set, each pair of people is in exactly one set together, every two sets have exactly one person in common, and no set contains everyone, all but one person, or exactly one person? The answer depends on n. (Search "Design theory".)

Isaac:
I helped with the design of software running on supercomputers that could juggle the often trillions of rules necessary to create a valid diagram of any reasonable complexity. This overlapped quite a bit with compiler theory as well, a subject I always found fascinating, and in particular compiler optimization, a field that wasn't half of what it is today back then.

Wikipedia:
Compiler optimization is the process of tuning the output of a compiler to minimize some attribute (or maximize the efficiency) of an executable program. The most common requirement is to minimize the time taken to execute a program; a less common one is to minimize the amount of memory occupied, and the growth of portable computers has created a market for minimizing the power consumed by a program.
Factors affecting optimization
The machine itself
Many of the choices about which optimizations can and should be done depend on the characteristics of the target machine. It is sometimes possible to parameterize some of these machine dependent factors, so that a single piece of compiler code can be used to optimize different machines just by altering the machine description parameters. GCC is a compiler which exemplifies this approach.

Isaac:
I could go on for hours about this subject, and would love to write at least an introductory book on the subject if it wasn't still completely classified.

Theres more. I'm still looking.
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« Reply #1427 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:09pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:25am, urantia606 wrote:
I have been reading the several PACL websites on their inventions. You have to make some assumptions but when you compare Issacs letter to the PACL docs, PACL White Papers, PACL Tech papers, PACL ads, I can see that alien technology has and is part of our lives and we don't even realize it.

The PACL technology has a lot to do with substrates that are embedded with electrically charged particles that react to various types of electronic frequencies that activate the messages in the substrates.

The technology uses many types of alphabets, fonts, pictures, and dot patterns that are many layers deep with complexities. etc . Much of the information is hidden within these 'writings'and 'glyphs' as they call them. Their White Papers go on for hundreds of pages that explain how this is done.

Of course PACL never says that their inventions come from alien technology but it is easy for those of us who have studied the connection to see it.

Xeroid hit on this by providing this and I quote:

Well I'll be......that sounds just like my recollection of Xerox Dataglyph and Smartpaper Technology
Dataglyph Description

http://www.parc.com/research/projects/dataglyphs/

Have you looked at this info? the dataglyphs can be encoded onto metal. -- I wouldn't be surprised if this very technology was created in the CARET lab, or from a similar group of computer programers working for secret government. I guess they found a commercial use for it afterall.

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"Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate."

They probably used a microscope to find out that the "solid parts" contained some sort of technology on a molecule base. The working is probably at quantumlevel.

Our stuff is working with very large groups of molecules (transistors) in a microchip. The working comes from electricity.

This means that their technology is as small it can be (just one molecule) and they're controlling the quantumworld to work on this level of matther. This might explain as well why our electricity networks distrort their craft. They just don't use this way of energy anymore.

to make the craft invisible they have to rase or lower the frequency of the matter which only can be controlled at quantumlevel.

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Phew, I go away for a few hours and then I find out that I have an hour of reading to do before I can make a post!

Thanks Latitude for the support on my level of physics. Nice to know that the degree has not been wasted. I am not a theoretical physicist like your friend, so would have a comparitively poor understanding on how the drones can fit with modern day science. My PhD was in an area dubbed "Complex Systems". I am more at home understanding how many simple objects can interact to produce non-linear and also non-obvious macroscopic effects on the entire system. So the part of Isaac's document that I would be best applied to (if ever that were an option --- in my dreams!), would be the following part

"First of all, you wouldn't open up their hardware to find a CPU here, and a data bus there, and some kind of memory over there. Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped. So 4 elements working together is actually more than 4 times more powerful than 1. Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state. The shape of these "chunks" of substrate also had a profound effect on its functionality, and often served as a "shortcut" to achieve a goal that might otherwise be more complex."

Which to me, if I had to create an analogy, sounds a little bit like a brain. Now a brain is not a holographic substrate, but there are many similarities. The computational power of 4 neurons is greater than 4 times the computational power of 1 neuron. The brain is non-linear. Also different regions of the brain have their neurons clustered in different configurations such that different functions are achieved.

As a disclaimer, I'm not in any way suggesting that the substrate is intellgent.
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« Reply #1428 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:16pm »

Boy this sure is easier then searching the threads manually.

That's it for substrate except for a few comments made about the black block and they didn't use the word 'substrate' in their sentences. Other searches such as black and box would be endless. I'll check block though.
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« Reply #1429 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:19pm »

Thanks Atrueoriginal, there is obviously a lot too this. Just adds to my beleif that this is either one very complex and orchastrated hoax or its REAL. Either scenario is extremely interesting and begs a lot of questions.
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« Reply #1430 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:27pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:19pm, GYVOR wrote:
Thanks Atrueoriginal, there is obviously a lot too this. Just adds to my belief that this is either one very complex and orchestrated hoax or its REAL. Either scenario is extremely interesting and begs a lot of questions.


It would have to be extremely complex and orchestrated - that's just it. It's too deep, which is why there are plenty of believers.

This was a post I just found of my own, which I think better explains what Isaac would have to be in order to pull all of this off.

It's easier to simply look at Isaac's work and a close up of the Big Basin drone. I sense a little more reality there then I do CGI since nobody in CGI is that good.

The option being that Isaac came in the picture and was a creation of things based off of the Big Basin drone. Oops, we're stuck again because now we have another kind of artist and one that is way above board in four different fields. That of photography, that of visual arts (drawings) and that of a fantastic, fabulous writer who understands the psychology of the human mind and would have to have had training in psychology. I say that because in each and ever sentence he has to sit there and think about how man is going to accept that thought of his on every single cotton picken sentence he writes. He thinks, "I have to make it look real", "there can be no mistakes" and he spends countless hours on this tremendously long dissertation making sure that what he just stated is true and factual to the reader with no errors in not only how he said it, but the background material as well.

Total now we have 1) probably the best CGI artist in the whole wide world since nobody's work comes close, 2) in walks Isaac who is a photographer who knows his work extremely well based on the pictures that were presented, 3) Isaac again, a visual artist who is acclaimed certainly since the word beautiful was used continuously in our descriptions of the linguistic primers, 4) Isaac again, a fabulous writer if his intention was to snow everyone and 5) a psychologist in order to pull off number 4.
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« Reply #1431 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:39pm »

You got it! An expert in 4 fields and one more that i would add - particle physics. I posted this earlier. The drones remind me of a small partical accelerator (collider). Even the rectangular sections that hang on the side are positioned like magnets (accelerators) would be. According to particle physics there are anti-particles for every particle. If these drones could produce particles in these accelerators, such as anti-gravitons and anti-photons, this could enable it to both levitate and be invisible. - Thus even the incredibly unique design never before seen in ufology can also be practical in its function. Try doing both of those at once!
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on Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:15am, castles4me wrote:
I guess, whether they are the same or not, it is still a similar theory that they are symbols of instruction and probably used very similarly to the language on the A1, A2 and A3. The language could be from a different species, or maybe Marcell remembers them differently.

I uploaded a short clip from a Discovery program where Jesse Marcel shows a replica of the I-beam his father found at the Roswell crash site

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« Reply #1433 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:47pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:04pm, starsigndavid wrote:
I read the LA TIMES article on the hoaxing in Haiti, as well as its references to the many hoaxes on YouTube.

I find this all so disheartening. All these hoaxes continue to further marginalize serious UFO studies, making it even harder to advance our knowledge.

I bet the PTB are just laughing themselves silly over this new development!


You really shouldn’t lose heart, it was satisfactorily debunked in less than a day, yet this topic is still droning tongue on.
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« Reply #1434 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:48pm »

Back to the I-beam -- I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that Marcell could have remembered them slightly different. It could very well be the same race/language -- Just the use of the I-beam in a discoidal craft would be different from that of a drone.

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« Reply #1435 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:52pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:39pm, GYVOR wrote:
You got it! An expert in 4 fields and one more that i would add - particle physics. I posted this earlier. The drones remind me of a small partical accelerator (collider). Even the rectangular sections that hang on the side are positioned like magnets (accelerators) would be. According to particle physics there are anti-particles for every particle. If these drones could produce particles in these accelerators, such as anti-gravitons and anti-photons, this could enable it to both levitate and be invisible. - Thus even the incredibly unique design never before seen in ufology can also be practical in its function. Try doing both of those at once!


I really think you are onto something. I have always said, it is the technology that is going to prove beyond doubt that the drones are real.
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« Reply #1436 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:00pm »

from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_accelerator

under the heading Circular Accelerator

In the circular accelerator, particles move in a circle until they reach sufficient energy. The particle track is typically bent into a circle using electromagnets. The advantage of circular accelerators over linear accelerators (linacs) is that the ring topology allows continuous acceleration, as the particle can transit indefinitely. Another advantage is that a circular accelerator is relatively smaller than a linear accelerator of comparable power (i.e. a linac would have to be extremely long to have the equivalent power of a circular accelerator).
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« Reply #1437 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:09pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:39pm, GYVOR wrote:
You got it! An expert in 4 fields and one more that i would add - particle physics. I posted this earlier. The drones remind me of a small partical accelerator (collider). Even the rectangular sections that hang on the side are positioned like magnets (accelerators) would be. According to particle physics there are anti-particles for every particle. If these drones could produce particles in these accelerators, such as anti-gravitons and anti-photons, this could enable it to both levitate and be invisible. - Thus even the incredibly unique design never before seen in ufology can also be practical in its function. Try doing both of those at once!


However he only claims to hold a degree in electronics.

Also, Isaac said this...
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The CARET Program

My story begins the same as it did for many of my co workers, with graduate and post-graduate work at university in electrical engineering. And I had always been interested in computer science, which was a very new field at the time, and my interest piqued with my first exposure to a Tixo during grad school. In the years following school I took a scenic route through the tech industry and worked for the kinds of companies you would expect, until I was offered a job at the Department of Defense and things took a very different turn.


Latitude found something interesting here....

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Only trying to read between Isaac's lines. Isaac said that he worked with Tixo (TX-0) back in grad school. TX-0 was built by the Lincoln Laboratory in 1956 and handed over to the Electrical Engineering dept (Isaac's major) of MIT in 1958 where it stayed till 1975. Most of the work done to improve the hardware and write software for Tixo was done between 1959 and 1967.


I'm keeping all of that information in the back of my mind because he could be an MIT graduate.
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« Reply #1438 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:20pm »

Check this out! Just found this web page and it has the blue picture from earlier post today - but with a decription of it purpose.
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