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« Reply #1440 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:23pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 05:05am, nekitamo wrote:
Perhaps you're looking for this:


Though, there's no actual drone description. Here's the transcript.


I would love to hear what Brigadier General Lovekin's reaction would be of the drone photos & linguistic primer
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« Reply #1441 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:26pm »

Now doesn't that look kind of like the "primer". It is a schematic representation of particles as they collide. Could this be how to read the primer. Are particle collisions being controlled/directed by the technology.
http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2006/03/15/events-at-a-particle-collider/
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« Reply #1442 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:28pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:21pm, GYVOR wrote:
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« Reply #1443 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:32pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:21pm, GYVOR wrote:
Sorry got excited , heres the link.
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http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2006/03/15/events-at-a-particle-collider/


I'm a physics dummy. I saw that link "Physics Made Easy" and went into it and actually remember reading a few of those stories. Outside of that though, everything else is Greek to me.

Do you know Jack Sarfatti? His position is that he doesn't want to look like a drony to his peers so he's pretending to disbelieve even though he posted in a different forum (before Isaac) that he believed in the drones. Now suddenly because someone somewhere made fun of him, he fell off the fence to the hoax side and joined a skeptic camp. Since he's now dismissing the drones, Isaac went along with them.

Outside of that good possibility we could have had, (excluding maybe the personality rolleyes) we don't have enough people in this forum who understand physics. Obviously, we need help.

I have difficulty with comprehension since so many things of Physics need defining first before any 'one thing' can be understood.
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« Reply #1444 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:36pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:39pm, GYVOR wrote:
You got it! An expert in 4 fields and one more that i would add - particle physics. I posted this earlier. The drones remind me of a small partical accelerator (collider). Even the rectangular sections that hang on the side are positioned like magnets (accelerators) would be. According to particle physics there are anti-particles for every particle. If these drones could produce particles in these accelerators, such as anti-gravitons and anti-photons, this could enable it to both levitate and be invisible. - Thus even the incredibly unique design never before seen in ufology can also be practical in its function. Try doing both of those at once!


I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer here, but but photons and gravitons are massless waves, not particles. There is no accepted theory (that I'm aware of!) that would allow anti-photons or anti-gravitons.

Even in Isaac's documents, he mentions holographic projection (regular photons) and generation of gravity fields (regular 'gravitons' if they even exist).

I really don't think the circular ring has anything to do with particle acceleration in the way we understand it. If it was so trivial as saying 'that box is a magnet, that ring is an accelerator' then were are the control and emitter arrays? Where is the power source? (etc etc) I don't think we can apply our traditional mechanical understanding to any pieces on the drones - even accepting that they're doing what they're doing (being invisible and floating) is on the very farthest fringes of our understanding... I don't think a device capable of sustaining both would employ our current, rude technologies.
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« Reply #1445 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 2:22pm »

Fence, this is true. Our traditional understanding can only take us so far. But as a general idea I think it is worth exploring. Like Castles said, the technology will provide the proof. As far as anti-gravitons and anti-photons are concerned , I would classify these as antiquanta. Currently there are theoretical physicist's who have proposed the idea, but your right, there is no accepted theory.
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« Reply #1446 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 2:38pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:36pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer here, but but photons and gravitons are massless waves, not particles. There is no accepted theory (that I'm aware of!) that would allow anti-photons or anti-gravitons.


The mind of the sceptic... did you see it?

Before you say something like this again... please have something that can prove your statment! If you are not aware of any, why do you say it, maby you are wrong, but you want to kill the thought before you even tried.

It all comes down to who do you belive... the new science that people like you dismiss becouse you think that every teory and discovery in science in the past is the bible. Every book written about the subject is the truth. do you belive that?

If we are to understand this, we have to look at every new teories and discoveries in science! and that is everybodys right to do so. If we don't! we are at status Quo, and we will never understand it! angry

It's like saying that Albert Einstein was right in every aspect of his teories, but did you know that Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck did not belive that. He though that there was something more, and he came up with the quantum theory, and who do you think was right?

You are a nay-sayer, and you pretend that you are not!

Lets keep looking, and we will find the answere!



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« Reply #1447 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 2:41pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 2:38pm, RoH wrote:
You are a nay-sayer, and you pretend that you are not!

Lets keep looking, and we will find the answere!



Yikes, Roh -- a bit harsh there.... Fence said "that I'm aware of!" he was already giving himself an "out" that he wasn't certain. Fence has always presented relevant theories and arguments and from what I remember, he is a believer in the drones and is not a skeptic.
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« Reply #1448 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 3:05pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:47pm, DrDil wrote:
You really shouldn’t lose heart, it was satisfactorily debunked in less than a day, yet this topic is still droning tongue on.


I guess I am just frustrated and disgusted at the damage hoaxers are doing to the credible study of UFO's. The sheer volume of hoaxes plays right into the hands of the PTB--why would they need to use any disinformation campaign when the hoaxers are doing all their work for them! It seems certain that the only way the truth will finally be known is when ET makes his appearance in public.
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« Reply #1449 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 3:20pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 3:05pm, starsigndavid wrote:
I guess I am just frustrated and disgusted at the damage hoaxers are doing to the credible study of UFO's. The sheer volume of hoaxes plays right into the hands of the PTB--why would they need to use any disinformation campaign when the hoaxers are doing all their work for them! It seems certain that the only way the truth will finally be known is when ET makes his appearance in public.


I think this element has always been there, I feel it’s just the internet has made it a lot easier to put it in front of an audience of millions almost instantly. And as long as there’s a stage, you’re always going to get the clowns…..

Welcome to the dawning age of (dis)information!!

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« Reply #1450 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 3:26pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 3:20pm, DrDil wrote:
I think this element has always been there, I feel it’s just the internet has made it a lot easier to put it in front of an audience of millions almost instantly. And as long as there’s a stage, you’re always going to get the clowns…..

Welcome to the dawning age of (dis)information!!



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« Reply #1451 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 3:45pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 2:38pm, RoH wrote:
The mind of the sceptic... did you see it?

Before you say something like this again... please have something that can prove your statment! If you are not aware of any, why do you say it, maby you are wrong, but you want to kill the thought before you even tried.

It all comes down to who do you belive... the new science that people like you dismiss becouse you think that every teory and discovery in science in the past is the bible. Every book written about the subject is the truth. do you belive that?

If we are to understand this, we have to look at every new teories and discoveries in science! and that is everybodys right to do so. If we don't! we are at status Quo, and we will never understand it! angry

It's like saying that Albert Einstein was right in every aspect of his teories, but did you know that Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck did not belive that. He though that there was something more, and he came up with the quantum theory, and who do you think was right?

You are a nay-sayer, and you pretend that you are not!

Lets keep looking, and we will find the answere!


Yikes, that hurts.

Yes, I'm cautious about what I believe. You've turned 'skeptic' into a dirty word, just like the Bush admin has turned 'liberal' into a dirty word. Taken literally, a skeptical viewpoint simply means putting your beliefs to the test of logical scrutiny. I think *everyone* should feel obligated to do that, to make sure their belief frameworks do not contradict themselves - to be their *own* best skeptic, and be prepared for the consequences... to be wrong and to have to accept someone else's views.

You say that I believe current science is the end-all-be-all... quite exactly the opposite, actually. My standing on the drones (and especially the A1-A3 units in Isaac's docs) is that our current science cannot explain how they work. Because of that belief, my standpoint is that we can't say 'part A does this, part B does that...' we have no concept of how the xxxx thing even stays up, so trying to guess at what that parts do is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole (meaning applying our physics and mechanics into their capabilities).

And as for the "That I'm aware of" statement... I'm not one to read a Stephen Hawking book and call myself an expert. I know I am not an expert. But neither am I a complete novice - I've studied sub-atomic particle theory at the university level, and have had to sit in labs and calculate particle oscillations with muti-var calculus, then write exams on these topics. Am I an authority on quantum physics or unified theory? Absolutely not. Am I able to immediately pick out a quantum or field theory BS story? Yoooouuu betcha (that does *not* apply to you Gyvor!)

I've always tried to be fair and balanced when looking at or presenting ideas, with the goal of simply helping to promote sound reasoning. I believe careful consideration is all the more critical as we step into new and fantastic areas of knowledge.
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« Reply #1452 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 3:58pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:21pm, GYVOR wrote:
Sorry got excited , heres the link.
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http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2006/03/15/events-at-a-particle-collider/


The interpretation of the Linguistic Analysis Primer as a kind of state space model may have already been mentioned, if I am repeating someone, I apologize. But, IMHO it is as good an explanation as the cloud chamber tracks. No offense, they are quite pretty.

It struck me that the first diagram in Isaac's Linguistic Analysis Primer has a resemblance to the diagrams one might see used to mathematically model the interaction between components of a physical system and its environment.

(see diagram in section 7 "control systems" of this article)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_positioning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_system

The physical system might be a natural phenomena like a hurricane, or man made like an airplane. Generally a mathematical model describes the interaction between the system with its environment as a function of time. The environment is represented by a time-sequence of measurements (observations) and a time-sequence of control inputs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_system

DANGER Will Robinson -- Speculation:
Suppose the circular parts of Isaac's diagram represent functions that are performed given the inputs and outputs represented by the lines joining the circles. The lines may represent a kind of data bus. The symbols in the circles may describe the operations performed therein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_bus

The interaction between the "functions" in Isaac's diagram indicate a complex system with both feedforward and feedback "data buses". It is highly interactive with every part affecting every other part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedforward

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback

The functions (circles) may be estimation nodes where the information received over the "data buses" is processed by the alien equivalent to our Estimation theory. The current state estimation is then sent out over the "data buses" to the other nodes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimation_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_space

The only point I want to make here is that Isaac's diagram might be understandable to us as a description of a state space model. How the model would be implemented was described by Isaac. With our limited know-how, the implementation would be different.


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on Aug 22nd, 2007, 3:58pm, Nodnunk wrote:
The only point I want to make here is that Isaac's diagram might be understandable to us as a description of a state space model.

Ooooh... very juicy. Gotta chew on this for a while....

Hmm... remembering Isaac's statement that the curvature of the surface and that *exact* reproduction (including by implication length/relative size of interconnects across a curved surface) was critical to ensure correct functioning of the component ... hmm... too many thoughts. Coffee first....
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on Aug 22nd, 2007, 4:07pm, Fencesitter wrote:
Ooooh... very juicy. Gotta chew on this for a while....

Hmm... remembering Isaac's statement that the curvature of the surface and that *exact* reproduction (including by implication length/relative size of interconnects across a curved surface) was critical to ensure correct functioning of the component ... hmm... too many thoughts. Coffee first....


Bah - so many unknowns... is the control diagram discrete to the component, or is it descriptive of a larger function.... for example, does the diagram visible in the BB photo define the function of the panel it's on, or does it include functions outside the scope of the panel? Most likely some of both, but that's just wild speculation on my part....

If every minute etching on every piece of the craft/object takes part in a larger 'ballet' of function to make the thing work, the complexity of defining those instructions (or state->response diagrams) would be absolutely mind-boggling... wouldn't it also make the thing more susceptible to failure? Or does it imply even greater redundancy... gah.
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