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« Reply #1455 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 4:25pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 2:38pm, RoH wrote:
The mind of the sceptic... did you see it?

Before you say something like this again... please have something that can prove your statment! If you are not aware of any, why do you say it, maby you are wrong, but you want to kill the thought before you even tried.



Nothing wrong with being skeptical. A negative opinion is just as important as a positive one IMHO. Early 21st century Earthman physics considers photons and gravitons to be their own antiparticles. But there is always the possibility of a change of heart. Check out this short paper.

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/6-6/str.aqA.pdf


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« Reply #1456 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 4:52pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 4:25pm, Nodnunk wrote:
Nothing wrong with being skeptical. A negative opinion is just as important as a positive one IMHO. Early 21st century Earthman physics considers photons and gravitons to be their own antiparticles. But there is always the possibility of a change of heart. Check out this short paper.

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/6-6/str.aqA.pdf


Yep, agreed 100%. Today's fact is often tomorrow's fallacy. (I actually took a look at similar papers before posting - I'm pretty careful about that stuff).

The problem with 'edge' physics, is that for every theory you can find, there are not only a dozen that contradict it, but a dozen dozen more that come in from completely different angles. I get frustrated when people quote theoretical papers as fact to further their agenda... (not pointing fingers in here, but it's rampant on some other sites). If we wanted to, we could find a published physics paper that would allow us to conclusively state that Drones make use of Yogic Flying to stay aloft... Come to think of it, anti-photogravitons aren't looking so bad after all grin
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« Reply #1457 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 6:12pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:36pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer here, but but photons and gravitons are massless waves, not particles.

I really don't think the circular ring has anything to do with particle acceleration in the way we understand it. If it was so trivial as saying 'that box is a magnet, that ring is an accelerator' then were are the control and emitter arrays? Where is the power source? (etc etc) I don't think we can apply our traditional mechanical understanding to any pieces on the drones - even accepting that they're doing what they're doing (being invisible and floating) is on the very farthest fringes of our understanding... I don't think a device capable of sustaining both would employ our current, rude technologies.


To defend Fencesitter a little... I am trying to understand what particle collision and the patterns of released subatomic particles have to due with the instruction set on how a component on a space craft is suppose to work. I too, see no logical association or connection here. Or are we now saying drones are highly radioactive devices or they are powered by radiation?

It’s a bit like looking at a falling star (a meteor, the light given off by a meteoroid entering the atmosphere) and saying we now better understand the physical workings of stars.

Then where is the logic that they are the instructions (themselves) that makes the drone work? Or are they pictograms, so humans can see “faces in the clouds?”

I think it is fine to speculate on what one may think something may be, and it is another to come down hard on someone else for having a different opinion. If there is credible evidence to support the linguistic primer is nothing more than a human form of a pictogram that represents particle decay, please share it. Otherwise, if this is truly an alien form of communication, then I am not so sure we are going to solve this with simple analogies.
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« Reply #1458 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 6:37pm »

I agree marvin; Even Isaac said this stuff put him on the insane side working with the linquistics.HI ATO, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A FIFTH TREAD CLOSE TO 100 PAGES?
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« Reply #1459 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 6:41pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2007, 1:36pm, Fencesitter wrote:
I don't think we can apply our traditional mechanical understanding to any pieces on the drones - even accepting that they're doing what they're doing (being invisible and floating) is on the very farthest fringes of our understanding... I don't think a device capable of sustaining both would employ our current, rude technologies.


Although I know little about physics, anti-gravity or invisibility, I do think that we could in theory figure out the drones and their capabilities using our own technology. The reason I think that is because our technology and information are linked to universal laws.

And, I think that we could get so complex in our analysis to overlook a more common general rule that could explain some workings of the drones. If we examind this by the law of succinctness I believe we can figure out the basics then unfold the layers from there. It wouldn't be too far-fetched to believe that, while the alien technology is very far advanced, we could figure it out with the knowledge we already know and technologies that we are already utilizing today. Plus, if we have been back-engineering for a while, the very technologies we have are probably theirs anyway smiley
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« Reply #1460 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:38pm »

Isaac basically said this. That, although we were very primitive compared to ET, after years we were getting it. We understand the basics. There's no reason not to believe him on this. Given twenty years or so, it's likely that the drones are ours. What the drones are doing is actually a more pertinent question then who they belong to at this point. The conspiracy crowd will have their opinion of course. I think at this time, we just have to wait to see.

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« Reply #1461 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:07am »

Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of shows [either radio or tv] that discuss UFOs? I know about C2C, of course---but I was wondering if there was some way to bring pressure on LMH and the so-called professional UFOlogists by, sorry to say it, PUBLICLY embarassing them into action! Perhaps a listing of sympathetic media that could advertise our community's dissatisfaction and disappointment at the lack of follow-up on the drone/Isaac issue.
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« Reply #1462 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:36am »

While we're dealing with physics, AFAIK the current explanation of gravity force being carried by gravitons is nothing but one widely acknowledged speculation still without experimental proof. Here's another such speculation:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-intro.asp

This one tries to explain gravity as ElectroMagnetic Radiation Pressure (EMRP). Neither of these theories was created yesterday and there are still others, indicating that in fact we don't know jack about gravity.
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« Reply #1463 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 03:13am »

Don't know if this has already been put on this thread, but just incase it hasn't......

Aug 22, 2007 - Scientists interpret physics behind invisibility cloaks

http://www.physorg.com/news107011336.html

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« Reply #1464 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 05:47am »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:07am, starsigndavid wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of shows [either radio or tv] that discuss UFOs? I know about C2C, of course---but I was wondering if there was some way to bring pressure on LMH and the so-called professional UFOlogists by, sorry to say it, PUBLICLY embarassing them into action! Perhaps a listing of sympathetic media that could advertise our community's dissatisfaction and disappointment at the lack of follow-up on the drone/Isaac issue.



I don't know of any comprehensive list. However, I Tivo the following cheesy: History Channel's UFO Files and World's Stangest UFO Stories on the Discovery Channel.

Also, the Scifi Channel is launching a new TV series this fall called UFO Hunters. This will be a similar format to their successful Ghost Hunters Show. It would be awesome if one of these shows took an open minded critical look at the Drone/Isaac story and not just write it off as our friends at MUFON did. But since LHM controls practically every lead on this story, I wouldn't expect it to happen. I honestly think she's planning a book, like others stated a few pages back.

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« Reply #1465 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 07:28am »

To get a flavor of the task of interpreting something alien or a truly alien language:

Look at Chinese, Japanese and Korean. Without being taught how to read it, can you read it? Even make a wild guess as to what it says? Many years ago, the oppressed Chinese women created their own version of the written Chinese language (to secretly communicate with each other, you know, from those darn men), which has no one has figured out how to read unless they were taught what it says. This language still remains “unbroken” (unreadable to those on the “outside”) today.

Look at ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics, it wasn’t until the Rosetta stone was found that we had a clue on how to read this symbolic language. That took how many thousand years for that to happened?

Again, I have no issues with speculations, and let us give each other the same freedom and respect to speculate. But I believe, if the greatest minds in the country have been working on this for the last 60 years and they are having trouble, then I suspect this is not going to be a cake walk for any of us.

RoH, I want to be clear that I respect what you contribute and agree with you many, many times. So I want to be sure that you know that I was not trying to single anyone out. With this many pages in these threads, we all have some investment of ourselves here, but honestly, this has to be the best group of people on the world wide web! I do not want to go over to one of “those” other forums. wink
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« Reply #1466 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 09:03am »

We have a lot of great theories over the course of this topic as to the purpose of the drones, and the way they function. We just need some experts now to put it in writing -- like Farmboy said before -- we need mathematical equations.

The technology will prove the drones are real. And we need the mathematical equations behind it by a pro. Maybe if someone knows a physics expert they can catalog the different ideas we have brainstormed over the last few months and send it to them along with all of the drone photos and Isaac documents.
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« Reply #1467 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 09:48am »

Hello all...

I have a couple questions about the cloaking and shadowing of the drone.

1. Wouldn't the drone have to bend light around it as to not cast a shadow onto the ground? It wouldn't make sense to be invisible to the naked eye and still cast a shadow for everyone to see. This also goes for any other larger craft that Isaac said might be "suddenly appearing in the sky".

2. Also, for the "missing shadow" theory, Isaac said that there is "the seemingly impenetrable field, of controllable diameter and attenuation, surrounding the craft". Isn't it possible that the "field" might bounce sunlight around somewhat, and eliminate that missing shadow?

If you can't tell, I believe that the sightings, along with Isaac's account and the CARET docs, are real and very exciting. I'm not a CGI expert, but these drones have a "real" feeling to them that CGI cannot reproduce!

Thanks for your time!
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« Reply #1468 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 10:19am »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 09:48am, newtothis wrote:
Hello all...

I have a couple questions about the cloaking and shadowing of the drone.

1. Wouldn't the drone have to bend light around it as to not cast a shadow onto the ground? It wouldn't make sense to be invisible to the naked eye and still cast a shadow for everyone to see. This also goes for any other larger craft that Isaac said might be "suddenly appearing in the sky".

2. Also, for the "missing shadow" theory, Isaac said that there is "the seemingly impenetrable field, of controllable diameter and attenuation, surrounding the craft". Isn't it possible that the "field" might bounce sunlight around somewhat, and eliminate that missing shadow?



Hey Newt,

I think it is possible that the drone does bend light around itself. It may also be projecting it's own light. So instead of casting a shadow, it projects a copy of the sunlight that is being blocked. I guess the end result basically the same. The difference may be in the method used. Because the craft has control of gravity and inertial forces it should also be able to bend light. This scientific concept of gravity bending light was proved long ago.

So in my estimation the craft either bends light with it's gravity controls your uses a system of 3-d projectors to simulate it.

BTW, what missing shadow?
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« Reply #1469 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 10:25am »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 10:19am, Latitude wrote:
So in my estimation the craft either bends light with it's gravity controls your uses a system of 3-d projectors to simulate it.

BTW, what missing shadow?


The PACL documents did state that the anti-gravity generator (the A-1) had a 3-d hollographic projector.

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my bad -- I re-read it -- the PACL Q486 report on
3. Executive Summary of Q4 86
it lists the anti gravity device separate from point #2
Three-dimensional image recorder/projector.

So, the anti gravity generator is not necessarily also the three-D projector. That could very well be a separate device of which pictures are not included in Isaac's documents.
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